Fire Franklin. This is coaching malpractice!/Combined complaints post UCLA

KingLando

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You’re telling me the players voted that Singleton should have more carries than Allen?

That they shouldn’t have assigned a spy to Nico?

that Allar audibles to that stupid 4th and 2 play?

Coaching, and incompetence thereof, matters.
Wait now Allar is responsible for the 4th & 2 call? Lol
 

Nittering Nabob

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See Bob’s post. You can figure it out.
You and Bob have absolutely no sense of humor if you didn’t at least appreciate the photoshopping abilities of the people who created those images.

I thought they were innocuously humorous

You and Bob seem a little too tight (and perhaps light) in your panties.
 
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LB99

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You and Bob have absolutely no sense of humor if you didn’t at least appreciate the photoshopping abilities of the people who created those images.

I thought they were innocuously humorous

You and Bob seem a little too tight (and perhaps light) in your panties.
Bob has perhaps the best sense of humor on this board. I appreciate his sense of humor. I also appreciate his post to take the high road. If you can’t appreciate it, that’s on you.
 

Nittering Nabob

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Bob has perhaps the best sense of humor on this board. I appreciate his sense of humor. I also appreciate his post to take the high road. If you can’t appreciate it, that’s on you.
Obviously, you appreciate many things. 🙄
 

MacNit

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He probably sees the same things we see and probably has PSU Lettermen telling him of the many problems they observe. His master out is "I wasn't the one who extended James' contract. PSU doesn't have $40-$50 million currently so my hands are effectively tied".
Letterman have been unhappy for while…not just disappointed but po’d
 

MacNit

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Kraft isn't listed here - because PSU doesn't supply public information to the data compliers:
Top 10 highest-paid athletic directors in NCAA ft. Danny White

But if he were included, we know he is Top 5 highest paid ADs in the country - just with his "base":
Penn State extends AD Pat Kraft's contract through 2031-32 - ESPN

And when he collects his "bonus" (which everyone knows is a fait accompli), he will end up the HIGHEST paid AD in the country.

What do you think he sees?
Biggest test of Krafy’s career…if he does my figure this out and he will fired
 

Bvillebaron

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Who recruited and continues to play these players that aren't championship material?
Sorry hater but Franklin’s mantra since he got here has been go 1-0 and take it game by game. There are only so many ways and times any coach can tell players don’t dwell on a tough loss or take any team lightly. Impossible to tell which players will respond positively to adversity when they are recruited. But thanks for the lame comment. Do me a favor: go watch the game again and get back to me about the lack of effort.
 

Bvillebaron

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All true. But many were championship high school players. What changed? Franklin.

He needs to go. If not soon, going to a be a sad homecoming.
Oh just stop with the BS. Oh boy lots of recruits won championships in high school. BFD.
 

Bvillebaron

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It's a fair take. But this is a text book example of how hard it is for folks at PSU to blame anyone but the coach; it's Paterno veneration gone wrong. You are taking the approach of "the players did this to themselves" because we know that the coach couldn't possibly teach them wrong or motivate them to play that way. We don't, in fact, know any of that that to be true. It also takes the position that the coach incurs no consequences for what the players do, they alone reap what they sow. That's wrong, the head coach is not above anything.
Never said the head coach was above everything just that this loss was on the players. I guess they would have been motivated if somrone else gave them a pep talk.
 

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Sorry hater but Franklin’s mantra since he got here has been go 1-0 and take it game by game. There are only so many ways and times any coach can tell players don’t dwell on a tough loss or take any team lightly. Impossible to tell which players will respond positively to adversity when they are recruited. But thanks for the lame comment. Do me a favor: go watch the game again and get back to me about the lack of effort.
You're an all time moron. I never said the players didn't play hard, you selectively took that section out of my comments. I was responding to a poster that said the loss to UCLA was strictly on the feet of the players which is laughable considering the multitude of coaching lapses.
 

Bvillebaron

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You're an all time moron. I never said the players didn't play hard, you selectively clicked that section out of my comments. I was responding to a poster that said the loss to UCLA was strictly on the feet of the players which is laughable considering the multitude of coaching lapses.
Hey when you have nothing to offer report to ad hominem attacks.
 
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James Franklin is well past his sell by date. He should have been canned at least 5 years ago, but all the fanboys on McAndrew made the excuses for him... sanctions, receivers, no talent, no money for coaches, facilities, new carpeting, you name it. It was never any of that; Franklin, like O'Brien, was never given the job based on merit. The Franklin experiment failed, past time to move on.
 
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Bvillebaron

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You’re delusional if you think this isn’t on that fraud Franklin. Franklin loses to team with less talent every year. The only team with more talent on their roster is OSU. He will lose to at least 2 more games this year. Just always unprepared.
To the contrary unlike you I am not a mindless everything is Franklin’s fault sheep like you. Go watch the game again and get back to me with your assessment of the “effort” the players showed in the first half. Maybe you guys are right and Franklin should be fired. With any kind of luck there will be lots of better qualified candidates available like Belicheck, Sarkisian, Lincoln Riley not to mention the haters all time favorites: Matt Rhule and Greg Schiano. I can hardly wait.
 
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To the contrary unlike you I am not a mindless everything is Franklin’s fault sheep like you. Go watch the game again and get back to me with your assessment of the “effort” the players showed in the first half. Maybe you guys are right and Franklin should be fired. With any kind of luck there will be lots of better qualified candidates available like Belicheck, Sarkisian, Lincoln Riley not to mention the haters all time favorites: Matt Rhule and Greg Schiano. I can hardly wait.
So he goes 4-21 and now I’m his sheep?
 

MacNit

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To the contrary unlike you I am not a mindless everything is Franklin’s fault sheep like you. Go watch the game again and get back to me with your assessment of the “effort” the players showed in the first half. Maybe you guys are right and Franklin should be fired. With any kind of luck there will be lots of better qualified candidates available like Belicheck, Sarkisian, Lincoln Riley not to mention the haters all time favorites: Matt Rhule and Greg Schiano. I can hardly wait.
Ahhh yes, the Gorilla! Give him a shot!
 
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To the contrary unlike you I am not a mindless everything is Franklin’s fault sheep like you. Go watch the game again and get back to me with your assessment of the “effort” the players showed in the first half. Maybe you guys are right and Franklin should be fired. With any kind of luck there will be lots of better qualified candidates available like Belicheck, Sarkisian, Lincoln Riley not to mention the haters all time favorites: Matt Rhule and Greg Schiano. I can hardly wait.
There is one person responsible for the effort and that is Franklin. If he can’t get the most from the players he brought in and coaches then he needs to go.
 
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Waited until today to add my 2 cents. I’m 73 and a fan since I was 8 years old. Attended my first game when Engle was coach. Shared season tickets with another couple from 1978 until 3 years ago when my wife had serious health issues. Worst loss I could remember before the UCLA debacle was sitting in the sun in 95 degree heat on a season opener and losing 14-3 to Cincinnati before Cincinnati became a half decent team.
Saturday’s loss was worse and while I realize I am in a distinct minority folks but I got news for you Franklin haters, but this was squarely on the players. All I heard this offseason was all these players came back to make a Michigan and OSU run to win a Natty. What happens. Instead of coming out with determination and destroying an inferior team to get some mojo back after the tough Oregon loss, too many players on this team were still crying in their beer and thought all they had to do was roll their helmets on the field and UCLA would fold. To the contrary, this upper classmen laden team which professed that they came back for a Natty run was the team that folded like a cheap suit.
I used to read a column about who is stealing money in the NBA. There were numerous Penn State players who were stealing their NIL money last Saturday, particularly on defense of which “All World” DDS was the worst. He did two things during the first half: took an outside rush trying to make a big play which led to UCLA runners getting huge yardage in the gap he created and doing nothing but a half-assed bull rush on passing plays which involved very little pushing and a whole lot of engaging with the lineman and simply standing there. Got news for you DDS NFL scouts will notice and you just cost yourself lots of money on draft day.
What I would like to see is Franklin do what Paterno did years ago when another highly heralded team loaded with upper classmen like this year’s team under performed: benched them and put in younger players who wanted to play instead of reading their press clippings and resting on their reputations. That way he can leave town if all his haters get their way and he gets fired at the end of the year with his head held high.
How many times do you folks think Franklin whose motto from when he stepped on campus was to not overlook and opponent and focus on each week’s opponent told the players last week to not take UCLA lightly? As the old saying goes you can lead a horse to water but can’t make it drink. Instead of rebounding from a loss like OSU did last year and going on to win the Natty, too many players on this team proved IMHO that they are not championship players.

I agree about the players role. There’s no question they showed no leadership, no fire, and no pride last Saturday.

That said, I can’t just excuse the coaches. It’s the their responsibility to get the team ready to play. Turning 1 loss into 2 has become a Franklin specialty over the years. It’s not new. He’s never fixed the problem. He showed little emotion on the sideline Saturday. He showed no ability to motivate his team that still had everything to play for. He just seemed to stand there and clap for them as they came off the field after giving up another UCLA touchdown. This team has problems from top to bottom.
 

Nits1989

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I really wonder what Kraft sees. Does he attend practices? Is he able to judge how much of this is on the coaches versus the players? The buck should stop with Franklin, ultimately, but what happens in practices versus the games? I’d love to know what Kraft sees.
Can Kraft really treat this as a coaches or players thing at this point? The facts are that CJF can't win the big games for PSU. He admitted it was fact. This felt like a put up or shut up season. I really wanted him to succeed this year, and actually believed it could have happened. Up to now, the argument was that PSU didn't have sufficient resources. There were also the remarks after losing to OSU in 2018 that the team was not elite. These arguments aren't sufficient anymore. A ton of money was dumped into the players, coaches and facilities. The performance for the first 3 games was underwhelming. The team looked unready for Oregon after 2 weeks to prepare and lost. The team lost to 0-4 UCLA the next week. Isn't this consistent with past performance? Past losses to OSU followed by let down games? Its not an aberration. I hoped this year would change things. Maybe there's a good explanation that will satisfy Kraft, but we're not privy to it if there is.
 
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Nits1989

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Never said the head coach was above everything just that this loss was on the players. I guess they would have been motivated if somrone else gave them a pep talk.
Hey, it may be unfair but I think the head coach has to take the hit for this year. I thought he admitted it was on him because he is the head coach. Its too similar to his past performance and team letdowns against MSU after losses to OSU in 2017 and 2018.
 
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PSU4U

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Pay The Buyout. It's time. Sit down with Franklin and negotiate an exit strategy. Let Franklin go to a middling ACC or Big 12 squad to help rebuild their program. Get someone who understands how to build teams in the trenches. Someone willing to sit an ineffective player, regardless of whether it hurts his draft stock.
He owns homes in Fla CO and WA ST. Are those states he wouldn't mind coaching in?