That is what always blows my mind with those clowns. They act as if they are/were good friends with Roy and Dean and make it sound as if those guys told them that s**t directly. He knows, without question, what great human beings they are/were and that they would not have coached Team USA for more than one Olympics in the interest of fairness. Got it. Just amazing, what can you even say.....
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That is what always blows my mind with those clowns. They act as if they are/were good friends with Roy and Dean and make it sound as if those guys told them that s**t directly. He knows, without question, what great human beings they are/were and that they would not have coached Team USA for more than one Olympics in the interest of fairness. Got it. Just amazing, what can you even say.....
They all understand how great Dean was and Roy is, while also having the ability to know for certain how much of a despicable human being K has been his whole life. They talk to many people on the inside who know as much.
And arguably the funniest part is, that if you talk to nearly anyone that has ever met K, they say the polar opposite about him that THR people say. And i mean people who have actually met him, not i know a guy who knows a guy who met a guy.
I agree. That's why you don't see me running K's name through the mud other than a light-hearted joke here and there. But what else are rival fans gonna say? I liken their character assassination of K to everyone here making fun of Roy's coaching ability. I'm pretty sure if you asked anyone that's coached with or against Roy, they'd say the man knows how to coach.
While I find both THR's opinion of K and y'all's opinion of Roy pretty ridiculous, I can't say it surprises me. It's what fans do.
That's an issue that has been argued ad nauseum here. The difference is no one here, outside of maybe the occasional troll, is openly bashing Roy's character. If you want to "poke fun" at his coaching style- that's called being a fan. When you're openly saying you despise the man's character, calling him a selfish SOB, the devil etc. I think that's taking it a bit far for you know, a college basketball coach.
Still the same principle. There isn't a sole poaster at this board that's even in the same ballpark as Roy as far as coaching basketball goes. But that doesn't stop many from making absurd claims that the man couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag.
Sure, the attacks on K's character are uglier, but no less inaccurate.
So calling someone the devil is on the same level of inaccuracy as saying someone can't coach. Got it. Thanks for the clarification.
Yes. Coach is K is presumably not the devil. Roy is not a bad basketball coach. Those two statements are both inaccurate. Those statements don't lend themselves to levels of inaccuracy. They're both either right or wrong.
I already acknowledged that character assassination is uglier. But that's irrelevant when discussing the accuracy of the poasts.
BTW, nice avatar.
But you act like the two can be discussed in the same context. They cant. Character assassination is not the same as an opinion on someones coaching ability.
I am not sure the two situations parallel each other at all. An attack on ones character, without actually knowing the person is much different than calling in to question a coaches ability based on what they see in the games. Two different things.
For the record, I think the attempts to make Roy out to be a bad coach are foolish. Not as foolish as a bunch of ignorant opposing fans character assassinations of K, but still foolish IMO.
I am not sure the two situations parallel each other at all. An attack on ones character, without actually knowing the person is much different than calling in to question a coaches ability based on what they see in the games. Two different things.
For the record, I think the attempts to make Roy out to be a bad coach are foolish. Not as foolish as a bunch of ignorant opposing fans character assassinations of K, but still foolish IMO.
Sure it is. If Archer has the opinion that K is a jerk - it's probably wrong based on the overwhelming evidence from others that he's not. Just like if you have the opinion Roy can't coach, you're wrong based on the overwhelming evidence of his 800 games won, his winning percentage of 75%+ and his 2 national titles and multiple FFs.
But this is a ridiculous discussion. I was simply pointing out that ridiculous comments come from both fan bases. Who cares? If you want to call Roy the devil, I doubt I'm going to cry about it.
Ok. We'll compromise here with your statement. I can get on board with this. Thank you.
Wrong. But nice try. Having an opinion on someone's game strategy is quite different than the constant character assassination that goes on at THR. Hell, half the posters on that site question Roy each and every game.
And lets not get into him coaching in the Big 8 for all those years.
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What? Joking about banana pudding and Roy's inability to call timeouts isn't the same thing as yucking it up about killing Coach K?
This.
But you're not qualified to speak to Roy's coaching ability. If you were, you'd be coaching D1 ball and not opining on a message board.
True. And I'll say the same thing to them. They're not qualified to question Roy. Even when I've done it, it's absurd...and I'm brilliant.
Well since Roy is a bad coach and padded his numbers in the Big 8, then I guess you'd have to say that K's numbers are at least a bit inflated because he's gotten some of his wins against the terrible coach, Roy. Right?
By that same token, none of us should be allowed to talk about college basketball because we have never been college basketball players. I guess someone should let Rivals know so that they could shut down the messageboards. Silly us!
Still amazed you feel entitled to police topics on this particular messageboard.
@Archer2 must not remember the results George Karl and Larry Brown had. Either that, or they must not be as good as Seth Greenberg:
The LOM gets so much credit for leading us to the Gold when none of the other teams have talent that even approaches the talent of our team. Seth Greenberg could coach our team to the Gold.
I wonder if Little Richard is going to tell him he's not qualified to speak to Coach K's international coaching ability since Archer has never coached in the Olympics?
The LOM gets so much credit for leading us to the Gold when none of the other teams have talent that even approaches the talent of our team. Seth Greenberg could coach our team to the Gold.
I wonder if Little Richard is going to tell him he's not qualified to speak to Coach K's international coaching ability since Archer has never coached in the Olympics?
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What a POS cop out response. You are just a typical smart *** uncheat fan. Surprised they still let you on this board. And who made you boss or the know it all who decides who can question who's coaching?
Well these people certainly are qualified to speak on Huck Roy's coaching ability, and they agree. He is a terrible coach.
http://www.slamonline.com/college-h...verrated-coaches-in-ncaa/#4CfZfiQ6MAIS4ZSo.97
To be fair, most of the best players at the time didn't play for various reasons. There are very good international teams out there. They are sometimes overlooked because of the overwhelming talent that the US has.
I think you can give some credit to K, so I disagree with that. As far as Seth goes, he wouldn't be my first choice for a youth league team.
Every single one of our players in 2004 was an NBA player. No other country in that tournament could say that. And yet we still lost. While some elite players chose not to participate, we were still the most stacked team up and down. That fact gets overlooked a lot when people want to rationalize how easy they believe Coach K has it leading Team USA to all the gold medals we've won since he has come on as coach.
Just some, huh?
This we can agree on.
Mark I think where K and Colangelo equally should get credit is that because of the debacle of 2004 we've built an actual program. Yes we had all NBA players for 2004, but the problem was that it was just kind of thrown together. There was no loyalty or passion and there was certainly no cohesiveness and you just randomly throw a coach on there and say here you go. The International teams have played together for years and have a huge sense of pride playing for their country. Not saying that our guys didn't, but certainly no where near what it is today and what those int'l teams we were playing were like.
K and Colangelo built the program because of all that. That's where the credit really comes in. The fact that they have done this and have built a pipeline should allow us to continue to dominate for years and years to come, AS WE SHOULD. In the words of Doug Collins- we should win every game because we have the best players and we have the best coaches- if we match the other teams passion and energy we wont lose. And he's absolutely right.
Yes, just some. I'm of the thought that players should get some credit too. Neither the coach or the players should get all of the credit/blame.
That's what I was trying to get at with my post. I guess I should have done a better job of explaining it in detail. The pipeline has certainly improved which is an often overlooked aspect.
Who tried to give Coach K all of the credit? That would be almost as ridiculous as saying he doesn't deserve any credit.
Agreed, and the idea for the pipeline came from Coach K and Colangelo.
Well, these people (mind you, ones that matter) would suggest Roy is a good coach. Unless of course they let terrible coaches into the Hall of Fame.
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/tag/roy-williams
Or, by that same token, anyone who's ever been around a jerk could form the opinion that someone else is a jerk.
By now I thought you'd be used to it.
Mods please do not lock this thread . If it gets too out of hand someone needs to go home. Just like guest in your home they are not to stay forever. OFC
This isn't the same thing as your saying nobody can criticize Roy Williams if he/she isn't a D1 coach. Weak deflection from your preposterous initial assertion.
Can't remember if I posted this one from Archer or not. More of the rationalizing as to why they don't get elite recruits. This guy is just too much.
"And you're certainly entitled to it. We've discussed this many times on this board. If you really are interested in our opinions on this topic, you need only go back and read them. In a nutshell, my opinion is this. Yes, Roy recruits potential OAD's. But he isn't going to build his team around them or feature them to the extent that they want. So he knows he isn't going to sign very many of them. As I said, we've had exactly 2 OAD's in UNC history. One was a role player and the other didn't even start. That doesn't match your typical OAD's expectations. I've been saying for 4 years that our failure to sign OAD's had very little to do with the NCAA investigation and was mostly due to Roy's old fashioned approach to team building. I certainly don't expect it to change much now that the investigation is over. Clear enough?
If you like the LOM's strategy, fine. Embrace it. I prefer Roy's approach. As I said, when we have back to back OAD's, get back to me. Until that very unlikely day, we'll agree to disagree. That will save a lot of wasted talk on both of our parts."
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"And you're certainly entitled to it. We've discussed this many times on this board. If you really are interested in our opinions on this topic, you need only go back and read them. In a nutshell, my opinion is this. Yes, Roy recruits potential OAD's. But he isn't going to build his team around them or feature them to the extent that they want. So he knows he isn't going to sign very many of them. As I said, we've had exactly 2 OAD's in UNC history. One was a role player and the other didn't even start. That doesn't match your typical OAD's expectations. I've been saying for 4 years that our failure to sign OAD's had very little to do with the NCAA investigation and was mostly due to Roy's old fashioned approach to team building. I certainly don't expect it to change much now that the investigation is over. Clear enough?
If you like the LOM's strategy, fine. Embrace it. I prefer Roy's approach. As I said, when we have back to back OAD's, get back to me. Until that very unlikely day, we'll agree to disagree. That will save a lot of wasted talk on both of our parts."
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Is that because his system is so complex?
Interesting strategy recruiting kids he apparently knows he isn't going to sign. I guess that's just Roy outworking everyone else as usual.
How rich is this? Some guy that goes by "viking131" whining about claytondevil making a few comments over there. After this POAST mikey is bragging about how he already "took out the trash" and Archer, gary and the boys are all internet high fiving him. What a crew of misfits over there.
"Cant believe how this dude comes over here talking..., and the mods want do anything. Go on a Dook board and try it, and we get blocked immediately!"
"Cant believe how this dude comes over here talking..., and the mods want do anything. Go on a Dook board and try it, and we get blocked immediately!"
Didn't say he is a BAD recruiter, just that he isn't getting the elite recruits. And I do find it quite humorous the way dolts such as Archer, gary and the crew over there always try and rationalize the reason why Ole Roy doesn't get them. And you're going to question my intelligence? Please. I'm sure I come off as barely being able to type a complete sentence.
Your words, not mine.
It still begs the question - if Roy isn't getting elite recruits yet can compete with teams that do, he must know a thing about coaching basketball. No?