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Let me say i am not one of those people...but for argument sake..name one thing you see that shows wevare poorly coached....i will start....Boom has never been taught to put ball in the off arm??? How can that be??
 
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Lack of 2nd half adjustments is the big one for me. Poor clock and game management. The team looks terribly prepared time after time. Besides recruiting I don't think stoops is good at anything. The player development has also been as weak as can be when you consider the highly touted classes.
 

1Blouman

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Lack of 2nd half adjustments is the big one for me. Poor clock and game management. The team looks terribly prepared time after time. Besides recruiting I don't think stoops is good at anything. The player development has also been as weak as can be when you consider the highly touted classes.
I don't think he's recruiting all that well. It's near the bottom of conference every year, same as it's always been. It's only highly touted by our fans.
 
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I don't think he's recruiting all that well. It's near the bottom of conference every year, same as it's always been. It's only highly touted by our fans.
Considering our resources. It's on par with what it should be I truly believe if Brooks had these resources his recruiting would've became much better than that of stoops right now, he'll we could've became our power house if we invested then we were at one time a very exciting school in football that could've CATapulted into much more, instead we wait forever to invest money and higher this CATostraphic head coach.. He certainly gets too much recruiting credit when you factor in the resources. And you're right we do finish near the bottom in the conference. Just meant our recruiting nationally in general, a lil better than before but I 100% credit that to the upgrades, and not stoops.
 

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If you can block and tackle, you are a good football player.
If you can't block and tackle, you are not a good football player.
Execution is based on skill and talent.

How come Calipari and his entire staff couldn't teach Marques Lee how to shoot free throws above a 50% clip? That question was never asked. It was clear to folks that Lee was simply not a good free throw shooter. People understand this and accept it.

Despite playing for years, with the best of coaching, there are players who can't hit over .220, .230, .240 in the Major League. No one calls out the coaching, because they can clearly see and know that the players cannot hit. People understand this and accept it.

If you do not possess the skill and talent to block and tackle in football, despite having been coached since peewee, then you simply aren't a good enough football player to perform well at high levels of competition. You cannot compete in the SEC.

Now, having said that, good coaching certainly cannot be under-emphasized. I just believe that, for the most part, skill and talent (good players) are the primary requirements for excellence on the football field. I question Kentucky's overall talent level, despite the stars and rankings, especially on the defensive side of the ball.
 
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Let me say i am not one of those people...but for argument sake..name one thing you see that shows wevare poorly coached....i will start....Boom has never been taught to put ball in the off arm??? How can that be??

You forgot to add...like Lamar Jackson does. This ends your streak of consecutive posts referencing UofL at 1152.
 
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I don't think he's recruiting all that well. It's near the bottom of conference every year, same as it's always been. It's only highly touted by our fans.
You would be wrong. We recruit at about the same level that Mississippi State has been, and they've had tons more success than us. Recruiting is not the problem, coaching is.
 
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morgousky

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If you can block and tackle, you are a good football player.
If you can't block and tackle, you are not a good football player.
Execution is based on skill and talent.

How come Calipari and his entire staff couldn't teach Marques Lee how to shoot free throws above a 50% clip? That question was never asked. It was clear to folks that Lee was simply not a good free throw shooter. People understand this and accept it.

Despite playing for years, with the best of coaching, there are players who can't hit over .220, .230, .240 in the Major League. No one calls out the coaching, because they can clearly see and know that the players cannot hit. People understand this and accept it.

If you do not possess the skill and talent to block and tackle in football, despite having been coached since peewee, then you simply aren't a good enough football player to perform well at high levels of competition. You cannot compete in the SEC.

Now, having said that, good coaching certainly cannot be under-emphasized. I just believe that, for the most part, skill and talent (good players) are the primary requirements for excellence on the football field. I question Kentucky's overall talent level, despite the stars and rankings, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

You are mixing a bag of items that are completely different and oversimplifying.

For one, You can take an average football player and make him a great tackler or blocker. Hell I've seen kids in high school that couldn't tie their own shoes when they came in and left being able to do those things well. Football is unique in that coaching during practice can manipulate a bad team to a good one. Example? Nick Saban would have NEVER lost to SMU with this Uk roster. Never.

Baseball is a whole other animal, especially in the Major Leagues. The speed/timing of the game and differences in college, singleA, DoubleA, TripleA, Pros is vast. If you cannot get above .240 hitting in the major leagues and are working with your hitting coaches/practicing daily, then you probably don't have the science in your game to do it. Baseball requires a TON of hand eye coordination and reflexes must be top notch. You can overcome this however, through extreme dedication, like David Eckstein. Even still, if a sports scientist actually broke down his baseball ability, he'd still be extremely rare in the areas mentioned above.
Tackling and blocking in football are nowhere near this concept.

Free throws are different that those as well. If you can't hit them and your body isn't pitifully built for them (Shaq) you can become a good free throw shooter, or at least a decent one. One of the issues today is coaching times have been cut down and things must be eliminated to make time for what has to be done. Due to the simplistic nature of free throws, coaches allow players to work on it on their own time. Was Lee in the gym early and late, with no one around working on it? Don't know, but probably not.

I agree Uk doesn't have the talent for even a guy like Saban to make them a Sugar Bowl team, but a good coach can absolutely change the way a team performs in the trenches, blocking, tackling, footwork, angles, etc. can be taught, especially at these sizes. We have a really bad coaching staff, I'm sorry to say.
 
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Ahhhhhhh classic umm. Never gets old, can't wait for basketball to start so you post every thought that comes in your head.
 
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seccats04

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You would be wrong. We recruit at about the same level that Mississippi State has been, and they've had tons more success than us. Recruiting is not the problem, coaching is.

That's true and Mullen is a much better coach than Stoops as evidenced by his 6 bowl games in 7 years at a school with a similar history and inheriting a similar dumpster fire. Plus he plays in the tougher West Division makes it even more impressive. But MSU is winning at all costs much like other successful programs are doing as evidenced by them enrolling their 5 star recruit Jeffrey Simmons after he was caught on video beating up his girlfriend. We OTOH kicked a player out of school over an allegation. We are not serious about football. That would've never happened to a UK basketball player.
 

megablue

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You are mixing a bag of items that are completely different and oversimplifying.

For one, You can take an average football player and make him a great tackler or blocker. Hell I've seen kids in high school that couldn't tie their own shoes when they came in and left being able to do those things well. Football is unique in that coaching during practice can manipulate a bad team to a good one. Example? Nick Saban would have NEVER lost to SMU with this Uk roster. Never.

Baseball is a whole other animal, especially in the Major Leagues. The speed/timing of the game and differences in college, singleA, DoubleA, TripleA, Pros is vast. If you cannot get above .240 hitting in the major leagues and are working with your hitting coaches/practicing daily, then you probably don't have the science in your game to do it. Baseball requires a TON of hand eye coordination and reflexes must be top notch. You can overcome this however, through extreme dedication, like David Eckstein. Even still, if a sports scientist actually broke down his baseball ability, he'd still be extremely rare in the areas mentioned above.
Tackling and blocking in football are nowhere near this concept.

Free throws are different that those as well. If you can't hit them and your body isn't pitifully built for them (Shaq) you can become a good free throw shooter, or at least a decent one. One of the issues today is coaching times have been cut down and things must be eliminated to make time for what has to be done. Due to the simplistic nature of free throws, coaches allow players to work on it on their own time. Was Lee in the gym early and late, with no one around working on it? Don't know, but probably not.

I agree Uk doesn't have the talent for even a guy like Saban to make them a Sugar Bowl team, but a good coach can absolutely change the way a team performs in the trenches, blocking, tackling, footwork, angles, etc. can be taught, especially at these sizes. We have a really bad coaching staff, I'm sorry to say.

I do not disagree that great coaching makes a huge difference. It would be foolish to argue otherwise. I just do not believe we have anywhere near enough SEC level talent. If the star and team rankings were legitimate, we should be performing better, despite the obvious lack of good coaching. If our players really are that good and the coaching really is that awful, their salaries, to use Bill Curry's words, are mind-boggling !!!!
 
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morgousky

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I do not disagree that great coaching makes a huge difference. It would be foolish to argue otherwise. I just do not believe we have SEC level talent, despite the coaching.

But we have the talent to line up correctly, make simple blocking assignments, tackle properly, manage time accordingly, run routes effectively, etc.

We have the talent to beat SM and the talent to not let NM gain 3 years worth of yards.

We have a horrific coaching staff. It's just the way it is. I honestly believe Stoops would win 7 or 8 games with Alabama's roster. I truly believe that.
 

JC CATS

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Lets F-ING SEE!! YEAR MOTHERF-ING 4 AND WE ARE AS BAD OR WORSE THAN YEAR 1 UNDER STOOPS! YEAR 4 AND WE CAN'T STOP A PISS ANT FROM RUNNING ON US! YEAR 4 AND ELAM HASNT DONE SQUAT! YEAR 4 AND WE STILL SUCK BIG DONKEY BALLZ!!!!
So we can put you under,"Blame the coach"? J/K I agree with all those points as well as can't motivate, make adjustments, manage the clock, line up correctly, hit the right gaps, oh hell, anything
 
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morgousky

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Motivation and leadership is REQUIRED to be a head football coach. It is mandatory. If you lack at it, you're a life long coordinator.

StOOPS.
 

megablue

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But we have the talent to line up correctly, make simple blocking assignments, tackle properly, manage time accordingly, run routes effectively, etc.

We have the talent to beat SM and the talent to not let NM gain 3 years worth of yards.

We have a horrific coaching staff. It's just the way it is. I honestly believe Stoops would win 7 or 8 games with Alabama's roster. I truly believe that.

  • Again, I don't disagree with most of what you say, agreeing 100% about the effectiveness and impact of good, solid coaching. Clearly, we should be doing better, but I am simply not convinced that we have a quality roster of players. Neal Brown and Shannon Dawson both seem to be doing very well in their new positions. The general consensus is that both didn't do that well here. What is the difference? In my mind, the talent level that is being asked to compete against SEC teams and a really good Louisville team, is deficient. It is all we can do to win a couple of conference games now, when the East Division has been weaker than I can ever recall, having been a fan and followed Kentucky football for over 55 years now. Yes, the coaching is "horrific" but our talent is vastly overrated, imho.
 
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Ctroberts1024

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Well, he does have a huge brace that goes from his detoid down to his forearm. But hey, some people are just oblivious to everything going on.
 

CatsCats78

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No in game adjustments whatsoever. Terrible fundamental skills, And laying all of the blame for our bad play on the players. Sounds like great coaching and leadership to me. Stoops Troops!!!
 

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Let me say i am not one of those people...but for argument sake..name one thing you see that shows wevare poorly coached....i will start....Boom has never been taught to put ball in the off arm??? How can that be??
honestly, moving the ball to the "off arm" is discouraged by most runningback coaches now. The ball is to be carried high and tight and then not to be moved.