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This exact discussion was taking place on College Football Radio:

Say Penn State is 10-2 at the end of the year and ranked around 8-9; certain shoe-in for an at large birth in the CFP. But, they are headed to the B1G Championship game against say Oregon. Penn State loses, is at 10-3, and falls in the rankings. Do you think they will still get in over say Notre Dame, who has a super weak schedule and no conference championship game to play for? Or another two loss B1G team who didn’t play for the B1G Championship? On the one hand, win and you’re in. On the other, could be out altogether.
 
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There is going to be all kinds of jibber like that at the end of the year - and not just wrt "who's in?"... but also "who gets a home game?", and "who gets a bye?"

It is going to be a clown show. A complete clown show - and one of the main reasons why the "12 team" was the worst possible option. The absolute worst possible option.
Though ESPN will love it.... 25 hours a day, for two straight weeks, of their lowest-common-denominator studio geniuses feeding garbage to a receptive audience of college football junkies.
 
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Anything is possible to fit the committee’s “agenda”.

I will add that it became noticeable about 2019 that the loser of the CCG was treated differently than in the past. UW lost to pick up their 3rd loss and did not drop a position in the rankings, staying above multiple 2-loss teams.

It suddenly seemed like teams would benefit from a win, but would not be punished for a loss unless it was really bad.
 
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Mufasa94 said:
Anything is possible to fit the committee’s “agenda”.

I will add that it became noticeable about 2019 that the loser of the CCG was treated differently than in the past. UW lost to pick up their 3rd loss and did not drop a position in the rankings, staying above multiple 2-loss teams.

It suddenly seemed like teams would benefit from a win, but would not be punished for a loss unless it was really bad.
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The committee on dropping CCG losers:

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VaDave4PSU said:
What about the ACC and Big 12 ccg losers? How will they be treated?
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Some people think the BiG and SEC will each get 4 teams but I disagree. You've got ND and 3 other conference champs which means no other conference could get two.

Example: I could easily see 2 of Clemson, FL State, and Miami getting in. Or maybe the BiG 12 has 2 teams with only 1 loss. What about an undefeated team from Mtn West like Boise State or Conference USA like Liberty.
 
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bdgan said:
Some people think the BiG and SEC will each get 4 teams but I disagree. You've got ND and 3 other conference champs which means no other conference could get two.

Example: I could easily see 2 of Clemson, FL State, and Miami getting in.
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I doubt in the Big10 gets 4 in (maybe 4 for the SEC)

Which would mean, if things go more or less as expected, one of the group OSU, Michigan, Oregon, PSU - will be left out.

If PSU ends up with the same record as the other candidates for the third spot - among OSU, Michigan, and Oregon - PSU's strength of schedule will likely knock them (rightfully) out.
That said, I expect PSU to be in - if they have any level of decent team that is expected. Which would mean no way they should lose more than - maximum - 2 games with that schedule. And I expect that at least 1 of the other three will end up with at least 3 losses (They almost have to. Given all their games against each other a lot would have to fall exactly in place for none of them to have 3 losses)
 
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Mufasa94 said:
Anything is possible to fit the committee’s “agenda”.

I will add that it became noticeable about 2019 that the loser of the CCG was treated differently than in the past. UW lost to pick up their 3rd loss and did not drop a position in the rankings, staying above multiple 2-loss teams.

It suddenly seemed like teams would benefit from a win, but would not be punished for a loss unless it was really bad.
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Yeah, I think it was Herbstreit (??) years ago who started the idea that the loser of a championship game shouldn’t be punished for playing an extra game. (Was it when Oklahoma got rolled like 35-7 in their championship game but still was selected for the BCS game?)

Anyone who’s paid attention over the past few years has seen the committee say they are ranking based on merit but play games with some team’s rankings (with an eye on their future schedule) to get matchups they wanted. The same will happen now.
 
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Psu00 said:
Yeah, I think it was Herbstreit (??) years ago who started the idea that the loser of a championship game shouldn’t be punished for playing an extra game. (Was it when Oklahoma got rolled like 35-7 in their championship game but still was selected for the BCS game?)

Anyone who’s paid attention over the past few years has seen the committee say they are ranking based on merit but play games with some team’s rankings (with an eye on their future schedule) to get matchups they wanted. The same will happen now.
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It would be difficult for a 3 loss BiG team to get in ahead of an undefeated team like Liberty.
 
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PSUFTG2 said:
I doubt in the Big10 gets 4 in (maybe 4 for the SEC)

Which would mean, if things go more or less as expected, one of the group OSU, Michigan, Oregon, PSU - will be left out.

If PSU ends up with the same record as the other candidates for the third spot - among OSU, Michigan, and Oregon - PSU's strength of schedule will likely knock them (rightfully) out.
That said, I expect PSU to be in - if they have any level of decent team that is expected. Which would mean no way they should lose more than - maximum - 2 games with that schedule. And I expect that at least 1 of the other three will end up with at least 3 losses (They almost have to. Given all their games against each other a lot would have to fall exactly in place for none of them to have 3 losses)
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Agreed.
But if we’re 10-2, it’s likely a loss to O$U at home and U$C/UW on the road. In which case, we’re not in the BIG Champ game anyway
 
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kijanalives said:
Agreed.
But if we’re 10-2, it’s likely a loss to O$U at home and U$C/UW on the road. In which case, we’re not in the BIG Champ game anyway
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No, they likely would not be. But that wasn't part of the question.
 
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Midnighter said:
Deoends on the ranking/records right?
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Until it doesn't. They can shift anybody from wherever on selection Sunday.

bdgan said:
Some people think the BiG and SEC will each get 4 teams but I disagree. You've got ND and 3 other conference champs which means no other conference could get two.

Example: I could easily see 2 of Clemson, FL State, and Miami getting in. Or maybe the BiG 12 has 2 teams with only 1 loss. What about an undefeated team from Mtn West like Boise State or Conference USA like Liberty.
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I think the people who think that 8 spots are being taken by the Big 10 and SEC also expect the ACC and Big 12 runner up to have 3 losses or more while the "Big boys" produce more 2 loss or less teams.

The group of 5 will only get 1 spot regardless of how many of their teams finish undefeated. Biggest midget gets in.

It's when the Big 12 ccg has a 1 loss champ (autobid) and the loser has 2 or 3 losses (1 being the ccg) that it gets interesting.

OSU, Bama, UGA, they would have to lose 3 regular season games to miss.

This is why I don't see Iowa as a dark horse like some do. They have to win 11 games or they aren't getting in.

It would be in our best interest to win 11 as well and not leave it in the hands of anyone.
 
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bdgan said:
It would be difficult for a 3 loss BiG team to get in ahead of an undefeated team like Liberty.
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The top G5 team is guaranteed a spot in the 12. That is not even in question.

The P4 teams are competing for 11 spots.
 
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PSUFTG2 said:
There is going to be all kinds of jibber like that at the end of the year - and not just wrt "who's in?"... but also "who gets a home game?", and "who gets a bye?"

It is going to be a clown show. A complete clown show - and one of the main reasons why the "12 team" was the worst possible option. The absolute worst possible option.
Though ESPN will love it.... 25 hours a day, for two straight weeks, of their lowest-common-denominator studio geniuses feeding garbage to a receptive audience of college football junkies.
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And what would your solution have been?
 
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LB99 said:
Dude. I’m not getting into a pissing contest with you. I posted an article. Take it or leave it. I didn’t write it. If you don’t agree with it, write to the author. ✌🏽
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Then you're as dumb as the author.
 
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