I 1000% agree with this. I have had many a cordial back and forth with some Tar Heel fans that do not sound ignorant or spew any of the hatred that some of those idiots do.
Favorite THR Quotes....
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The next coach at UNC. Gary-7. He's got the answer. OFC
@TarHeelNation11, @UNC '92, and @coolwaterunc kudos on calling out his nonsense. Ya'll should post over here from time to time since you all seem very reasonable.
Some gems from @DSouthr about a month and half back....the best part? All in the same thread. It's hard to even pick a favorite from this list.
#1
"So, you didn't want to be a post player, so you comitt to duke because K promises ya and crosses his lil ole ratty heart that you can be a 2 guard? Well hows that working out for ya now Brandan? Roy tells you the truth but it was a truth you didn't want to hear, K tells you the lie you wanted to hear and you bit that hook line & sinker!
Enjoy your soph college season...well then again, maybe don't ! LOL"
#2
"#2 pick in what? There is zero chance anyone wastes a #2 NBA draft pick on him, he at best maybe end of the lotto and that would be based on perceived potential.
But tell me tru, do ya love him as a 2 guard? How often has he played at the 2 for your dukies tru, as he was promised? He is a stretch 4 at best, one day maybe his body matures to be able to play out front but he is not anywhere close to that right now. That is what EVERY coach should have told him, it is what Roy told him..."
#3
"Ken, you know darn well, if YOU are a NBA GM there is no freakin way you waste a first round pick on him! By the time he finally gets to the point of being able to help a team he will be out of his rookie contract and most likely leaving the team that drafts him.
That to me is the joke with all this draft on nothing but potential, when they finally get to the point they can help your team win they leave town and sign with another team?"
#4
"I have said all along, Ingram to me is John Henson as a freshman, maybe a bit better jump shooter but like Henson, he is a 4 that needs to fill out before you can really see what is there. Any team, I mean ANY NBA willing to risk a 1st round pick on him in the next draft, at least as of right now, needs to FIRE the GM that made such a poor decision."
#5
"You had dukies out there claiming the kid could play the point in a pinch, don't get your memory all selective now that you, we, and anyone else with eyes can see he isn't. Yeah, K sold PT, he sold OUT FRONT PT, not in the paint PT."
#6
"I am VERY good at selecting my own words dukie, I really do not require you to try to select my words for me. I never stated that Ochafor would not start for UNC, I stated that Roy would not force the starting of a freshman just to show that he caters to freshmen, learn to read dude. Now I did say in a thread a good while back that it was not certain that Ochafor would have started day 1 when we had an experienced Meeks and I added at the same time that IMO he would have started in to the season. But I guess your reading skills have not developed to the point of being able to read and comprehend that either."
#1
"So, you didn't want to be a post player, so you comitt to duke because K promises ya and crosses his lil ole ratty heart that you can be a 2 guard? Well hows that working out for ya now Brandan? Roy tells you the truth but it was a truth you didn't want to hear, K tells you the lie you wanted to hear and you bit that hook line & sinker!
Enjoy your soph college season...well then again, maybe don't ! LOL"
#2
"#2 pick in what? There is zero chance anyone wastes a #2 NBA draft pick on him, he at best maybe end of the lotto and that would be based on perceived potential.
But tell me tru, do ya love him as a 2 guard? How often has he played at the 2 for your dukies tru, as he was promised? He is a stretch 4 at best, one day maybe his body matures to be able to play out front but he is not anywhere close to that right now. That is what EVERY coach should have told him, it is what Roy told him..."
#3
"Ken, you know darn well, if YOU are a NBA GM there is no freakin way you waste a first round pick on him! By the time he finally gets to the point of being able to help a team he will be out of his rookie contract and most likely leaving the team that drafts him.
That to me is the joke with all this draft on nothing but potential, when they finally get to the point they can help your team win they leave town and sign with another team?"
#4
"I have said all along, Ingram to me is John Henson as a freshman, maybe a bit better jump shooter but like Henson, he is a 4 that needs to fill out before you can really see what is there. Any team, I mean ANY NBA willing to risk a 1st round pick on him in the next draft, at least as of right now, needs to FIRE the GM that made such a poor decision."
#5
"You had dukies out there claiming the kid could play the point in a pinch, don't get your memory all selective now that you, we, and anyone else with eyes can see he isn't. Yeah, K sold PT, he sold OUT FRONT PT, not in the paint PT."
#6
"I am VERY good at selecting my own words dukie, I really do not require you to try to select my words for me. I never stated that Ochafor would not start for UNC, I stated that Roy would not force the starting of a freshman just to show that he caters to freshmen, learn to read dude. Now I did say in a thread a good while back that it was not certain that Ochafor would have started day 1 when we had an experienced Meeks and I added at the same time that IMO he would have started in to the season. But I guess your reading skills have not developed to the point of being able to read and comprehend that either."
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I like the Ingram thread. GSD keeps trying to tell everyone how soft Ingram is. The posters over there are saying they actually watch him and it's not the case. He remains defiant.
GSD is becoming one of the most delusional fans over at THR. I guess with how bad UNC has been playing over the last 3-4 seasons he decided to just completely throw logic out the window.
Or how Duke is playing. He was a pretty regular cordial poster over here especially during the 2008-09 season until Duke won the 2010 title and his countenance changed. OFC
He's a biased lunatic, and that's all there is to it. Like I said on another thread, love all this in-fighting. We're also seeing some very rational posters emerge on that site to counter the homers and idiots over there.
He set the tone in #1, but he really started hitting his stride in posts 3-4, then 5 is potentially my favorite.
They went from Sophomore Meeks is better than anytbing Duke to not wanting him to play at all.
gary keeps claiming he has inside info but ALL his inside info is the same thing just packaged differently.
Then the idiots thank him for the insight lol I hope UNC gets hit hard just to show he knows nothin .. I'm sure he'll twist it somehow tho.....
Then the idiots thank him for the insight lol I hope UNC gets hit hard just to show he knows nothin .. I'm sure he'll twist it somehow tho.....
The discussion of negative recruiting in that thread is just priceless. Two posts in particular:
Tigertown: "I just don't think that "Negative Recruting" seems to be Roy Williams' style....Besides, why does Carolina need to spread negative garbage to recruit anybody to play basketball in Chapel Hill?....I know other schools do it, but that doesn't mean that Carolina resorts to using those same kind of recruiting tactics, nor should they?"
- Yeah, I'm sure a team that took advantage of fake classes to keep athletes eligible for close to two decades wouldn't sully its reputation with negative recruiting.
Gary - "Sorry but no, that's one of those easy cliches that whitewashes the culprits. Negative recruiting may be common --- more common than it used to be perhaps --- but it is not universal. Dean Smith did not do it and I have never heard of Roy or his staff doing it either. And trust me, that stuff makes it through the grapevine."
- Gotcha. Negative recruiting doesn't happen everywhere, but rampant institution-supported cheating does? The latter has been the consistent defense of just about every Tar Heel sympathizer. What a joke. Almost as big of a joke as Gary insinuating he actually has inside information about anything.
Tigertown: "I just don't think that "Negative Recruting" seems to be Roy Williams' style....Besides, why does Carolina need to spread negative garbage to recruit anybody to play basketball in Chapel Hill?....I know other schools do it, but that doesn't mean that Carolina resorts to using those same kind of recruiting tactics, nor should they?"
- Yeah, I'm sure a team that took advantage of fake classes to keep athletes eligible for close to two decades wouldn't sully its reputation with negative recruiting.
Gary - "Sorry but no, that's one of those easy cliches that whitewashes the culprits. Negative recruiting may be common --- more common than it used to be perhaps --- but it is not universal. Dean Smith did not do it and I have never heard of Roy or his staff doing it either. And trust me, that stuff makes it through the grapevine."
- Gotcha. Negative recruiting doesn't happen everywhere, but rampant institution-supported cheating does? The latter has been the consistent defense of just about every Tar Heel sympathizer. What a joke. Almost as big of a joke as Gary insinuating he actually has inside information about anything.
As much as the insanely idiotic stuff Gary says amuses me, the fact that some people treat it like gold might crack me up even more.
The delusion and denial is stunning. It was ALL on the girl's bball team, the men's team was not part of it at all!!! Lol.
Dean and Roy were/are too classy to negative recruit. Lollll!!! And these idiots say it as fact, as though they sit in on the coaches' visits with the recruits. Just hilarious.
A very nice addition from steat today.. So add two good players and you make it one more round? What? Lol and that roster for next year is quite impressive
"The Heels are one 5-star wing and one solid big (for 2016 season) from making the Elite 8 for the next 5 years. On the other hand, a starting line-up with Berry, Williams, Pinson, Hicks is a Sweet 16 entry, at worst."
"The Heels are one 5-star wing and one solid big (for 2016 season) from making the Elite 8 for the next 5 years. On the other hand, a starting line-up with Berry, Williams, Pinson, Hicks is a Sweet 16 entry, at worst."
Another one here from OzHeel
Thanks for the OP Gary, always appreciate any info from close to/within the program and as always, take it for what it's worth without judging the source.
Thanks for the OP Gary, always appreciate any info from close to/within the program and as always, take it for what it's worth without judging the source.
I actually applaud cory for bringing some common sense to that thread, although DSuckr and Gary have been trying to shout him down. I love the messages about how DSuckr can sell and has spent his whole life selling.
A very nice addition from steat today.. So add two good players and you make it one more round? What? Lol and that roster for next year is quite impressive
"The Heels are one 5-star wing and one solid big (for 2016 season) from making the Elite 8 for the next 5 years. On the other hand, a starting line-up with Berry, Williams, Pinson, Hicks is a Sweet 16 entry, at worst."
The NIT sweet 16? If they are banking that those 4 along with a Center (whoever it may be) are going to lead them to the NCAA sweet 16 with Ol Roy Williams coaching them up then they are more delusional then I every realized!
DSouth with a real headscatcher in that thread:
My understanding is that Roy nor anyone on his staff knew about the AFAM stuff but that Roy maybe thru his friend felt something may not be just right about so many players being in the AFAM classes and began advising his players that maybe a different major would be better for them. I do strongly believe for reason that had Roy known what actually was going on in the AFAM program that he would have reported it to the AD and chancellor and that UNC would have self reported this to the NCAA.
Roy, for all his faults, does not run a dirty program, he will walk away from dirt even if it means he has to lose a kid he wants really badly to a rival program. Roy is not nor has he ever been a win at all cost coach, nor was Dean. Dean taught Roy (and it was one of the things Roy actually learned and incorperated LOL) that you are only really winning when you win the right way, cheating is not winning even thou many do take home trophys for it, if you can not win the right way then you will never truely win. It was more important to Dean than anything and it is as important to Roy that they teach those kids that you may be able to cheat and win in a game but in life, you cheat and you lose in the end. Dean was a teacher even more than a coach, Roy is similar in that respect.
Look at John Wooden, great coach and wonderful teacher of the game but for all the amazing things he achieved, his legacy will forever be tarnished by having players that were bought and paid for by boosters...
So, the AFAM thing up and created itself under Dean's watch? Interesting.
And my hope is when it's all said and done, that Roy goes down as the biggest cheater in NCAA history.
Roy is above the fray because he learned from the guy who all this AFAM stuff started under? Interesting logic....
I liked this one from Archer. I question its veracity. He was defending AFAM.
"I have a friend who has been teaching in the Sociology department at Duke for many years. She has taught a ton of football and basketball players during their tenure. She said quite a few were illiterate, for all practical purposes. She also states that she doubts most could have maintained eligibility in any other major and that not 10% of them could have been admitted were they not athletes in a major sport.
Not going to provide her name or the names of some of the examples she gave, for obvious reasons. So take it for what it's worth. Just sayin' Sociology is Duke's AFAM studies equivalent."
"I have a friend who has been teaching in the Sociology department at Duke for many years. She has taught a ton of football and basketball players during their tenure. She said quite a few were illiterate, for all practical purposes. She also states that she doubts most could have maintained eligibility in any other major and that not 10% of them could have been admitted were they not athletes in a major sport.
Not going to provide her name or the names of some of the examples she gave, for obvious reasons. So take it for what it's worth. Just sayin' Sociology is Duke's AFAM studies equivalent."
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So an athlete gets admitted for special reasons outside of academics huh? Well color me blown away. Athletics, special talents, and other factors all come into play when you're admitting anyone, not just academics. However if you do not have something exceptional as those, you better damn well be an extraordinary to say the least student.
Well, I stopped reading at, "I have a friend..."; he has friends?
Last year I looked up the team on goduke.com and it had their majors. The only Sociology major was Rasheed. Everyone else had a major in something else. I know there have been several Duke players over the years to major in it, but it's a real major, not a made up one.
Keyser with an ironic laugher. His fixation with Lance is really hilarious.
"david, myself and others have accurately portrayed the NCAA and its predicament. They will hammer us with LOIC and there will be some punishment, especially to women's BBall.
There is that "media narrative" that will stay out there for a LONG time The shallow know nothings, like the dookies woofies etc, lazy media types , and Carolina HATERS out there will continue to use that narrative as long as they can. The best antidote to this is to IGNORE them .There is NO way you can win any discussion with these dim bulbs. It is HOPELESS to argue facts etc
An exception is the dookies.... I use and will ALWAYS use the Lance Thomas attack and I will REMIND these cover up clowns of the massive skeleton in THEIR closet that continues to be covered up 6 years after the fact."
"david, myself and others have accurately portrayed the NCAA and its predicament. They will hammer us with LOIC and there will be some punishment, especially to women's BBall.
There is that "media narrative" that will stay out there for a LONG time The shallow know nothings, like the dookies woofies etc, lazy media types , and Carolina HATERS out there will continue to use that narrative as long as they can. The best antidote to this is to IGNORE them .There is NO way you can win any discussion with these dim bulbs. It is HOPELESS to argue facts etc
An exception is the dookies.... I use and will ALWAYS use the Lance Thomas attack and I will REMIND these cover up clowns of the massive skeleton in THEIR closet that continues to be covered up 6 years after the fact."
Duke does not offer an undergraduate business degree. There is a certificate program in Sociology that serves as the closest thing to a business major. End of story. Carolina sucks.