Correct...Marshall and others conveniently forget we were losing most of our production regardless of the coach. 2026 was also going to be the transition from Allar Allen and Nick to the next era. It's not like we lost elite guys in the portal either.
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They definitely wereI’ve actually received many compliments over the years for having graduated from Penn State, and not from Penn Staters. Then again, those folks were probably shocked that I obtained a college degree once they got to know me.
The year OSU won the national championship, if we would have held on and beat them, they would have had three losses and not made the playoffs, so that would not have been considered a big win, just a win over OSU when they had a down year. That’s how it works on this board.
Should certain folks on this board change their expectations now that Franklin is gone? Should Campbell not be held to the same standard where 10-2 is not acceptable?
If you call every team a coach beats a cupcake, then no coach is going to succeed.
Franklin could have gone 9-3 this year after losing everyone we lost and I wouldn't have complained. 10-2 would have been great.
Honestly, people comprehend that the issue last year was Franklin spent the money to bring back everyone (including a QB that didn't fit his scheme) then not only lost to teams that were as good or better than us but he stopped beating teams that we should have been able to beat easily. That can't happen when you have the veteran team that we did.
This was going to be a rebuilding year with or without Franklin--that still means we're expected to win 9 games but we weren't a contender. Campbell will have much higher expectations come 2028.
This was going to be a rebuilding year with or without Franklin--that still means we're expected to win 9 games but we weren't a contender. Campbell will have much higher expectations come 2028.
Maybe--I believe there were always people that just hated Franklin to hate Franklin. He could have went 10-2 last year and won 2 playoff games and people would have wanted him out. I think "most" didn't want him out until the UCLA/Northwestern disaster that was completely unacceptable as he lost the team. Just like we have people like Marshall that would have defended him if he went 2-10. I think/hope most are in the realistic group even if they're frustrated during the games.
I get that, but if they’re going to hold Franklin to a certain standard, they should hold Campbell to the same standard.
Agreed--but that wasn't the standard Franklin was held to in his first season either.
Unless you're replacing an all-time great who left you in a perfect situation you aren't going to be expected to attend for titles in year 1
We were a 500 team last year. 9-3 is a big step forward.
Yes gloves off 28. This year is beers and cheerleaders (the girl ones)
Franklin was held to that standard in his first year by some, but he got a little more leeway due to sanctions. Campbell has more talent this year than he’s going to have next year, plus he’s playing all the teams Franklin was expected to beat every year, so 9-3 just doesn’t seem to cut it.
If you're not fine with 9-3 then you're comparable to one of the extremists that were unfairly holding Franklin to "that standard" in year one.
Sanctions had nothing to due with Franklin being given grace early on--almost every coach is.
And, yes, I said 2028 not 2027 is when the expectations skyrocket for him. Once 2028 hits any year we don't make the playoff is a failure--and in most years that won't be enough. Next year has 8 or 9 wins written all over it.
Perhaps they were looking for "Comprehensive Excellence?"I’ve actually received many compliments over the years for having graduated from Penn State, and not from Penn Staters. Then again, those folks were probably shocked that I obtained a college degree once they got to know me.
Not that I'm shopping....but IMO, since cheer has become more gymnastics and stunt orientated, it seems that cheerleaders are more "athletic."
It's interesting that no one here wants to address PSU's football record in the 150 games before Franklin arrived. But "We deserve better."
Paterno was washed up and wouldn't leave putting the entire program in a bad state that O'Brien was tasked with fixing because the job wasn't sought after--he left for multiple reasons--then Franklin came in and did a great job improving the program. I think ALMOST EVERYONE gives him credit for that--the problem was he hit his ceiling. Time to go--whether it works out or not we'll eventually find out but he had to go. Just like Richt had to go when Georgia moved on. Doesn't mean he's not a good coach--it was time. See the Steelers keeping Tomlin too long.
I still can’t figure out how to watch and post at the same time!
So you expect James Franklin to be Joe Paterno???? Seriously???? Realistic expectations much????
Franklin didn't need to be Paterno in his prime but needed to be better than he was during his final couple seasons vs elite teams
I was always fine with 9-3 or 10-2, I’m just trying to stay consistent with the board now that we have a new coach.
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That's cool too--but having the same expectations in year one of a regime as you had for Franklin last year doesn't seem logical
I'm confused (probably may fault)--did you not say you're always fine with 9 or 10 wins and that's the same for Campbell as it was with Franklin? Wouldn't Franklin have higher expectations last year given not only his tenure but coming off a semifinal run with most of the team returning?
No, I was always fine with 9 or 10 wins, especially 10. I don’t go into seasons thinking my expectations make a bit of difference…I enjoy every win and hate every loss…I’ve been a PSU fan long enough to realize that we haven’t been the dominant football program for years that some on here think we are.
Regardless of whether or not your expectations change things (you're right they don't) we all have them
I never said we have been a dominant program for years--what does that have to do with my comments?
I don't understand what's happening here
Franklin did a great job building a program and crashed and burned last year after the loss to Oregon which is why he was fired and deservedly so--now, Campbell comes in to a 2026 team that wasn't going to be good regardless of who was the coach. Last year, our start to the season wasn't acceptable. If Franklin would have won 10 games last year and a playoff game then went 8-4 this year I'd have been fine with that. Not every team is the same--there's different expectations each year--especially when you bring everyone back and make the comments he did.
But whatever--you're just rambling here and changing the discussion to something not being discussed.
No, but I expect better than 4-21 against top 10 teams. That is not unrealistic for this program. I expect good clock management, good roster management, and not going into every game against good teams expecting the coach and team to shlt the bed. None of that is unrealistic.
Franklin fanboy much????
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