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Midnighter

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Excellent stuff from TFrank, Nate, and Sean. Some stuff in here I wasn’t aware of including that Knowles* interviewed (IIRC) for the Oklahoma State HC job before the Oregon game, and really good detail and insight on Franklin’s approach to paying players and using the portal (which goes toward him rewarding loyalty over potential). Seems like he wasn’t willing to bet heavy on new talent and instead wanted to make safer investments/bets. Think that may have been at odds with Kraft, who has more of a high risk/high reward approach.

*not yet confirmed.

 
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Midnighter said:
Some stuff in here I wasn’t aware of including that Knowles interviewed (IIRC) for the Oklahoma State HC job before the Oregon game
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Assuming this was widely known throughout the program, it certainly could have been a distraction. More mid-season horse-a$$. 😞
 
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JWB389 said:
He was jumping off the sinking ship.
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That's just incredible, but the defense actually played very well in the Oregon game. However, it's just another example about how disjointed this season has been from the very start. In hindsight, it would've been better for most of the vets to have departed and for the young players to take over and maybe have a season like Michigan and Washington had last season.
 
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BobPSU92 said:
Assuming this was widely known throughout the program, it certainly could have been a distraction. More mid-season horse-a$$. 😞
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Like so all that stuff he was growing up a PSU guy from philly is really not the case? I mean it would be one thing if you were say as long as 5-6 years and you want to be an HC, but come on on 4 games in and you are looking ? or was working for JF or Kraft is not what it was cracked up to be...if that's was the case maybe you stick it out and see if it opens up here and low and behold it did. For being a philly guy and all.
 
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NoSoup4U said:
Like so all that stuff he was growing up a PSU guy from philly is really not the case? I mean it would be one thing if you were say as long as 5-6 years and you want to be an HC but come on on 4 gams in and you are looking ? or was working for JF or Kraft is not what it was cracked up top be...if thats was the case maybe you stick it out and see if it opens up here and low and behold it did. For being a philly guy and all.
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PSUFTG said:
Alignment!!


(Its been said before :) But it bears repeating: "There are a lot of reasons OSU wasn't unhappy to see Knowles leave".... and PSU has, what, 30+ sports programs? Find me 5 coaches who truly like Kraft, and I'll see 5 coaches who haven't been here very long :) )
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Given his track record of coaches he has hired at his three AD jobs (Temple. BC, and now PSU) his coaching choses have been underwhelming. Maybe he'll surprise with this hire. It better not be Rhule.
 
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PSUFTG said:
Alignment!!


(Its been said before :) But it bears repeating: "There are a lot of reasons OSU wasn't unhappy to see Knowles leave".... and PSU has, what, 30+ sports programs? Find me 5 coaches who truly like Kraft, and I'll see 5 coaches who haven't been here very long :) )
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Let’s conserve words. Everything about Penn State sucks.

😞
 
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NoSoup4U said:
Like so all that stuff he was growing up a PSU guy from philly is really not the case? I mean it would be one thing if you were say as long as 5-6 years and you want to be an HC but come on on 4 gams in and you are looking ? or was working for JF or Kraft is not what it was cracked up top be...if thats was the case maybe you stick it out and see if it opens up here and low and behold it did. For being a philly guy and all.
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I guess he had to be given permission by Kraft? So much for loyalty. Well if a new coach comes in Knowles is gone.
 
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Midnighter said:
Excellent stuff from TFrank, Nate, and Sean. Some stuff in here I wasn’t aware of including that Knowles interviewed (IIRC) for the Oklahoma State HC job before the Oregon game, and really good detail and insight on Franklin’s approach to paying players and using the portal (which goes toward him rewarding loyalty over potential). Seems like he wasn’t willing to bet heavy on new talent and instead wanted to make safer investments/bets. Think that may have been at odds with Kraft, who has more of a high risk/high reward approach.

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They did not say that Knowles interviewed. Someone watching posted in the comments that they heard Knowles interviewed at OSU, and Fitz wasn't able to confirm that but it sounded like he had also heard some rumors about Knowles having interest there and was making calls in an attempt to confirm if it was true or not.
 
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It increasingly looks like we struck out on our first attempt to leverage NIL and additional resources. Kraft wanted it all, and James took a more conservative approach with everything. James was wrong and will learn from this for his next destination. He took such a conservative approach with everything that the team played very, very tight rather than playing football and having some fun doing so. I think the team goes out and beats the hell out of Iowa this weekend. If the Knowles rumors are true, then eff him because he obviously didn’t have his head in the game and created a bewildering disjointed defense while his eyes were on bigger HC prizes. We should use the opportunity to be a disruptive force for all of college football and start interviewing head coaches immediately while they’re in midseason. It’s a dog eat dog world.
 
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BobPSU92 said:
Sucks.
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so the message I'm hearing is that kraft wants to swing and miss if necessary on many portal targets and JF didn't. Ok well Kraft's version is a recipe for disaster financially, just like JF not getting it done in the big games, if you don't get it done in your portal must haves and miss on many of them, not many people will want to keep being pestered for more money because you want to keep playing slot machine???? no thanks ...

In what world does a recruit or even a portal player call the shots on what they get? Kraft seems like it doesn't matter, pay them anything Really??

And yet we are going to intensify the fueling of the very divisive issue in some way, to make unity happen? what Bizzaro world are they pitching to us? Make it make sense
 
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Lots of info. But is Kraft holding Franklin to a standard that we didn't have 8 months ago...meaning NIL money then compared to now.?
 
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PSUSignore said:
They did not say that Knowles interviewed. Someone watching posted in the comments that they heard Knowles interviewed at OSU, and Fitz wasn't able to confirm that but it sounded like he had also heard some rumors about Knowles having interest there and was making calls in an attempt to confirm if it was true or not.
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IDK, isn't that something that would have to go the University? and no way are they letting him interview before the Oregon game and if he did I would have let him go on the spot.
 
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NoSoup4U said:
so the message I'm hearing is that kraft wants to swing and miss if necessary on many portal targets and JF didn't. Ok well Kraft's version is a recipe for disaster financially, just like JF not getting it done in the big games, if you don't get it done in your portal must haves and miss on many of them, not many people will want to keep being pestered for more money because you want to keep playing slot machine???? no thanks ...

In what world does a recruit or even a portal player call the shots on what they get? Kraft seems like it doesn't matter, pay them anything Really??

And yet we are going to intensify the fueling of the very divisive issue in some way, to make unity happen? what Bizzaro world are they pitching to us? Make it make sense
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It’s not all that at all.
Penn State (or its proxies with the nil collective) for years has had NIL based on seniority as a base case, with any extra money earned having to come via the efforts of the athlete and his agent, for years.
Other schools (most) divvy money up based on merit as a base case, with the athletes then also able to go above and beyond.
Franklin prefers the former. Kraft prefers the latter.
 
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Midnighter said:
Excellent stuff from TFrank, Nate, and Sean. Some stuff in here I wasn’t aware of including that Knowles interviewed (IIRC) for the Oklahoma State HC job before the Oregon game, and really good detail and insight on Franklin’s approach to paying players and using the portal (which goes toward him rewarding loyalty over potential). Seems like he wasn’t willing to bet heavy on new talent and instead wanted to make safer investments/bets. Think that may have been at odds with Kraft, who has more of a high risk/high reward approach.

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Thanks. Will listen tomorrow on the treadmill.
 
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Midnighter

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PSUSignore said:
They did not say that Knowles interviewed. Someone watching posted in the comments that they heard Knowles interviewed at OSU, and Fitz wasn't able to confirm that but it sounded like he had also heard some rumors about Knowles having interest there and was making calls in an attempt to confirm if it was true or not.
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Thanks for clarifying.
 
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NoSoup4U said:
so the message I'm hearing is that kraft wants to swing and miss if necessary on many portal targets and JF didn't. Ok well Kraft's version is a recipe for disaster financially, just like JF not getting it done in the big games, if you don't get it done in your portal must haves and miss on many of them, not many people will want to keep being pestered for more money because you want to keep playing slot machine???? no thanks ...

In what world does a recruit or even a portal player call the shots on what they get? Kraft seems like it doesn't matter, pay them anything Really??

And yet we are going to intensify the fueling of the very divisive issue in some way, to make unity happen? what Bizzaro world are they pitching to us? Make it make sense
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Seems more like he’d be willing to go big on a portal player of need versus trying to keep everyone on the roster happy.
 
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At the 28 minute mark they start talking Paterno. At the end of that discussion Fitz makes a statement that , at least to me , implies that Jay (and / or Scott) is still a problem.
 
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donaldfair71 said:
It’s not all that at all.
Penn State (or its proxies with the nil collective) for years has had NIL based on seniority as a base case, with any extra money earned having to come via the efforts of the athlete and his agent, for years.
Other schools (most) divvy money up based on merit as a base case, with the athletes then also able to go above and beyond.
Franklin prefers the former. Kraft prefers the latter.
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I'm not all for paying big money to bring in unknown quantities, so if that's Kraft's approach, I don't particularly like it. But on the other hand, Franklin could not develop players. I can't say anyone on the current team has improved since they arrived on campus. That's on Franklin.
 
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Midnighter said:
Excellent stuff from TFrank, Nate, and Sean. Some stuff in here I wasn’t aware of including that Knowles* interviewed (IIRC) for the Oklahoma State HC job before the Oregon game, and really good detail and insight on Franklin’s approach to paying players and using the portal (which goes toward him rewarding loyalty over potential). Seems like he wasn’t willing to bet heavy on new talent and instead wanted to make safer investments/bets. Think that may have been at odds with Kraft, who has more of a high risk/high reward approach.

*not yet confirmed.

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Three things were reinforced in that podcast for me. This season’s downfall came down to:

1.) Money (disunity in the locker room).
2.) A disastrous coaching hire (Knowles).
3.) Kraft’s meddling and micromanaging of the team (who to play based on who we pay).

Take this new age of paying players out of the equation, and these kids just being actual students with the added benefits of scholarships, Pell grants, and free room and board, James is still here with only a DC to get rid of.
 
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PSUcup said:
At the 28 minute mark they start talking Paterno. At the end of that discussion Fitz makes a statement that , at least to me , implies that Jay (and / or Scott) is still a problem.
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That comment sounded like Fitz was talking about the beginning of the Franklin era
 
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