Makes sense.....but there's a little goal post moving going on there, too. ( see what I did there, heh).....
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My only change would be that a bowl year should never be considered a disappointing year at UK. My thoughts are just 1 win lower than your's. 6-avg, 7-good, 8 great, 9 and we're naming stuff after people.
This is at least for the next 4-5 years. I've stated before that 1 net win every 2 years is fine for building a program. Some people won't be happy with 6 wins next year, (we may win more this year) but going to a bowl 2 years in a row is healthy.
I move up to your numbers after we've gone to 3-4 bowls. The SEC will remain a power house and your metrics for success will take 3-4 more years. Btw - I will be ecstatic if I'm wrong ; -)
I'll type slower so you can keep up. Getting better QB play is the missing piece of the puzzle to get better. This really isn't hard to keep up with. Please show me where I say I wish we didn't have him? I'll wait.
BP has been very fair with stoops. The beginning of the season and the last games of last season were a complete train wreck. BP like many aren't jumping on the UK bandwagon, we were always on it- hoping, wishing, praying and WANTING stoops to turn the corner and make UK a legitimate program.
It did not look that five weeks ago and now we see how stoops can handle success. And we are all still hoping, wishing, praying and WANTING stoops to be that coach.
Even IF stoops turns out to be that guy; that still does not justify that crazy contract extension.
How many times are you going to flip your opinions. You are one of a handful of posters that will flop midthread. Or start two threads arguing both sides. I used to think you were a UL; but sadly...I think you don't see the feces you sling.
What? Are you Edgar Allen POS' big brother? I guess brianpos can't speak for himself so you have to...
Constantly downplaying our winning streak and saying these wins don't matter is not being fair with Coach Stoops.
Why don't you ask Coach Stoops if he thinks these last few wins are "no big deal" because those teams aren't ranked high enough.
Get off your high horse and give credit where credit is due...
His extension IS deserved...you know why? Because now we've turned the corner and we're building a legit contender for the SEC East moving forward.
That's what these last few wins say....
We're beating the lower teams in the SEC East and will keep beating them. We are now in the upper half of the SEC East. That's why Coach Stoops deserves his extension now.
It turns out, Mitch gambled to retain Stoops long term.....He probably gambled correctly.
Still waiting for you or one of the little minions that liked your post to tell me why a poster cannot:
Post their opinion of what constitutes a solid program by annual results?
An opinion is condescending in any way?
I was clear that I am very happy with 6-6 especially after the start we had.
Simply stated the seasons I think solid programs should have once they have built up to a certain level.
And after all I have gone through...really kind of stupid to call me a bandwagon fan.
@Deli owl @Kybluedude @allabouttheUK @law1127 @LawCat1989
If you guys have an opinion on what a successful program year in and year out looks like feel free to share.
Most here are not douchebags and will not tell you that you cannot offer your opinion on just about anything, especially something like the future you would hope to see out of the program.
Look forward to your replies..
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Do I need to repost the awful crap you spewed again?
Ban the games?
Stoops is a joke?
All you dimwit.
I never said the games didn't matter.
I always said this year we need 6.
I'm just being realistic about the teams we have beaten because they will not stay down so we must not settle, must continue to improve next year and every year.
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Totally agree.
We are not ready for my metrics.
These are once we have built up as well.
These are what I think we can max out at in the future after a few bowls.
Nice wins the past few weeks.......nice work Cats........ but I'm just curious about your post.......its a bit hazy. Are you saying the first extension was well deserved, and he now deserves another extension?
If Stoops turns out to be that guy, then I'm pretty sure the contract extension would be viewed as a great idea. I don't see any other way around that.
Absolutely pure ignorance going to seed and taking root:thumbsdown:
I know we would still go to a bowl at 6-6, but not beating a very beatable UGA and/or UT would be a tough way to close out conference play. It's very rare that we get handed a schedule like this on a golden platter....we have taken advantage of it so far (the Southern Miss game seems so long ago, I don't even consider it in this conversation), but we need to continue to take advantage of it. I love what this team has done, I'm still skeptical due to the quality of our opponants, but I loving the ride.
I'm glad we lost to southern miss instead of vandy or scarolina. Sec games are way more important and now we have a chance to get to Atlanta with a Lil help.
I asked a question, didn't make a statement on whatever you claimed. But you attitude is that we don't have the coaches & can't get the recruits to produce a quality QB: "We need to get a coach in here who can recruit the right QBs and develop them consistently.". I totally disagree. Gran & Hinshaw will get that done.
A win is a win. Mizzou is not a good team. Middle Tennessee had a back with 232 yards rushing against them. Ky still cannot put a poor team absent its leading defenders away but Saturday was close. Luckily the SEC east is not strong and UK may enjoy an upper tier standing now that a UT win appears at least achievable. That's great and these kids have had to endure a lot. Let them get to a bowl and enjoy it. And for those keeping track -- Matt Elam has been credited with one solo tackle - this year.
I like it for entertainment purposes, and also because its always a gut buster when two internet alphas accuse each other of what the other is doing. Choosing what to like in this thread is like picking between warm dog **** and not so warm dog ****. So I just kick back, smile and take pleasure in knowing the CATS are one win away from a bowl and 2nd in the East. Oh and there will be plenty of posts from me and
opcorn:If you take away the Southern Miss Game we have about what was a reasonable expectation this year.We have caught a few breaks in the area of scheduling,injuries to other teams and a down year in the SEC east. I don't mean t take anything away from what the team has done,quite the contrary,they have taken advantage of what was in front of them.
Doing what this team has done so far is a big deal,maybe how they have done it is an even bigger deal.They have literally come back from the dead after the first two games. Name a UK team that has done anything like this in the last 40 years(maybe one of Brooks'teams,but they didn't lose the only QB that had ever played a down at UK in the process)
We are still little more than an average team in a weak SEC east,but we had to get there before we could be any thing else. If we could somehow win 2 more games this(regular) season people would start talking about us. A seven win season + a bowl game would such a big deal. We aren't world beaters just yet,but we have made progress that the rest of college football can see and measure in wins and losses.
How do we finish the season and can we build on it in the immediate future are still questions that need positive answers.One would have to think that we are on the most solid foundation since the Brooks years,we will know if that is true by the way the rest of the season plays out.We don't have to win out (and probably won't) but if we can line up and compete in each of the remaining games we will know that something positive is indeed going on here.
Doing what this team has done so far is a big deal,maybe how they have done it is an even bigger deal.They have literally come back from the dead after the first two games. Name a UK team that has done anything like this in the last 40 years(maybe one of Brooks'teams,but they didn't lose the only QB that had ever played a down at UK in the process)
We are still little more than an average team in a weak SEC east,but we had to get there before we could be any thing else. If we could somehow win 2 more games this(regular) season people would start talking about us. A seven win season + a bowl game would such a big deal. We aren't world beaters just yet,but we have made progress that the rest of college football can see and measure in wins and losses.
How do we finish the season and can we build on it in the immediate future are still questions that need positive answers.One would have to think that we are on the most solid foundation since the Brooks years,we will know if that is true by the way the rest of the season plays out.We don't have to win out (and probably won't) but if we can line up and compete in each of the remaining games we will know that something positive is indeed going on here.
Over a ten year period I think UK should:
The majority be 7-5, sprinkle in an 8 or 9 win season. Know you'll have a 6-6 and an occasional 5-7.
The majority be 7-5, sprinkle in an 8 or 9 win season. Know you'll have a 6-6 and an occasional 5-7.
I would still disagree. It was not a smart business decision to give an unproven coach one of highest buyouts in all of college football. AT THAT TIME.
Even at six wins this year, it would not make sense.
Now let's say we some how get 8 wins (including bowl) and next year recruiting stays well and we get eight or nine next year. Hell, then give him that buyout and more
Considering that this season appears to be unusual with all the upsets and other things going on, I don't know if I should pinch myself or ask, Are we that good or are they (our opponents) that bad?
Regardless of their records, we have beaten four sex teams. No small feat. While vandy, usc, mizz, msu are not strong looking through the "sec" lens, compared to teams in other coferences the are at least average. Imo, it's darned nice that we have reached the point where we can beat average teams. We've made a lot of progress
I 100% agree with the OP. UK has done what it has needed to do...it took long enough. We should have made a bowl last year but could not beat a mediocre AU at home or win at hapless Vandy. We finally took the step in year 4 of winning all the key SEC games against teams more on our talent level. I'm hoping we can beat UGA and clinch a winning season, no matter what happens in the bowl game. Of course, we can really dream big if we were to beat UGA and then UT...that would be epic and clinch an 8 win regular season!
What an absolute stupid post. This OP hasn't a clue. Who do you think Darrin Hinshaw is in QB coaches? Coach Hinshaw is one of the most respected QB coaches in America.
For al you football gurus. Which QB has succeeded since Woodson and been great? I'm sorry you think we've had that but I just haven't seen it yet. I hope the new crew can and maybe they will. I'm not saying it till we see it. Take your damn blue shades off. It hasn't happened yet. If it has name who you've been happy with so far. I was last pleased with Woodson. That's my opinion. I could give a rats *** if you guys take your sports way too seriously to see we haven't had a great QB since then.
No your right. All of our QBs have been great because they wear blue. What was I thinking.
In from a drunken break.
Here's the thing, and really, I don't give a rats *** who cares, so save it.
UK has a record I didnt foresee in week 1, sue me.
The team looks better, although not a great team by any means. The SEC is WAY WAY down. And I mean, the east is the worst it's been in decades. The 07 UK team would have 10 wins this year with this schedule, with a chance at more.
I don't hate Stoops, I just don't think this window dressing is going to continue. In a typical east year, we will be lucky to have 6 wins, and I do mean lucky.
I'm a UK fan that believes with modern day recourses, something Uk has never had, we should be competing for the east on a somewhat regular basis. Every 3 years or so. I don't believe Stoops is capable of that. Why do I think that? Because he's in year 4 1/2 and this team is extremely average.
It's all about what YOU want as a fan. If beating teams with a combined record of 13-1,000 is all you want, then in typical SEC years you won't even go bowling, and thats the truth. 6-6 is not a successful season for any team, it just provided the networks revenue, which is why 6 win teams are allowed a bowl game today. It's not a measuring stick for success. Don't kid yourself.
The thing is, I will take it this year, and even next year. But when UK goes to the bottom when the real SEC creeps back up, don't say some didn't warn you. Stoops is going to go 1 of 2 ways. He's going to be really good, and prove some of us wrong, or he's going to set UK back 10 years. There will be no middle ground in the end.
We've beaten teams with horrible records, and slightly. Stoops has no signature wins. Will I take it? Yes. Does it mean much? Not really.
To be continued.
Here's the thing, and really, I don't give a rats *** who cares, so save it.
UK has a record I didnt foresee in week 1, sue me.
The team looks better, although not a great team by any means. The SEC is WAY WAY down. And I mean, the east is the worst it's been in decades. The 07 UK team would have 10 wins this year with this schedule, with a chance at more.
I don't hate Stoops, I just don't think this window dressing is going to continue. In a typical east year, we will be lucky to have 6 wins, and I do mean lucky.
I'm a UK fan that believes with modern day recourses, something Uk has never had, we should be competing for the east on a somewhat regular basis. Every 3 years or so. I don't believe Stoops is capable of that. Why do I think that? Because he's in year 4 1/2 and this team is extremely average.
It's all about what YOU want as a fan. If beating teams with a combined record of 13-1,000 is all you want, then in typical SEC years you won't even go bowling, and thats the truth. 6-6 is not a successful season for any team, it just provided the networks revenue, which is why 6 win teams are allowed a bowl game today. It's not a measuring stick for success. Don't kid yourself.
The thing is, I will take it this year, and even next year. But when UK goes to the bottom when the real SEC creeps back up, don't say some didn't warn you. Stoops is going to go 1 of 2 ways. He's going to be really good, and prove some of us wrong, or he's going to set UK back 10 years. There will be no middle ground in the end.
We've beaten teams with horrible records, and slightly. Stoops has no signature wins. Will I take it? Yes. Does it mean much? Not really.
To be continued.
Mississippi State looked pretty good today.... lol. Vandy wasn't too bad either.
Sec east has been terrible for awhile. Year 4 doesn't mean as much to me as your building a team with no tradition. It's not like a UT where you should be good again in 3 years because you already have a load of players, back ups, fan support, etc, from the start. 5 years is more realistic, most football insiders have said as much. It's not basketball. OUTSIDE of skill players you don't just have freshman and sophomores or even true juniors stepping right in dominating. This is a young team, one of the youngest in the country. Will Stoops get it there, not sure. Maybe not, but to assume bc KY is winning games against teams that arent good enough for you bc it's not a good enough margin, or if they win big again it's bc the opoonents arent good enough, thats remaining blind that thats how you build programs. Thats how you get there, thats how you get recruits, thats how you build the program up to be able to compete when the other teams build back up. Your automatically assuming UK won't build on this year while everyone else will because your obsessed and trapped in year 4 mantra. But the 4 year poutfest has been kinda funny aND nonsensical. Weird it's from the same ppl that complained about the recruiting classes not being high enough, yet UK is beating teams with better recruiting classes...which is it.
and we haven't played UL yet:scream:What?!
When!?
Why wasn't I informed of this!?
Rational post.., I just hope you are more wrong than right.
I do disagree on the "setting back ten years..." Even if next year is poor and he gets canned, the team is still better shape than when joker left.