FLASHBACK: Robert Gates Said He Felt Pressured To Tell Obama He Would Be Loyal

eerdoc

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Gates has/had integrity/ Far too many do not. He pledged loyalty and would resign if he could not be loyal to the administration and its President. Comey was not so nobel. He was disloyal from the beginning, making all his notes (which he did not do after meetings with Obama). The Predisent has the right (if not obligation) to seek people to serve who are on the same page and will work toward the goals set forth by the President. Desired and expected. No news here in seeking confirmation that a person is really on-board (especially when we KNOW many hopd overs become leakers and Comey WAS a hold over with a very checkered past regarding Obama and Hillary abad how he went about 'his job'.
 

bamaEER

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I don't really care much about loyalty pledges, but I do think we should point out the big difference between SECDEF and the head of the FBI. The FBI Director is supposed to be independent of the WH and they are nominated to serve a 10 year term, where as SECDEF is a member of the WH cabinet and not intended to be independent.
LOL. I thought everyone knew that the FBI was autonomous.
 

mneilmont

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LOL. I thought everyone knew that the FBI was autonomous.
He is a Dept Head in Admin, and held over from prior Admin, I would think he would be asked to be loyal to the new team. No problem at all with the inquiry and without the pledge, I would hire someone who would be on my team.
 

Airport

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I don't really care much about loyalty pledges, but I do think we should point out the big difference between SECDEF and the head of the FBI. The FBI Director is supposed to be independent of the WH and they are nominated to serve a 10 year term, where as SECDEF is a member of the WH cabinet and not intended to be independent.
The FBI comes under the direction of the AG, the AG is under the President. Asking the FBI director to go easy on Flynn since he had been fired and disgraced is judicial discretion. It happens all the time. Does it look bad? Maybe. Is it obstruction, no. It's within the perview of the the Justice dept which is under the President. Prosecuting attorneys all over make decisions on who to indict. Comey made the decision to not recommend indictment of HRC when anybody in their right mind knows she was the one who has really broken the law.
 

TarHeelEer

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I always thought the FBI was to be autonomous, but libs are crying over a non-event.

Please draft and submit those articles of impeachment. Let's get this over with.
 

WVUCOOPER

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I always thought the FBI was to be autonomous, but libs are crying over a non-event.

Please draft and submit those articles of impeachment. Let's get this over with.
And Trumpologists are burying their heads in the sand. Such is life.
 

bamaEER

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I always thought the FBI was to be autonomous, but libs are crying over a non-event.

Please draft and submit those articles of impeachment. Let's get this over with.
Something about a birth certificate comes to mind.
 
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Gates was Secretary of Defense under Obama. Comey was the Director of the FBI under trump. Surely you see the difference?

Obama wasn't being investigated by Gates. trump's campaign/administration is/was being investigated by Comey. Surely you see the difference?

Dumb post.
 

Airport

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Gates was Secretary of Defense under Obama. Comey was the Director of the FBI under trump. Surely you see the difference?

Obama wasn't being investigated by Gates. trump's campaign/administration is/was being investigated by Comey. Surely you see the difference?

Dumb post.
You are dumb, The FBI director is under the aG of the United states, the aG is under the President. Maybe even you can see the pecking order. Prosecuting attorneys all over the US use prosecutorial discretion in who they charge. Comey did it when he didn't recommend indicting HRC when she clearly broke the law several times. Being asked to not prosecute Flynn becasue he had suffered enough, isn't obstruction.
 
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You are dumb. Being asked to not prosecute Flynn becasue he had suffered enough, isn't obstruction.

The President has no standing to make a request to the Director of the FBI to not investigate or prosecute members of his administration. It is very plain and simple. It sure as hell is obstruction. It is endeavoring to interfere in an ongoing investigation.
 

atlkvb

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The FBI comes under the direction of the AG, the AG is under the President. Asking the FBI director to go easy on Flynn since he had been fired and disgraced is judicial discretion. It happens all the time. Does it look bad? Maybe. Is it obstruction, no. It's within the perview of the the Justice dept which is under the President. Prosecuting attorneys all over make decisions on who to indict. Comey made the decision to not recommend indictment of HRC when anybody in their right mind knows she was the one who has really broken the law.

Well stated Airport. Obama's justice department routinely made decisions NOT to enforce Laws on immigration, voter fraud, and many other areas where Laws were clearly violated including Hillary's illegal use of a private e-mail server holding restricted classified material.

She clearly violated the Law, and the Obama justice department looked the other way. Comey was the ring leader.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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The President has no standing to make a request to the Director of the FBI to not investigate or prosecute members of his administration. It is very plain and simple. It sure as hell is obstruction. It is endeavoring to interfere in an ongoing investigation.
Understand, there could be a mountain evidence and the FBI can make the recommendation and the AG (in this case, state's attorney's in other cases) make the determination to proceed with an indictment. They have the ability to ignore the recommendation regardless of the evidence, not saying they would, but they could.
 
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Understand, there could be a mountain evidence and the FBI can make the recommendation and the AG (in this case, state's attorney's in other cases) make the determination to proceed with an indictment. They have the ability to ignore the recommendation regardless of the evidence, not saying they would, but they could.

Absolutely.

And when the AG, or a person with a relationship with the AG, is involved or potentially involved, the AG should recuse themself (and Sessions did).
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Absolutely.

And when the AG, or a person with a relationship with the AG, is involved or potentially involved, the AG should recuse themself (and Sessions did).
Agreed, though, it's not relevant to the example I gave. Using your Sessions logic, should've Loretta Lynch recused herself?
 
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Agreed, though, it's not relevant to the example I gave. Using your Sessions logic, should've Loretta Lynch recused herself?

Other than whatever little professional interaction she had with Hillary, is there another relationship she would have had? What is the appearance of conflict of interest?
 

Airport

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The President has no standing to make a request to the Director of the FBI to not investigate or prosecute members of his administration. It is very plain and simple. It sure as hell is obstruction. It is endeavoring to interfere in an ongoing investigation.
No it's not and you are obviously not a lawyer. The fact that Comey was not investigating trump, as he said, means there is no obstruction. The fact that Comeyh works at the pleasure of the President is lost on you. Comey has proven to be a tool.
 

Airport

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Absolutely.

And when the AG, or a person with a relationship with the AG, is involved or potentially involved, the AG should recuse themself (and Sessions did).
Sessions did not have a conflict. Just another trumped up lie by the liberal media. Meeting someone in passing is not a relationship. Meeting someone under investigation on the tarmac between the subjects husband and the the US AG is.
 
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No it's not and you are obviously not a lawyer. The fact that Comey was not investigating trump, as he said, means there is no obstruction. The fact that Comeyh works at the pleasure of the President is lost on you. Comey has proven to be a tool.

Interfering with ANY ongoing investigation is obstruction of justice, even if the investigation is not about you. Good god you're a moron. Surely you realize this? (the former not the latter, obviously you don't realize the latter)

You clearly don't understand what working at the pleasure of the President means. You probably think it is the job of WH counsel to defend the President regardless.
 

TarHeelEer

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Interfering with ANY ongoing investigation is obstruction of justice, even if the investigation is not about you. Good god you're a moron. Surely you realize this? (the former not the latter, obviously you don't realize the latter)

You clearly don't understand what working at the pleasure of the President means. You probably think it is the job of WH counsel to defend the President regardless.

Game over. Go lick your wounds.
 

Airport

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Interfering with ANY ongoing investigation is obstruction of justice, even if the investigation is not about you. Good god you're a moron. Surely you realize this? (the former not the latter, obviously you don't realize the latter)

You clearly don't understand what working at the pleasure of the President means. You probably think it is the job of WH counsel to defend the President regardless.
You are a partisan hack. The real crime was committed by lynch, and coney in not prosecuting hiliary
 

Airport

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He was part of the campaign. The campaign was and is being investigated. He has an obvious conflict and that is exactly why he recused himself.
Sessions should reopen hiliary and lynch and comet for collusion. All three need to be charged