I don't think most people comprehend the difference when talking about millionaires compared to billionaires. Me giving $200 to the HWC would have the same effect on my overall wealth % wise as if Richison gives Okie State wrestling 2 or 3 million dollars. Think about that. Ashton Kutcher doesn't happen to like Iowa wrestling by chance?!
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He does! I have seen him at meets in the past.
3 in 10 ties Iowa with NC State and Missouri over the same time span. Cornell has 4. tOSU and OkSt have 5.
I didnt count PSU because its too early to start drinking.
Since I don't drink I had AI give it a shot. AI came up with nine individual Penn State wrestlers who combined for 20 titles from 2016-2025:
"In the last 10 years (from the 2016 to 2025 NCAA tournaments), the Penn State wrestling program has had nine different individual national champions. These wrestlers have collectively won a total of 20 individual titles during that period.
Individual National Champions (2016–2025)
- Nico Megaludis: Won one title in 2016.
- Zain Retherford: Won three titles in 2016, 2017, and 2018.
- Jason Nolf: Won three titles in 2017, 2018, and 2019.
- Vincenzo Joseph: Won two titles in 2017 and 2018.
- Mark Hall: Won one title in 2017.
- Bo Nickal: Won three titles in 2017, 2018, and 2019.
- Anthony Cassar: Won one title in 2019.
- Roman Bravo-Young: Won two titles in 2021 and 2022.
- Max Dean: Won one title in 2022.
- Nick Lee: Won two titles in 2021 and 2022.
- Carter Starocci: Won five titles in 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025, becoming the first-ever five-time NCAA champion.
- Aaron Brooks: Won four titles in 2021, 2022, 2023, and 2024.
- Greg Kerkvliet: Won one title in 2024.
- Levi Haines: Won one title in 2024.
- Mitchell Mesenbrink: Won one title in 2025.
Why does AI say 9/20 when one can count 14/31?
(Edit: Or 15/31, if one counts correctly)
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Typical AI math (or anything else). Our world is doomed.
Because I was foolish enough to trust AI to get it correct!
Because AI blows. Strong at the A, weak at the I.
And it is 15 wrestlers with 31 titles.
I love how everyone that is anti TnT/IOWA-completely disregards 2020. Fact: Iowa would have had another title and multiple champs FACTS!!!
Highly likely, but not fact. Something like 93 - 97% chance Iowa wins.
Kinda like 2022 when Iowa returned nearly everyone from 2021 team title and they took 3rd?
Your team finished third and lost by 50 pts at B1Gs. It wouldn’t have been close.
Not remotely the same thing. Iowa was coming off dominating Big 10’s less than 2 weeks prior and was seeded to dominate NCAA’s as well.
Although there is no such thing as a sure thing, they were about as close as a wrestling team could be that season…
1,6,7,1,8,1,2,11,5,3 in case you are too lazy to actually look at the link…
Its a fact but it doesn't make anyone feel any better about the current state of affairs. It certainly didnt create any momentum or a recruiting bump.
Iowa lost by 50 pts at big tens? The difference between us, other than 120 IQ points, is I can understand someone may have a different viewpoint than me. But because I rightfully question this program’s and coach’s performance in not meeting standards that they themselves set, I become the enemy.
The only thing worse than Penn state fans are the gatekeeping Iowa fans that are content with 2nd-8th place and bemoaning how it’s unfair that we are the only program with morals while other programs are willing to bend rules and coaches can foster relationships with successful wealthy people (all things gable did).
I am trying to not be harsh but is there something medically wrong with you? Something that causes you to argue reality until you are blue in the face and pass out?
So what if they were the favorites to win? They didn’t, just like the same team in 2022 didn’t win. And even if they would have won, it would make what difference?
**Incoming long winded response involving cherry picked stats and injuries, etc.**
I simply find your incessant whining comical and thoroughly enjoy egging it on. Was that a short enough response?
You folded that quickly? Instead of refuting anything I’ve said (you can’t) you pivot to lying about egging me on (you can’t, I deal with children everyday). You bore me.
And in 2022 they came into the NCAA tournament with known injuries to half of the team, and suffered another one or two there. In 2020 they finished B1Gs healthy and seeded to win by a margin big enough that they could afford some injuries or upsets. I've been trying to keep my ignore list smaller on this new board, but a few more posts like this thread and I might have to grow it some.
A valid criticism of Brands is the disproportionate amount of injuries his teams appear to suffer relative to say Penn State. How does a championship team sustain injuries to half their starters? Why are the wrestlers with a few exceptions not finishing their careers better?
What is our program doing differently in the room where McDonough, Lee, Kemmerer, Marianelli, St. John, teemer, Warner, cassioppi, are all doing worse at NCAAs as seniors than in previous years. How are these not fair questions to ask?
Better drugs at PSU?
Everything you said was already refuted at the beginning of this topic, along with tons of what Bob said and all the ACTUAL figures I have given.
As far as egging you on goes, the post I responded to where I brought up egging you on speaks volumes as to how well I was doing....
The simple truth is you are a crybaby, whiner and you don't deserve the Iowa wrestling program. Is Iowa perfect under Brands? Absolutely not. Are they considerably better than you portray? Absolutely.
Under Brands they have had a Finalist EVERY season. Until a couple of years ago they averaged MORE AA's than even PSU, per season. All of this has been done while the money gap between the 2 programs is MASSIVE and EVERY indication is that the athletic and compliance departments have NOT allowed Iowa to do some of the things PSU has done to get where they are now and what OkState is now doing.
Keep on whining and ignore what those actually close to the program on here clearly point out. It isn't like these guys are all Brands apologists. They simply know MUCH MORE than you about the character of the coaches and what they are allowed to do.
Thanks for this, I needed a good laugh today!
Do you know how many unbeatable teams I've seen who in my lifetime whether being in a tournament setting like this or say the World Series or Super Bowl?
Plenty , it why they play the games. That said Iowa would've been the favorite.
The injury thing is absolutely a valid concern. I have voiced it many times myself. However, most of your argument goes after him for not wrestling at the Salute, when it has been pretty open and obvious that was done for their training cycle. If that decision helps ensure they get to March healthier, isn't that a good thing?
As far as the guys you listed above Cass was caught up in the gambling farce so that is 100% disingenuous. Marinelli actually had his best finish his senior season. Lee defaulted after not being wired to run away with short time left, much like Dennis. Kemerer, St. John and Warner still AA'd top 5. McDonough had an incredibly debilitating injury for his wrestling style and still made R12. Teemer was a 1 year purchase and his body just fell apart. I have no clue how you blame Brands for Teemer, other than to say he shouldn't have brought him in, in the first place. ...
Again, out of all your whining, I do agree that the injuries have been a concern that need to somehow be addressed. So far, this season, I feel like Brands has really stressed trying to fix that part...
Going back to 2010 Iowa has had more AAs than PSU three times: 2010, 2015, and 2021. They have had the same number three times. PSU has had more than Iowa nine times.
The average argument leans heavily on 2010 when Iowa had 8 AA's to PSU's 3. If you look at rolling four or five year averages Iowa only leads in the very first set of years, again because of 2010.
Did I say they lead now? Of course you can pick stretches that would favor one over the other. Obviously with what PSU has done since 2021, they are now distancing themselves from EVERYONE. The current run is unreal and I have said as much. My point isn't to even fully compare Iowa to what PSU is now. They have become a true Unicorn. I truly believe they have surpassed Gable's run and have said as much.
Still, the point remains that they have actually been very competitive with PSU in multiple, important categories while Brands has been a coach. No other team or coaching staff can begin to say as much...
Finally, it wasn't to say the overall results were as good, or even all that close, as PSU blows everyone away with actual champions. But, it absolutely was meant to point out that Brands simply hasn't been NEARLY as bad as some on here try so hard to portray...
Still, the point remains that they have actually been very competitive with PSU in multiple, important categories while Brands has been a coach. No other team or coaching staff can begin to say as much...
Finally, it wasn't to say the overall results were as good, or even all that close, as PSU blows everyone away with actual champions. But, it absolutely was meant to point out that Brands simply hasn't been NEARLY as bad as some on here try so hard to portray...
AA's obviously, qualifiers and even Finalists. Mind you, in the champs category there is no question they aren't remotely close. But, no one is. Again, it isn't even to say Iowa is really all that close to PSU in the last decade or so. No one is. It is to simply show they are much closer than anyone else and NO WHERE near as bad as many on here keep trying to say. And that last part needs to be repeated over and over because the naysayers here keep glossing over or flat out ignoring that part...
