Farniok bumps NU....
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Nebraska has consistently had the "best in the West" for the last 4 or 5 years. But that's meaningless when you have fewer scholarship linebackers or safeties than the rest of the division.
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Lol. Your last sentence is false, unless preceded by "as long as so and so is coaching, and we run so and so scheme on offense and defense"
The fun part...will be next class...when the early commits are big dogs and the late commits are big dogs...Top 15 this year and (going out on a limb here) top 2 in the Big Ten next year.
Come on, Beav. 99.9 % of this board knew it would take some time to get this thing turned around. Nobody projected the playoffs in 2018. Nobody. Everyone also knows that to get to that level we need consistent top 20 recruiting classes. But in year one we are going to log a very strong class despite a rough season and 2017 is looking very promising. Most of the reactionary posts from folks like me are coming because we had a bunch of negative jerks on here for two months starting a post once a day suggesting that our staff was incompetent. It was ******** then and it's clear as day now.
So why are you ripping those guys who complained about recruiting in the second quarter? Again the message in my book should be patience and let's see how we stack up at the end. And don't call me a negative Nellie because that is exactly what I said when we were #43.
I'm ripping those guys (as are many others here... Not sure why singling me out) because, like Archie said a few posts ago, in a reactionary way to those who were relentlessly banging the drum about how bad the coaches were in recruiting. In no way was it directed at you because you did say MANY times to be patient. But the finish line is in sight and it appears that what so many were complaining about has proven to be a load of crap. Of course we need to finish it off with a few more big ones before Wednesday, but I am confident at this point that we will.
At the end of the day, I honestly dont care where we end up landing on the rankings.
What matters is this staff is evaluating kids, finding their targets, and going out and landing them. Also, this staff has an organized plan so when we miss out on option A (which will always happen to a certain degree, its the nature of the beast) we are OK because we have an option B or C that we have been working on and its not just a mad dash to grab a body late in the recruiting process. That's how I felt the last staff tended to do.
That's what has me excited.
What matters is this staff is evaluating kids, finding their targets, and going out and landing them. Also, this staff has an organized plan so when we miss out on option A (which will always happen to a certain degree, its the nature of the beast) we are OK because we have an option B or C that we have been working on and its not just a mad dash to grab a body late in the recruiting process. That's how I felt the last staff tended to do.
That's what has me excited.
You get singled out when you single out others. There isn't one Nebraska fan that isn't happy about picking an alleged high profile recruit. That is a fact. Some people buy into it more than others. Stop polarizing this issue (altho it is what this board is best at so it really is no surprise to see). Who would've guessed they could look here today and see a bunch of these comments from the usual suspects (sarcasm). Some of you really enjoy this crap (the I told you so...not my kind of people b/c you're the same hypocrites in the next sentence to tell others to act like you've been there before when you clearly can't yourself). The facts are: Recruiting and coaching matter and you need both to be successful. Anybody disagree with that?
I'm grateful that our coach's hard work paid off. I hope that trend continues. I'm hopeful we will increase our team talent (while also fully recognizing that stars doesn't ensure success). It was clear as day that this board's opinion changed drastically of having multiple scholarships open a few weeks before signing in comparison to the past few years. It's also clear as day that there are still some here hatcheting some of our current coaches on effort (just like before).
No problem with feeling good about the "stars" but I personally feel good when we win the things that matter (ahem...the actual games).
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I'm grateful that our coach's hard work paid off. I hope that trend continues. I'm hopeful we will increase our team talent (while also fully recognizing that stars doesn't ensure success). It was clear as day that this board's opinion changed drastically of having multiple scholarships open a few weeks before signing in comparison to the past few years. It's also clear as day that there are still some here hatcheting some of our current coaches on effort (just like before).
No problem with feeling good about the "stars" but I personally feel good when we win the things that matter (ahem...the actual games).
GBR
Well duh. We all want to win games. But it's pretty much proven you have a much higher probability of winning those games with a highly ranked recruiting class.
You're really, really wanting to run with this. You can do as you choose. I'll say it again, the OP put forth a challenge, line up, pay your respects, and eat crow. I'm waiting until this class is in the books.
Were you one of those preaching patience? Serious question as I don't remember. I felt like a broken record thread after thread saying "wait til signing day." It was frustrating and draining doing that over and over.
I have no problem with you waiting til this class is in the books, but for those who want to celebrate a little, maybe you shouldn't preach to us to wait until signing day. That's all I'm saying.
I am very happy that the recruiting has picked up and ending strong, it's great to see! I enjoy watching relevant football being played in Lincoln in late November/early December and prior to the playoffs going to bowls against good teams.
Despite my skepticism, a top 20 recruiting class would give me a lot of hope of better days ahead. Coming off a 6-7 season and not having a non-kicker commit in over 2 months, I was concerned that the poor record had snowballed into recruiting.
I am very happy the staff is proving me wrong on the recruiting trail and hope they can close strong. I would like nothing more than the hope of better days ahead with a really good class despite the bad record. If they can get a top 20 class with this record, how much better can they get when they're winning? That is the hope I can look forward to.
So finish strong and prove us skeptics wrong!
Despite my skepticism, a top 20 recruiting class would give me a lot of hope of better days ahead. Coming off a 6-7 season and not having a non-kicker commit in over 2 months, I was concerned that the poor record had snowballed into recruiting.
I am very happy the staff is proving me wrong on the recruiting trail and hope they can close strong. I would like nothing more than the hope of better days ahead with a really good class despite the bad record. If they can get a top 20 class with this record, how much better can they get when they're winning? That is the hope I can look forward to.
So finish strong and prove us skeptics wrong!
Patience is great and so is optimism. I equate it to early in the second quarter and NU is down. There are mainly two types of reactions. 1) That's it, it's over, we are going to lose. Or 2) We got this, we can win.
Some people choose a positive outlook on things and some a negative. Honestly I have lived both mentalities in my life and I have to say, one is much more enjoyable.
So instead of this pissing match on who is right or wrong on this recruiting cycle, how about everyone enjoy the moment that we just scored by adding great recruit.
Once again, human nature takes over..... There is a big bravado need to be right about something. So it is easy in this environment to spout off and make bold statements, no matter how crazy, so you can come back later and brag saying I told you so.
Recruiting is always like this - you never know until the end where things are going to end up. So why get so worked up over, not one single person on here can do a darn thing about it. The next time will come when someone can't qualify or doesn't show up and then when they quit or never contribute. Relax and work on what we can control which darn sure isn't recruiting.
Recruiting is always like this - you never know until the end where things are going to end up. So why get so worked up over, not one single person on here can do a darn thing about it. The next time will come when someone can't qualify or doesn't show up and then when they quit or never contribute. Relax and work on what we can control which darn sure isn't recruiting.
I think it is encouraging that in year 1 we potentially bring in basically a similarly rated class as the best class in the previous years. I don't remember the exact numbers but its seems folks were saying Pelini's top class was anywhere from 14-17 by various services. If we end up in the Top 20 (say 18 or 19) at 6-7 and all the poo pooing that went around in the fan base (apparently the key issue for Mama Farniok was possible coaching stability here), you have to feel pretty decent about the future.
I don't think Nebraska is ever going to be Top 10 recruiting year in year out, but hovering around that Top 15 mark is going to be better than we've had in a while and a good first step into winning conference titles. We can worry about Natty's once we start laying those foundational bricks again.
I don't think Nebraska is ever going to be Top 10 recruiting year in year out, but hovering around that Top 15 mark is going to be better than we've had in a while and a good first step into winning conference titles. We can worry about Natty's once we start laying those foundational bricks again.
You know this gunk about someone being wrong and eating crow and all that crap is just that crap and for the record I have stated many times I was in favor of the coaches going after the better recruits whether or not they landed them.
But be honest here this is not how you want recruiting to go all the time. If we are coming down tot he last week to make a class then sometimes you are going to get burnt any staff could. I really do not think we see all these late recruits next year, I think it will be more balanced timing wise
I am happy they are getting some kids to sign and hope it keeps going but you guys blowing smoke on here about eating crow just make yourselves sound like you were insecure all along
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Do you need a tissue for your obvious tears, stemming from being angry that Nebraska is moving up?
ah The emoticon brigade just showed up where is your fearless leader?
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Don't mind me. I'm just happy to be relieved of all those insecure feelings I was having. RollingLaugh
Sno, I know you were in favor of coaches going after bigger players, even if it meant waiting.
And if future recruiting looks like this, then buckle up and enjoy the ride. Some years will be better than others, but one thing seems clear... These coaches seem well prepared and organized to hit more often than miss in recruiting.
But with so much negativity on this board prior to these recent commits, I gotta tell ya, I was beginning to worry. What if the sky is falling after all?
So yes, this is a relief, no question. At the same time, don't you think it's natural that since we are landing players we were hoping we would, those who weren't as cautious (using a nice word here...) might hear from those who thought it would happen this way? I wouldn't call it insecurity at all.
I'm not calling for people to eat crow, but I am saying pretty strongly that judging this class before it was completed has proven to be a bad idea...
Great job by the staff landing Farniok. But my concern has always been the size of the class, because Pelini often didn't fill his classes, and many guys didn't stick around. Right now we are at 19 and could lose Quayshon, which would put us at 18. That leaves us 5 days to fill about 25% of our class yet.
Their seems to be two DT's, which just decommited one from Michigan, and the other was: Chris Daniels, 250 Rivals, 4 *he hasn't surfaced as yet, amight be headed to Texas.
So yes, this is a relief, no question. At the same time, don't you think it's natural that since we are landing players we were hoping we would, those who weren't as cautious (using a nice word here...) might hear from those who thought it would happen this way? I wouldn't call it insecurity at all. - Honest answer and sorry I was not really singling you out for the eating crow post. I believe some of the people on here now saying " See I knew it all along you suckers" were only hoping and had no idea whether the class would together or not. So yes some of them were insecure and I think that is what is driving their "Eat crow" posts
I'm not calling for people to eat crow, but I am saying pretty strongly that judging this class before it was completed has proven to be a bad idea - I am in total agreement with that in fact we will not know for a couple of years if this is a good class. The things I was looking for this year was sales/closing skills and organization and effort and the coaches are doing well here overall. I was also looking for an overall sound recruiting strategy ie the 500 mile area and how we did there. I think the jury is still out there, some good and some not so good
I'm drunk in Cancun and love reading all of this! GBR!
Doubtful to hit 20 or better, 22-25 is more realistic. We really needed another R250 guy to hit 20 or better...
Lamar Jackson - 157 points
Dez Fitzpatrick - 126 points
Isaiah Simmons - 90 points
Chase Allen - 90 points
Total - 463 points
- Jackson takes us to 20 commits (Rivals caps out at 20), and a total of 1,756 points
- Fitzpatrick takes us to 1,882 points however, we would then subtract 45 points as Lightburn wouldn't count in our team ranking. Total of 1,837 points
- Simmons takes us to to 1,927 points however, we would then subtract 60 points as Bootle wouldn't count in our team ranking. Total of 1,867 points
- Allen takes us to 1,957 points however, we would then subtract 75 points as Wilson (or others) wouldn't count in our team ranking. Total of 1,883 points
2015 class = 1,883 points would be good enough for #22
2014 class = 1,883 points would be good enough for #23
2013 class = 1,883 points would be good enough for #21
I believe 2013 is when Rivals changed their formula
19 commits
- Jackson would be 20
- Fitzpatrick would be 21
- Simmons would be 22
- Allen, or another TE would be 23
There's a difference, no matter how someone tries to recreate history.
Simmons and Allen aren't exactly locks. Do you think we will end the class with 21, if we don't get either?
Didn't intend the post to mean they're locks, just showing the last four guys that are remaining. I think we're working on another TE, can't imagine we'd take another WR if Simmons doesn't sign with us. I believe Keyon Williams is a nice bonus and Simmons would be icing on the cake.
Unless the coaches have something up their sleeve that nobody knows about, it'll be 21-23 in this class.
What about Nehemiah Augustus?
https://sports.yahoo.com/usf/football/recruiting/player-Nehemiah-Augustus-160259
http://247sports.com/Player/Nehemiah-Augustus-76473
Looks like he may be a plan B?
So if 21 it won't be a full class, then?
Not trying to be a smart ***---I've never been able to understand how class numbers are decided, etc.
If those two are the next two to commit...and holding ALL other team's constant. Then that would move Nebraska up to #18 with 1,827 total team/class points.
Basically Jackson brings in 157 total points (120 for being a 5.9, and 37 bonus points for being ranked 76 overall).
Dez's raw points are 116 (105 for being a 5.8, and 11 bonus points for being ranked 208 overall)...BUT you have to remember that Rivals only counts the top 20 rated kids in each class...so if you add Jackson and THEN add Fitz, that puts NU at 21, so that kicks Lightbourn (lowest rated) out of the ratings to get to the top 20 kids...so in actuality Dez would bring in 116 - 45 (Lightbourn's points that you have to take out)...for a net addition of 71 points for Dez.
So realistically, to get us out of the 20s in team rankings and into the teens we need Lamar Jackson , FitzPatrick and somehow another 4 star kid?