FC: How Attractive is the Penn State Head Coaching Job?

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No he didn’t. Kraft gave him 3 and a half years after he was hired. Franklin was 34-8 in Kraft’s first three years and got within a bad play call/throw of playing for the National Championship last year. A game he could have conceivably won knowing how hard it is to beat a good team twice in the same year.

Even if you throw in this year’s 3-3 record, Franklin still ended up with a 77% winning percentage In his time at Penn State.

Franklin had ONE losing season in his 11 1/2 years and that was the COVID year. He would have made the Playoffs in 7 of his first 11 years under its current configuration, and once you’re in the Playoffs, anything could have happened.

Think about that for a second. Franklin would have had us IN the Playoffs NO LESS than SEVEN TIMES since he was hired in 2014. The ONLY years we would have missed them would have been his first two years when he was rebuilding the Program, and the two years we were dealing with the Covid pandemic and its aftermath. We would have already been IN the Playoffs in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2022, 2023, and 2024.

In short, Kraft was bat **** brain dead to fire Franklin so quick. His post firing presser didn’t help matters. If you don’t think other coaches look at Kraft and think he’s a raving, illogical maniac, especially since he will be following them around on the sideline in every game micromanaging their every move, you’re crazy.

Pay me a LOT MORE of your hard earned money than anyone else is offering with a gargantuan enough buyout, fine. But I’m certainly not going to make any long range plans wrt Penn State and its irrational fan base and AD.

Penn State has finally joined the great game - now it might win something, it might not. But this shows PSU isn’t content with racking up wins over nobodies. I’d also add this season has unraveled in historic, unprecedented fashion (of the worst ever variety). It was time.


 

PSUForever

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LOL, so you cannot handle what I said and you're an emotional little girl and your post proves it....I get it. I clearly said Franklin had to go after he tanked those 3 games and basically this whole season away. He had all the expectations and he failed...no way around it. This was his make or break year and he choked it away, but this notion it's plug and play at PSU isn't the reality some think it is.
Penn State is a top ten program and the best job open. We have a ton of resources to spend and fan support second to none. We will attract an excellent candidate.

The fact that we didn't attract Cignetti means what exactly in your mind? That Indiana now competes with us and could beat us? Okay, who cares. What about Wisconsin? They aren't good but were good.

Are we definitely winning a NC in the next 10 years? Of course not. Do we have a reasonable chance. Yes, of course but apparently you are convinced otherwise.

So your argument hinges on we cannot find anyone better than Franklin. In fact you seem to think we are going to make a bad hire that spirals the program downward. So you are betting on us to fail, nice. You are clearly convinced of that so have at it. The fact that you think reality is we never improve upon what Franklin did is a very negative outlook.

Franklin was overrated. He should never have been extended that huge contract and should have been fired after the 2021 season. He was not that good of a recruiter, botched every big game and now we have discovered he completely mismanaged the roster and NIL.

If this hire is not the right guy then we will get another guy. It is not like we are stuck with an underperforming coach for decades. We are a blue blood program. We are in a great recruiting area and have the tradition second to none. And we have money. There is no reason to think we cannot become an elite program besides just having a general negative outlook.
 

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Ohio is a terrible place filled with uneducated, drug addicted OH State fans. Worst state ever. I read where cheater Tressle is the Lt Governor now? SMH...
Ohio resident here for more decades than I want to admit. Ohio is much like PA. It is not growing. Southern Ohio got hit hard by the opioid epidemic. Columbus is a great town, I lived there for 6 years. Cleveland has shrunk along with manufacturing. Still a great town if you know your way around and has world class health care (Cleveland Clinic). On the other hand, it is the home of the inept Browns. Ohio is not the worst state, and it does not have Philly.
 

Nitt1300

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Penn State is a top ten program and the best job open. We have a ton of resources to spend and fan support second to none. We will attract an excellent candidate.

The fact that we didn't attract Cignetti means what exactly in your mind? That Indiana now competes with us and could beat us? Okay, who cares. What about Wisconsin? They aren't good but were good.

Are we definitely winning a NC in the next 10 years? Of course not. Do we have a reasonable chance. Yes, of course but apparently you are convinced otherwise.

So your argument hinges on we cannot find anyone better than Franklin. In fact you seem to think we are going to make a bad hire that spirals the program downward. So you are betting on us to fail, nice. You are clearly convinced of that so have at it. The fact that you think reality is we never improve upon what Franklin did is a very negative outlook.

Franklin was overrated. He should never have been extended that huge contract and should have been fired after the 2021 season. He was not that good of a recruiter, botched every big game and now we have discovered he completely mismanaged the roster and NIL.

If this hire is not the right guy then we will get another guy. It is not like we are stuck with an underperforming coach for decades. We are a blue blood program. We are in a great recruiting area and have the tradition second to none. And we have money. There is no reason to think we cannot become an elite program besides just having a general negative outlook.
We are not Alabama, or even tOSU.

It's reasonable to say we are historically a top ten program- but "second to none" is just self-delusion.
 

KingLando

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LOL, so you cannot handle what I said and you're an emotional little girl and your post proves it....I get it. I clearly said Franklin had to go after he tanked those 3 games and basically this whole season away. He had all the expectations and he failed...no way around it. This was his make or break year and he choked it away, but this notion it's plug and play at PSU isn't the reality some think it is.
But who is guaranteeing this?
There's risk with any hire, right? We could hire Urban or Saban only to find out they struggle in the NIL era. We could pull an LSU and hire someone that is proven on for him to flop. We could hire an elite coordinator only he struggles like Venables has or worse. There's no guarantees. The move was necessary and if the next move fails you fire him as well.

I don't understand the argument here at all. All that's happened thus far is Franklin was justly fired. We should all be thrilled he was held accountable while hoping for the best.
 

PSUForever

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We are not Alabama, or even tOSU.

It's reasonable to say we are historically a top ten program- but "second to none" is just self-delusion.
Fan base is as rabid as any in the country. Look at our attendance.
But who is guaranteeing this?
There's risk with any hire, right? We could hire Urban or Saban only to find out they struggle in the NIL era. We could pull an LSU and hire someone that is proven on for him to flop. We could hire an elite coordinator only he struggles like Venables has or worse. There's no guarantees. The move was necessary and if the next move fails you fire him as well.

I don't understand the argument here at all. All that's happened thus far is Franklin was justly fired. We should all be thrilled he was held accountable while hoping for the best.
That is just it. They are not thrilled. They would have been satisfied with Franklin forever because they obviously think the risk is too great to fire him. They will say it needs to he done but then complain we are doomed like it some kind of trap and we can never get out of or improve upon. It is essentially like saying you can die this way or this way but you are dying. There is no way out. Totally illogical.

And my last point is that they complain so vehemently about us having a high likelihood of spiraling into a program like Nebraska like they want it to happen so they can feel good about themselves saying "I told you so".
 

84lion

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Rumors from down that way are that they’re not in love with him, and he’s not in love with coaching in the SEC.
I attribute the first one mostly to “next guy” syndrome.
I had forgotten that Washington (under DeBoer) got to the NCG in 2023 (lost to UM, who cheated).

It's instructive to review the Alabama football seasons:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_football_seasons

Bama fired Bill Curry and Ray Perkins after 10-win seasons (post-Bear) and then fired Mike DuBose and Dennis Franchione (post-Gene Stallings), also after 10-win seasons.

The Bama faithful expect a lot. DeBoer may have discovered what a pressure cooker Bama is.
 

LB99

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Ohio resident here for more decades than I want to admit. Ohio is much like PA. It is not growing. Southern Ohio got hit hard by the opioid epidemic. Columbus is a great town, I lived there for 6 years. Cleveland has shrunk along with manufacturing. Still a great town if you know your way around and has world class health care (Cleveland Clinic). On the other hand, it is the home of the inept Browns. Ohio is not the worst state, and it does not have Philly.
Ohio also is responsible for Gym Jordan.
 
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Ludd

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Penn State is a top ten program and the best job open. We have a ton of resources to spend and fan support second to none. We will attract an excellent candidate.

The fact that we didn't attract Cignetti means what exactly in your mind? That Indiana now competes with us and could beat us? Okay, who cares. What about Wisconsin? They aren't good but were good.

Are we definitely winning a NC in the next 10 years? Of course not. Do we have a reasonable chance. Yes, of course but apparently you are convinced otherwise.

So your argument hinges on we cannot find anyone better than Franklin. In fact you seem to think we are going to make a bad hire that spirals the program downward. So you are betting on us to fail, nice. You are clearly convinced of that so have at it. The fact that you think reality is we never improve upon what Franklin did is a very negative outlook.

Franklin was overrated. He should never have been extended that huge contract and should have been fired after the 2021 season. He was not that good of a recruiter, botched every big game and now we have discovered he completely mismanaged the roster and NIL.

If this hire is not the right guy then we will get another guy. It is not like we are stuck with an underperforming coach for decades. We are a blue blood program. We are in a great recruiting area and have the tradition second to none. And we have money. There is no reason to think we cannot become an elite program besides just having a general negative outlook.
The winningest coach in the history of college football couldn’t win a NC here for 25 years, but Franklin is the reason we couldn’t win one. There’s more lacking at PSU than you think.
 

BobPSU92

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The winningest coach in the history of college football couldn’t win a NC here for 25 years, but Franklin is the reason we couldn’t win one. There’s more lacking at PSU than you think.

We suffer from a thick fog of suckery permanently blanketing the campus.
 

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Rumors from down that way are that they’re not in love with him, and he’s not in love with coaching in the SEC.
I attribute the first one mostly to “next guy” syndrome.
If true, there is the possibility that the results of LSU’s next two games (A&M, Bama) could have more of an impact on next year’s PSU’s head coach more so than PSU’s own two games.

That would be another happening I never would have considered for this season.
 

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If true, there is the possibility that the results of LSU’s next two games (A&M, Bama) could have more of an impact on next year’s PSU’s head coach more so than PSU’s own two games.

That would be another happening I never would have considered for this season.
Far more likely it has ZERO impact (DeBoer, Elko, or Kelly - if he is fired by LSU, ain't coming to PSU in any event)
 

BobPSU92

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Far more likely it has ZERO impact (DeBoer, Elko, or Kelly - if he is fired by LSU, ain't coming to PSU in any event)

If PSU hires brian kelly, then I’m finally sending my diploma back. (I’ve had it packed up ready for the mail since ‘99.)
 

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The winningest coach in the history of college football couldn’t win a NC here for 25 years, but Franklin is the reason we couldn’t win one. There’s more lacking at PSU than you think.
Joe’s circumstances seem different. No playoffs. Had to win a vote. PSU went undefeated and won bowl games multiple times but the voters didn’t respect PSU. It took Joe 25 years because he had to make PSU credible. It is credible now. That wall has been broken down and is not an obstacle anymore.
 

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The winningest coach in the history of college football couldn’t win a NC here for 25 years, but Franklin is the reason we couldn’t win one. There’s more lacking at PSU than you think.
Franklin was the head football coach and was given significant resources to win at the highest level. He failed. His record vs top 5 and 10 teams is an outright embarrassment. There is this concept called accountability and Penn State finally learned it with Franklin.
 

LaJollaCreek

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We are not Alabama, or even tOSU.

It's reasonable to say we are historically a top ten program- but "second to none" is just self-delusion.
No MNC in 4 decades or going on that. Nothing I said was unreasonable but every school or team has a few that are just a bit delusional. PSU has a great program but we’ll see who they hire and what the trajectory is.
 

Shep

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You forgot education, getting their degrees. What MADE us great was that Joe always emphasized the importance of getting your degree. Franklin carried that torch on pretty good in that his graduation rates were excellent while he was here.

Kraft’s presser subliminally screamed that’s now all out the door. It’s now all about money and winning at all costs. I even got a weird vibe that he was willing to bend corners wrt the rules.

Sorry, but buying a “Championship“ doesn’t get my juices flowing if the majority of these kids end up pumping gas the rest of their lives. A good mix of academic and athletic discipline will get these kids a LOT further than the transfer portal, NIL, and a $100,000 paycheck. Hopefully, the next Coach takes that into consideration when he looks over his shoulder during a game, and sees Kraft breathing down his neck.
All football championships are "bought" today---no getting around it in the current system. Any attempt to navigate around that premise might sound good by traditional standards, but in reality, is disingenuous to the paying fanbase. If you want to play "big-boy" football these days, pony up for the ride and bring saddle bags filled with cash.
 

PSUJam

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No doubt. The printing press of borrowed money PSU has rolled out, and will likely to continue to roll out, is the #1 attraction - to a situation that was plenty attractive to begin with.

That said, PSU has 4, maybe 5 years tops, until the $$$ wheels come falling off of the train. (PSU won't be the only school with such issues, of course, but the $700 M and "best in class" bonfire-ing of cash, kind of cemented PSU into a spot where their conundrum will be among the most severe)

Then there will have to be a "great reset", and no one knows how that will be dealt with. Those are issues most college football Coach candidates are going to be "zero" concerned with (or even aware of), but it does put a timeline on the termination point of business as usual.
You've been saying that for the past 10 years on here. Just wait until the private equity hits.
 
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PSUJam

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Penn State has finally joined the great game - now it might win something, it might not. But this shows PSU isn’t content with racking up wins over nobodies. I’d also add this season has unraveled in historic, unprecedented fashion (of the worst ever variety). It was time.


I'll never forget when you turned heel on James when you were posting live from the winery. That was fantastic. 🤣
 

PSUJam

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Far more likely it has ZERO impact (DeBoer, Elko, or Kelly - if he is fired by LSU, ain't coming to PSU in any event)
If any of those three are fired it absolutely has an impact on who we hire. Bama and LSU will be top destinations and AM has more money than anyone to hire who they want.
 

Nitt1300

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All football championships are "bought" today---no getting around it in the current system. Any attempt to navigate around that premise might sound good by traditional standards, but in reality, is disingenuous to the paying fanbase. If you want to play "big-boy" football these days, pony up for the ride and bring saddle bags filled with cash.
You aren't wrong, but can anyone take pride in that? It used to mean something to do it the right way, now it's just an inferior version of the NFL.