If those teams played against this SEC, they'd been in Atlanta. At least two of those teams would've won the east, at the level of competition Stoops faced from the east.
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If those teams played against this SEC, they'd been in Atlanta. At least two of those teams would've won the east, at the level of competition Stoops faced from the east.
Would 100% be the right hire at the right time. Same tangibles as Brooks had but a more proven winner.
Should be attainable for UK to get.
Wisconsin is a school which usually outperforms its recruiting in football AND basketball.
I would set down with Coach Stoops, tell him what I expected, and explain that if he doesn't go at least 7-5 next year he's gone. I would ask him to evaluate ALL his coaches, and make changes so we aren't embarrassed like we were against USM. Maybe he should change the DC.
I would tell him I was NOT happy with our progress and our fans aren't either.
OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
I would tell him I was NOT happy with our progress and our fans aren't either.
OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
I'd try and get an established guy that isn't in the game anymore (ala Brooks). I'd love Jim Tressel. I'm not sure of the other names that fit this mold, not Art Biles, but someone like Tressel could come in and take advantage of the talent we have on the roster. Hopefully upgrade the D line and win 7-8 games. Then in 3-4 years when that coach moves onto a better program we can assess where we are at that point. Hopefully we can get to a point where we can could a coordinator like Kirby Smart who was waiting for a good fit not just a coordinator waiting for the first HC job that pops up.
I would keep firing coaches every four years until I got someone who could turn it around in 2 years. I would continue to blame every coach that comes here and run them off before having a fair chance to correct our horrible losing football culture.
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You make it sound like UofL has the talent level of Bama now and has beat UK by 4 TDs a game. You get someone who can coach and that game becomes very winnable.
No one is saying Kentucky will become a BCS playoff contender... Just that with the right hire, we could compete and potentially have a great season every so often.
You are probably right but you need to be an elite cheater to get away with it , when a nobody starts doing it the elite programs complain to the NCAA until that attempt to join their club is put on probation . I mean for the love of everything we got on probation for 1500 dollars to a high school coach from Bassett .
That's petty compared to what others are doing but UK got destroyed for marginal efforts at cheating . But I agree that you either have boosters that buy your success until you can float it off of tradition or a rare case where your booster is so rich that the program is upgraded beyond belief (Oregon) .
For those who want Mitch Barnhart fired, get real.
How many ADs have been fired at Alabama, LSU, tOSU, PSU, UF, ND, FSU etal because their basketball programs sucked? As long as UK basketball is doing great, MB's job is safe. I can't recall any AD at UK even being on the hot seat because of football performance going back 50+ years.
How many ADs have been fired at Alabama, LSU, tOSU, PSU, UF, ND, FSU etal because their basketball programs sucked? As long as UK basketball is doing great, MB's job is safe. I can't recall any AD at UK even being on the hot seat because of football performance going back 50+ years.
Nobody wants to come here. Why is that so difficult to understand?
We hit lightning in a bottle with a D2 coach with an innovative scheme in the late 90s and then drug a decent coach from the fishing hole (which was a favor for an old buddy). That's been the extent of our success over the past 40 years, which topped out at 7 regular season wins.
I am sorry you all are under epic delusions of grandeur, but no halfway decent coach wants to come here. Surely not a proven one. I guarantee you that 99% of them would rather just not coach than coach here.
lits like we are on self imposed probation now, NCAA is a joke, they have let everybody of the hook lately.
You're right about this not being a desirable job. And maybe a large percentage won't want to come here. But we should at least approach some of these names and try. And at some point you may have to take a risk on someone who isn't squeaky clean and give them their second chance.
I'm not delusional and I don't think most "positive" fans are. I don't think we'll hire that coach anytime soon, but it's because we don't even try. Sadly the fans will probably have to bail on the program for anything to change.
Yeah, we just need to pay recruit's fathers, hire prostitutes for their visits, and have them "attend" fake classes and we'll be a power house in a year or two :sunglasses:
Maybe we should look more for talent in the linemen so the skill positions have an opportunity to use their skill.
Bill Parcells
Steve Spurrier
Butch Jones
Mac Brown
Mike Riley
Tom Herman
The first three names are fact, the last three were rumored. First two, and Mac Brown were before we got lucky and talked Brooks out of retirement. The others were mentioned during the search that led to Stoops.
Maybe the facilities would make it more attractive to a big name coach with a solid reputation, nobody knows for sure. I guess the question is, if you had an ego the size of texas and a solid reputation, would you risk it at a school that never has really been?
We need a modern day H. Schnellenberger, not a Nick Saban, IMO.
And Billy couldnt know less about football than the current guru's we have .. last year we couldnt even get the punt team ON THE FIELD , now we do .. it gets blocked and the next 3 go grade school level.
FWIW Jim Tressel would be 64, 5 years removed from football, and is officially retired from coaching. Rich Brooks was hired at 62 or 63 I believe and many people said he was too old.
I think he can be the right guy. He can get us 8-9 wins on occasion. He'll be taking over a program that has a decent roster. Much better than the one Brooks inherited so the down years shouldn't be there. When it's time for him to retire we can then try and get a better, younger name.
More importantly than the money we now have the facilities... And all that would have to be done to make a coach know that the fanbase would be there is to show the cisches videos of the 50,000 that were at the first spring game when Stoops got here..
Not to mention that if this season dosen't turn out well and he brings MS back then how many more season ticket losses are tacked onto this year's 7K?
UK will have to play like the big boys do if they truly want a good football team. That means they need to get some alma maters involved (Tim Couch, Woodyard) who still have connections out there that can feel out some coaches that would be willing to come to UK.
UK lacks nothing now compared to other school facilities wise. Don't worry about media perception or the backlash that will come. Get the coach that can win and has proven he can. Tressel, Butch Davis, Art Briles, etc. Make your move and don't apologize for it. We got this coach because he's proven he can win and we believe he will win here. Weather the shots and let him do his thing.
Anybody that thinks that any of the big time schools don't still do whatever they have to get recruits and win just willingly ignorant. Either get in the big boy game or put a roof on Commonwealth and be done with it.
UK lacks nothing now compared to other school facilities wise. Don't worry about media perception or the backlash that will come. Get the coach that can win and has proven he can. Tressel, Butch Davis, Art Briles, etc. Make your move and don't apologize for it. We got this coach because he's proven he can win and we believe he will win here. Weather the shots and let him do his thing.
Anybody that thinks that any of the big time schools don't still do whatever they have to get recruits and win just willingly ignorant. Either get in the big boy game or put a roof on Commonwealth and be done with it.
11 straight bowl games at TT and now seems to have WSU headed in a positive direction! !
The primary challenges facing UK are structural. Firing a coach or AD will not solve them. It'll require heavy investments over several years to get UK to a point of sustained success in football. I'm not sure most UK fans are willing to spend what it will take to become a program capable of regularly contending for SEC titles. I just don't. I see too much complaining when ticket prices go up.
I don't think it's any surprise that if over a period of years you look at football revenues, booster donations, ticket prices, etc. by SEC school, the rankings will generally match how the schools performed on the field.
If UK fans want that kind of program, then we're going to have to pay for it. And there's no sense complaining about it or the apparent lack of results. Unfortunately, it costs more to get there, especially when playing catch up, than it does to stay there.
As far as Mitch and Stoops are concerned, I understand the angst over Saturday's game. That was as big of a gut punch as I can remember. However, they have also managed to secure $156 M in funding for facility upgrades during a down period and while hamstrung by a budget process that required the Athletics Department to pony up an additional $60 M or so for academics upgrades. That is a tremendous accomplishment that addresses some of these issues, but you're not going to see results from that overnight.
I don't think it's any surprise that if over a period of years you look at football revenues, booster donations, ticket prices, etc. by SEC school, the rankings will generally match how the schools performed on the field.
If UK fans want that kind of program, then we're going to have to pay for it. And there's no sense complaining about it or the apparent lack of results. Unfortunately, it costs more to get there, especially when playing catch up, than it does to stay there.
As far as Mitch and Stoops are concerned, I understand the angst over Saturday's game. That was as big of a gut punch as I can remember. However, they have also managed to secure $156 M in funding for facility upgrades during a down period and while hamstrung by a budget process that required the Athletics Department to pony up an additional $60 M or so for academics upgrades. That is a tremendous accomplishment that addresses some of these issues, but you're not going to see results from that overnight.
Otis is in KENTUCKY, right? They sure aren't having much of a problem are they? The only difference is who the AD picked to be HC...One gets it right, the other dosen't.