FC/OT: Went to Nats/Phils game last night - how do families afford baseball games??

NedFromYork

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Honestly I think pitch limits hurt the offense as opposed to hitters seeing the starter for 3

Honestly I think pitch limits hurt the offense as opposed to hitters seeing the starter for 3 or 4 times.
Those are minimums, not limits. Right now a team can pitch an opener that matters see 1-2 times, then an SP or a middle reliever they see 2-3 times or only 1-2 times, plus the whole Lefty-Righty, Righty-Lefty stacking. With MINIMUMS, the batter can see the starting pitcher 3-4 times.
 
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Those are minimums, not limits. Right now a team can pitch an opener that matters see 1-2 times, then an SP or a middle reliever they see 2-3 times or only 1-2 times, plus the whole Lefty-Righty, Righty-Lefty stacking. With MINIMUMS, the batter can see the starting pitcher 3-4 times.
Oh I apologize. I clearly misread/misunderstood. I agree 100%
 
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Short term it's not going to get cheaper. Here in SW Ohio both utilities (electric & gas) are once again asking the Ohio PUC for rate increases as much as 25%. Speaking with family and friends in the south and mid-atlantic states, utility rates are also greatly increasing.
Local Dayton TV station ran a story indicating that Data Centers are consuming huge amounts of energy which could be the impetus behind the rate increases. Anyone familiar with this and if it is true? If it is the Data Centers (which are ever increasing in number) are gobbling up energy, why then are they not bearing the increases instead of homeowners and renters?
This might be behind a pay wall, but other news outlets covered it. Just search "Three Mile Island Microsoft".

There is not enough electricity generated to cover the demand projected in the very near future. Data centers are huge electricity consumers.
 
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rudedude

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Citizen’s Bank Park you can bring in your own food. Prices at the Linc for Eagles games are freaking nuts!




beer prices at the Beav are whack too. $10 for a domestic and $12 for a “specialty” like Blue Moon 🙄
 

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Quite honestly.....I wonder how young families can survive! Basic essentials like food, housing, clothes have doubled or more....but then add the electric bill, cable TV, taxes, all other municipal costs and you need a terrific income but usually 2 to achieve what one income used to supply.
And it is not going to get any better for younger people. The National Debt is being completely ignored in Congress (the "big, beautiful bill" added almost 3 Trillion to it, and it now equals $109.000 for every man, woman, and child in America). Interest alone on the National Debt will soon equal the huge expenditures on National Defense and Entitlements (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Veteran's Benefits).
 

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And it is not going to get any better for younger people. The National Debt is being completely ignored in Congress (the "big, beautiful bill" added almost 3 Trillion to it, and it now equals $109.000 for every man, woman, and child in America). Interest alone on the National Debt will soon equal the huge expenditures on National Defense and Entitlements (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Veteran's Benefits).
This was a thread was started by a good poster about a family attending a baseball game.

Your post wasn't about a family attending a baseball game at all.
 
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I’ve had an Orioles season ticket plan for about 15 years and prices aren’t quite as bad as what the original post stated, but they’re probably about 75% of it. My seat seats are front row down the third base line at Camden yards, about 50 feet from the left field foul pole. Prices for those seats have doubled over the last 15 years plus they do the tiered game costs where if you’re playing some crappy team like the White Sox the tickets only 30 bucks apiece but if the Yankees come to town, it’s double that.

I always buy peanuts and a soda or something like that on the way into the stadium and as long as they’re unopened bags and bottles, you’re in pretty good shape. The only time I ever buy food at the stadium is if the kids come and they get hangry. But along with that the stadium does have some family areas where you can get package deals for family pricing where they give you a coupon for a hotdog and a small soda. People with families have to look into those kind of deals and then after a couple innings, we just move down to different seats as long as the ushers aren’t jerks.
 
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We bought tickets for my FIL for Father’s Day since he would be in town en route to Myrtle Beach. Six tix in Section 310 cost about $350 (not too bad), parking in a garage was $51, and my food order with my son was $61 (two burgers, two fries, one coke). Two beers for my wife and I was $35. It was a fairly well attended game with way more Phils fans than Nats fans and to be honest, the ball park and surrounding area is actually well done - feel kind of organic. Extra DEA officers roaming around outside was actually comforting too.

As an aside - don’t follow baseball as much as I used to, but I think the highest batting average I saw on the night was Turner’s .285 - most were well below that. Is pitching that much better these days? Yikes.

Anyway, anyone have an idea of what concessions cost at say PNC Park - comparable?

If you were shocked by the cost of attendance at the Nats game, stay away from Fenway. There are ways to attempt to keep your cost down if you go to watch the BoSox, but the "typical" cost is pretty outrageous. Fenway and Nats Park are set up differently, so there's no direct seating comparison (where you were at Nats Park would be a $400/seat club seat at Fenway), but the next closest thing would be about double the cost. Parking cost is outrageous, and it's not worth the hassle to drive in, so many people opt to park in towns outside the city and take the T/commuter rail, which is "fun" around Red Sox games ... especially with little kids in tow, getting smooshed and trampled while the subway cars are herking and jerking around.

As many others have said, with families, minor league parks are the way to go. Tickets are readily available, food is cheaper, the in/out time is much quicker ... you don't feel bad at all when/if they want to leave early, and it's still high quality baseball ... and they usually try to have some kind of kid-friendly pre-game activity/post-game event.

And, yes, pitching is that much better. Don't let the traditionalist fuddy-duddies try to tell you differently. Kids are machines when they're already in high school. The amount of training, and informed training (sport specific training, position specific training, instantaneous computer feedback and analysis) ... these kids are beasts, and by the time they hit the pros, it's crazy. And then we have more informed handling of the pitching staff, as well. I'd love to be a major league hitter today, but I'd also hate it, if you know what I mean. It's hard.

The absolute BEST experience is the Cape Cod League ... on vacation, just had a long day of lounging at the beach or shopping around town ... finish off the night watching young stud players close up without the pomp and circumstance of a typical high level game. Wander in and sit on the grass ... kids go up to the bullpen and talk to the pitchers there ... then run to the playground nearby, then come back and watch the game eating some ridiculous gimmick food product that they'll remember far longer than your typical dog or burger.

Unfortunately, with kids heavily involved in travel baseball, we actually don't get to watch many games in person anymore. We're usually in a tournament, aren't sure if we're going to playing further into a tournament (and, if so, when), or we're decompressing from baseball and don't want to go watch another game in person while the Sox are playing.
 
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We bought tickets for my FIL for Father’s Day since he would be in town en route to Myrtle Beach. Six tix in Section 310 cost about $350 (not too bad), parking in a garage was $51, and my food order with my son was $61 (two burgers, two fries, one coke). Two beers for my wife and I was $35. It was a fairly well attended game with way more Phils fans than Nats fans and to be honest, the ball park and surrounding area is actually well done - feel kind of organic. Extra DEA officers roaming around outside was actually comforting too.

As an aside - don’t follow baseball as much as I used to, but I think the highest batting average I saw on the night was Turner’s .285 - most were well below that. Is pitching that much better these days? Yikes.

Anyway, anyone have an idea of what concessions cost at say PNC Park - comparable?
Two burgers, 2 fries and a coke would probably cost you less than $20 at The Masters.

Don't understand how pro sports continue to draw fans with those prices.
 

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NJ was 14 in 2012
Chicago was about same 12-17
NNJ was 10 17-22 modest house 3k 1.2a
the house I own in DE would be $20k per in flemington
$23k here. $40’s not uncommon.

Guessing midnighter’s home is valued about 2x ours. We probably come in 2% lower in income tax rate, which helps offset some …
 
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Two burgers, 2 fries and a coke would probably cost you less than $20 at The Masters.

Don't understand how pro sports continue to draw fans with those prices.
Yeah, but you are stuck watching golf. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

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Two burgers, 2 fries and a coke would probably cost you less than $20 at The Masters.

Don't understand how pro sports continue to draw fans with those prices.
I'd say the flight to Georgia would be more expensive than the cost of some tickets and some burgers at a baseball game.
 

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I just assume that people make a lot more money now than I ever did. My guess is that people in my job now make twice what I did 10 years ago. Heck, 10 million people paid an average of $200/ticket to see Taylor Swift 2 years ago.
 

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Well when you have the top mlb players making $40 million a year, i guess teams have to charge outrageous prices. I don’t follow professional sports as closely as I once did, but $40 million? I am all about people making money, but cmon man.

I know I am getting older but growing up I can recall Mike Schmidt the highest paid player making $2 million a year.

bottom line is I guess the prices can be charged because people are paying them, but the average fan gets squeezed out. I worry about that with how college football has headed.
 

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I live in 30009....your taxes would be $5k less here. Probably not worth it to move. However, you can get at 1.5x the square footage ie more house for less....probably cut taxes in half.

I can get the full Georgia experience just by buying a sauna and cranking it up as hot as it can go until I pass out.
 
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As an aside - don’t follow baseball as much as I used to, but I think the highest batting average I saw on the night was Turner’s .285 - most were well below that. Is pitching that much better these days? Yikes.
Going into today's games only two NL players were batting .300 or above: Will Smith of the Dodgers at .308 and Xavier Edwards of the Marlins at .306. AL has 5 over .300 led by Aaron Judge at .330.

Speaking of Judge, back in June he was hitting about .390. I caught the tail end of a phone interview with George Brett, last guy to flirt with .400 for the season when he finished at .390 in 1980. Interviewer asked what he thought of Judge's chances of finishing at .400. Brett just chuckled and replied "check with me again in August."
 
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This might be behind a pay wall, but other news outlets covered it. Just search "Three Mile Island Microsoft".

There is not enough electricity generated to cover the demand projected in the very near future. Data centers are huge electricity consumers.
My brother was retired from TMI.....but at age 70, returned to help with the restart for the data centers......pay is $100 per hr.!
 
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Two burgers, 2 fries and a coke would probably cost you less than $20 at The Masters.

Don't understand how pro sports continue to draw fans with those prices.
Technically, it would probably cost about $10k, or whatever the hospitality costs go for. Though the coke is cheap.
 

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Where I used to live in Loudoun County, VA, data centers now provide 30% of county funding. And they keep building more (a lot of development marked for quality of life improvements - town centers, parks, etc - were scrapped during Covid and these things started popping up everywhere). There are dozens - and I do not think they are big employers. But the money must be good because the school board is rich enough to turn down $50mm+ in federal funding due to policy implementations. Insane.
I live here in Loudoun now. Google says 199 current Data Centers with 117 in development. Not sure how accurate that is. Data Centers are big time tax revenue, have few employees and don’t add to the rush hour gridlock. You wouldn’t believe how many there are now. County loved them for the revenue but the residents not so much.
 
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I live here in Loudoun now. Google says 199 current Data Centers with 117 in development. Not sure how accurate that is. Data Centers are big time tax revenue, have few employees and don’t add to the rush hour gridlock. You wouldn’t believe how many there are now. County loved them for the revenue but the residents not so much.
In Loudoun County alone?

Edit: I checked. Dang, yes, in Loudoun County alone. Say hi to my cousins in Hamilton.
 

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I live here in Loudoun now. Google says 199 current Data Centers with 117 in development. Not sure how accurate that is. Data Centers are big time tax revenue, have few employees and don’t add to the rush hour gridlock. You wouldn’t believe how many there are now. County loved them for the revenue but the residents not so much.

Yeah - I used to live in ‘new’ Aldie and almost every patch of land between Rt 50 and Rt 7 that doesn’t have a school, condos/townhomes, or a Harris Teeter on it, has or will have a data center on it. It’s wild. But, we know they won’t go past Rt 15 thank goodness. I’d be livid if I was still in the area.
 

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We bought tickets for my FIL for Father’s Day since he would be in town en route to Myrtle Beach. Six tix in Section 310 cost about $350 (not too bad), parking in a garage was $51, and my food order with my son was $61 (two burgers, two fries, one coke). Two beers for my wife and I was $35. It was a fairly well attended game with way more Phils fans than Nats fans and to be honest, the ball park and surrounding area is actually well done - feel kind of organic. Extra DEA officers roaming around outside was actually comforting too.

As an aside - don’t follow baseball as much as I used to, but I think the highest batting average I saw on the night was Turner’s .285 - most were well below that. Is pitching that much better these days? Yikes.

Anyway, anyone have an idea of what concessions cost at say PNC Park - comparable?
Here's a bit of "inside the numbers" insight:

1. Batting average is not a substantive stat-- it's on-base percentage that matters, and typically you want to see guys reaching base at a clip of about 33% or better.

2. The Nationals are in dead last in the NLE, and are the 2nd-worst team in baseball (ahead of only the cartoonishly awful Rockies). Their offense is bottom-3rd, and they have two guys that have OBPs of .330 or better.

3. The Phillies have the 11th-best offense in baseball and Harper, Turner, Schwarber, and Realmuto are all having decent offensive seasons.
 
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Midnighter

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Here's a bit of "inside the numbers" insight:

1. Batting average is not a substantive stat-- it's on-base percentage that matters, and typically you want to see guys reaching base at a clip of about 33% or better.

2. The Nationals are in dead last in the NLE, and are the 2nd-worst team in baseball (ahead of only the cartoonishly awful Rockies). Their offense is bottom-3rd, and they have two guys that have OBPs of .330 or better.

3. The Phillies have the 11th-best offense in baseball and Harper, Turner, Schwarber, and Realmuto are all having decent offensive seasons.

That doesn’t explain why there used to be tons of guys hitting over .300 and now barely any. But thanks!