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Round 1 match up vs missouri at national duals should be a fairly simple team win I imagine, but one match stands out to me with young studs Ferrari and Sinclair likely to meet up for what will likely be the first of many college battles. How do you guys see this one going? College season can't start soon enough!
 
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Ferrari all day over moon face. Sinclair can scramble good but not anything like Angelo. And I think Angelo is too quick for Sinclair to counter.
 
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I see Ferrari as a superior athlete with great scrambling potential but Sinclair reminds me of otoole (just a bigger version). I think this will be closer than some people apparently think, especially if Ferrari goes into his leg pass game where Sinclair may actually have an advantage possibly
 
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Sdwrestler_20 said:
It's going to be a great match. Don't overlook Sinclair. This summer he wrestled Josh Barr tough and took a match from Max McEnally in U20 finals. He also and logged a win over Mike Mach. I have Angelo winning but Sinclair is very good.
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It might be a good match but FS results don't mean anything in folk. I remember an age group world championship getting pinned by some nobody in CHA.
 
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dtripp26 said:
It might be a good match but FS results don't mean anything in folk.
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Agreed. Especially in regards to Sinclair. He's def more freestyle savvy than your typical college wrestler. Excellent at staying off the clock, getting stepouts, and very dangerous in the chest wrap position.

He's very good at folkstyle and certainly a potential threat, but I put him a 1/2 tier below McEnelly/Welsh/Angelo.
 
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jrod65 said:
Agreed. Especially in regards to Sinclair. He's def more freestyle savvy than your typical college wrestler. Excellent at staying off the clock, getting stepouts, and very dangerous in the chest wrap position.

He's very good at folkstyle and certainly a potential threat, but I put him a 1/2 tier below McEnelly/Welsh/Angelo.
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To me the biggest question is what he looks like at 184 for a whole season. When's the last time he wrestled that low? Summer after his sophomore year in high school?
 
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dtripp26 said:
It might be a good match but FS results don't mean anything in folk. I remember an age group world championship getting pinned by some nobody in CHA.
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jrod65 said:
Agreed. Especially in regards to Sinclair. He's def more freestyle savvy than your typical college wrestler. Excellent at staying off the clock, getting stepouts, and very dangerous in the chest wrap position.

He's very good at folkstyle and certainly a potential threat, but I put him a 1/2 tier below McEnelly/Welsh/Angelo.
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If freestyle results don't mean anything in folkstyle then why are the best freestyle wrestlers USUALLY the best folkstyle wrestlers? Sure you can come up with an exception where a guy is very good at freestyle and not folkstyle but that is the exception, not the rule.
The U20 freestyle team this year consists of Knox, Blaze, Stanich, Duke, Lockett, Henckel, McEnelly, Mirasola, Rademacher, Mirasola.
The U23 freestyle team this year consists of Lilledahl, Forrest, Blaze, Duke, Mesenbrink, Haines, Welsh, Barr, Kouekabakilaho, Herrera.

You might be able to pick out one guy of that group that is a freestyle specialist. I see a ton of folkstyle hammers in the list.
 
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Sdwrestler_20 said:
If freestyle results don't mean anything in folkstyle then why are the best freestyle wrestlers USUALLY the best folkstyle wrestlers? Sure you can come up with an exception where a guy is very good at freestyle and not folkstyle but that is the exception, not the rule.
The U20 freestyle team this year consists of Knox, Blaze, Stanich, Duke, Lockett, Henckel, McEnelly, Mirasola, Rademacher, Mirasola.
The U23 freestyle team this year consists of Lilledahl, Forrest, Blaze, Duke, Mesenbrink, Haines, Welsh, Barr, Kouekabakilaho, Herrera.

You might be able to pick out one guy of that group that is a freestyle specialist. I see a ton of folkstyle hammers in the list.
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People are saying freestyle results don't matter here because we can't compare them in freestyle. If Angelo had freestyle results as well I doubt it wouldve been brought up since we would have some data
 
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Sdwrestler_20 said:
If freestyle results don't mean anything in folkstyle then why are the best freestyle wrestlers USUALLY the best folkstyle wrestlers? Sure you can come up with an exception where a guy is very good at freestyle and not folkstyle but that is the exception, not the rule.
The U20 freestyle team this year consists of Knox, Blaze, Stanich, Duke, Lockett, Henckel, McEnelly, Mirasola, Rademacher, Mirasola.
The U23 freestyle team this year consists of Lilledahl, Forrest, Blaze, Duke, Mesenbrink, Haines, Welsh, Barr, Kouekabakilaho, Herrera.

You might be able to pick out one guy of that group that is a freestyle specialist. I see a ton of folkstyle hammers in the list.
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It isn’t that the best aren’t usually still the best in both styles. It is simply that the styles are very different in certain areas, so much so, that head to head results can be considerably different.

Hell, there are a bunch of different things you can point to, but if you just focus on the difference in mat wrestling and the out of bounds rules, you could turn a 12-2 fast tech in freestyle into a 6-4 type match in Folkstyle without batting an eye…
 
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This has the makings of being the most exciting match of the dual. Sinclair isn't afraid to give up points to score his own. That works on A LOT of people, but Ferrari is so hard to score on. It's gonna be tough for Sinclair to pull out a W.
 
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41, 49, 74, 84 should all be fairly competitive matches. I don’t expect Mizzou to win that many, but they’re not pushovers.
 
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Crablegs1 said:
41, 49, 74, 84 should all be fairly competitive matches. I don’t expect Mizzou to win that many, but they’re not pushovers.
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197 as well Evan Bates from Northwestern transferred. 165 Mayfield Northwestern also transferred and is solid but Caliendo should handle him.
Over/Under 2 1/2 wins for mizzu
 
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Sdwrestler_20 said:
If freestyle results don't mean anything in folkstyle then why are the best freestyle wrestlers USUALLY the best folkstyle wrestlers? Sure you can come up with an exception where a guy is very good at freestyle and not folkstyle but that is the exception, not the rule.
The U20 freestyle team this year consists of Knox, Blaze, Stanich, Duke, Lockett, Henckel, McEnelly, Mirasola, Rademacher, Mirasola.
The U23 freestyle team this year consists of Lilledahl, Forrest, Blaze, Duke, Mesenbrink, Haines, Welsh, Barr, Kouekabakilaho, Herrera.

You might be able to pick out one guy of that group that is a freestyle specialist. I see a ton of folkstyle hammers in the list.
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Hint, because they're really good wrestlers!

Does Sinclair have a collegiate win that matches Angelo? But he did ok in age group FS qualifying, so he must be great. Maybe, maybe not but I'm saying those matches mean diddly squat Angelo.
 
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dtripp26 said:
Hint, because they're really good wrestlers!

Does Sinclair have a collegiate win that matches Angelo? But he did ok in age group FS qualifying, so he must be great. Maybe, maybe not but I'm saying those matches mean diddly squat Angelo.
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Best win is Salazar and Braunagel . Plott majored Sinclair
 
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MSU158 said:
It isn’t that the best aren’t usually still the best in both styles. It is simply that the styles are very different in certain areas, so much so, that head to head results can be considerably different.

Hell, there are a bunch of different things you can point to, but if you just focus on the difference in mat wrestling and the out of bounds rules, you could turn a 12-2 fast tech in freestyle into a 6-4 type match in Folkstyle without batting an eye…
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There you go. It isn’t that they “don’t matter” it’s that they often don’t translate super well.
 
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dtripp26 said:
Hint, because they're really good wrestlers!

Does Sinclair have a collegiate win that matches Angelo? But he did ok in age group FS qualifying, so he must be great. Maybe, maybe not but I'm saying those matches mean diddly squat Angelo.
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Beating Mcenelly in any style is not something to take lightly. I think Ferrari controls this matchup, but expect it to be a 1 TD match.
 
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MSU158 said:
It isn’t that the best aren’t usually still the best in both styles. It is simply that the styles are very different in certain areas, so much so, that head to head results can be considerably different.

Hell, there are a bunch of different things you can point to, but if you just focus on the difference in mat wrestling and the out of bounds rules, you could turn a 12-2 fast tech in freestyle into a 6-4 type match in Folkstyle without batting an eye…
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I agree with what you are saying. I am also of the mindset that anyone that takes a match from McEnelly in any style of wrestling is someone to be taken seriously. It's not like Sinclair is this freestyle specialist with no folkstyle accolades. He is highly credentialed and had some nice wins in folkstyle last year while also showing that he has work to do by taking a few big losses. It should be a fun match. I hope that Angelo whips him.
 
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Gopher4Life said:
Why are we acting like Ferrari is untouchable and gonna dominate Sinclair.
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I'm not sure he will dominate Sinclair. I don't think Sinclair's wide-open style will translate well against someone so tough to score on. I'd love to see Sinclair pull out the W here.
 
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