For Those Who Want Stoops Fired
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Why? The second part of your post is exactly why he should be let go. 4 years in and this is still a problem. Why?
Yep, it's year #4 and we just got spanked by an OC Stoops chucked in year 3.
Stoops sounded like he knew he was done during the post game presser. He sounded very mellow. You could tell he was thinking that his chances of turning this around are about dead now.
Yeah, we cant find a dynamic up and coming coach to take our $4 million a year. Impossible.
Impressive necro. There are a lot of people out there who should be embarrassed.
he said 'after year 3' so it doesn't sound like he's been here as long as he has.
Screwduke1 dug this thread back up. This thread is from Dec 2015. He must have a,lot of spare time on his hands.
The last time we had some consistency in a head coach, we seemed to do OK. I think the same crowd on this thread clamoring for Stoops to be canned were probably the same clowns calling for Brooks' head as well.
Allow the guy five years and then evaluate. He has not embarrassed the program in any way off the field or done anything to warrant being fired.
Yes, we all would love a winning program, but we are UK Football at the end of the day. When does basketball season start?
Allow the guy five years and then evaluate. He has not embarrassed the program in any way off the field or done anything to warrant being fired.
Yes, we all would love a winning program, but we are UK Football at the end of the day. When does basketball season start?
I keep seeing all these posts and threads about Defensive schemes, asst coaches, special teams, Defensive Coordinator. Let's change something, anything that will mix things up and tell the AD and fans that change is coming. Like a politician that keeps promising change but it never comes but the lemmings keep waiting.
You know what ?? Everything starts with the head coach. The leadership, the vision, the ability to finish a game. The toughness to be tougher in the 3rd and 4th quarter than your opponent. That is all instilled by the culture and direction of head coach.
We don't have that. The solution is always, fire the OC, move on to the next assistant, let's try an assistant from Louisville, new coordinators, new whistles, new schemes.
Guess what ? The only thing that is not changing is Stoops is still the head coach and we are still performing the same way. How many games over the last 3 years have we lost the game in 3rd or 4th quarter, what abotu 4th quarter ? I count at least 12-13 games.
That comes from the leadership, or lack thereof from the head coach. Big Blue Nation, we need to wake up and realize now that this guy is not the right fit for our team and program. It will not get better, but worse.
You know what ?? Everything starts with the head coach. The leadership, the vision, the ability to finish a game. The toughness to be tougher in the 3rd and 4th quarter than your opponent. That is all instilled by the culture and direction of head coach.
We don't have that. The solution is always, fire the OC, move on to the next assistant, let's try an assistant from Louisville, new coordinators, new whistles, new schemes.
Guess what ? The only thing that is not changing is Stoops is still the head coach and we are still performing the same way. How many games over the last 3 years have we lost the game in 3rd or 4th quarter, what abotu 4th quarter ? I count at least 12-13 games.
That comes from the leadership, or lack thereof from the head coach. Big Blue Nation, we need to wake up and realize now that this guy is not the right fit for our team and program. It will not get better, but worse.
You post some good things at times but this is as silly a post as I've seen. So because South Carolina did a bad job we are now to believe there is no such thing as a good hire? South Carolina was higher than Houston at one point. How did they get a better coach?
And right now I'd take Muschamp. Stoops has never beaten him and probably will lose this year. Besides USC won their opener. And they didn't look like half the dumpster fire that we look like right now. We embarrassed not only ourselves last night but the entire league. That was an absolutely shameful performance last night. The sad thing is that it's not the first time we've pulled that crap under Stoops. It seems to be repetitive.
Side note: USM was an awful team to put on the schedule. I get that our options were limited, but was Southern Miss really the best (or worst, depending on how you look at it) we could do?
Kinda feel bad for the OP.
Spent a good 2 hours on this post.
Luckily I've grown to be apathetic toward UK football. I slept just fine last night after one of the most embarrassing nights in our history.
Spent a good 2 hours on this post.
Luckily I've grown to be apathetic toward UK football. I slept just fine last night after one of the most embarrassing nights in our history.
The only problem with this is Coach Stoops. He said it on his radio post game show last night. He doesn't know what to do! I appreciate him taking the blame - but if he can't fix it - then he needs to go - NOW! He needs to coach the Florida game like this is his last game! Forget all the basic rules - go for broke. Never punt, do onside kicks, fake field goals, etc. Show the team he is going to try to win - and either they buy in or go home!
I guess the question of when to change coaches is more about philosophy than winning football. I will phrase it in a different manner. If you were a doctor and you had a patient that was dying, would you make him comfortable and let him die and live a bed ridden life for 18 months or would you try a treatment that has been successful with other patients that would save his life? This is how I feel about UK football and Mark Stoops now. Continuing with Mark Stoops now is just prolonging the inevitable. We waited an extra year on Joker - when most everyone knew it wasn't going to work - how did that work out for us? We went from having a .500 record to back to back 2-10 seasons and the program in a shambles. Do you really think that Mark Stoops will turn it around? If so, then ok. But if you think that we have to "honor" our commitment and give him 5 or more years just because - then I would highly disagree with you.
Southern Mississippi was a good team IMO, but it isn't the loss here that was so bothersome - it is how it happened. Just think, if we had been behind 44 to 0 and came back to lose by this score - how different the feelings of the fans would have been. We would have been going into the Florida game thinking we might have turned the corner - this is why you have to change coaches NOW. Just think - 6 of the last 7 games we have played the team totally collapsed late in the first half and the entire second half???!!!!!!! You can't blame that on Shannon Dawson now!
Now ask yourself this question, since your brought it up as a positive for Mark Stoops. How many Joker recruits started last night? How many are in the two deep? How many players on the roster didn't play for Joker? I think this argument doesn't hold any water. This IS Stoops team! If you remember, it took a fan boycott to to boot Joker. The fans are or soon will be doing it again. I have never seen such much unhappiness on the football boards as is the case right now. It was probably just as bad with the end of Joker's era - but this seems worse. I think this is because we have made so much commitment to football now. The difference this time in hiring a coach is you can't tell me that a Coaching prospect can question the commitment that UK has made to football. Mark Stoops has done for UK what John Ray did - get us some competitive facilities - now we need to repeat history and to go hire another Fran Curci - and win some games! By the way, what Curci was accused of then, wouldn't even get a look from the NCAA today.
It is time we go after a winner. I think I would go after Jeff Brohm right now. He has proven himself as a head coach - something as other posters have mentioned - we haven't hired recently - a current successful HEAD coach. Some people don't think Jeff Brohm would come to UK - but for $ 4 million a year - I think you are wrong. He knows Kentucky and this area , he can point to his success and he has to believe that Petrino is going to be at Louisville for a long, long time and that job may not open up for at least a decade. Even if UL opens up, if he is doing well at UK, I don't think he would leave - but if he did - so what- it isn't like we have had great stability with coaches here is it? He is winning with much less talent than is on this football team now! I know it is not the same schedule - but you have to say he has been around winning football coaches and programs. He is probably going to be a winner in the long run - and has a great family background. If you think he is cocky, which I don't know anything about - that is ok. Name me one successful head coach who isn't cocky - just think about Coach Cal - do you think he is cocky - I do. Heck, those great Trinity players might just become very interested in UK instead of UL for a change!
Go Big Blue!
I thought when Stoops was hired that we would get a defense that could compete in the SEC ,,, Eliot needs to go
I see there are some posters in this thread that keep saying Stoops is unfireable due his buyout. Wait until that stadium has about 15,000 in it for a game(like Vandy a few years ago)and we shall see if that Buyout comes to fruition.
As previously mentioned, the money UK gets from the SEC Network makes the attendance from game day less of an issue to deal with.
I've become apathetic towards sports' losses in general for the most part as I have gotten older. I didn't get that upset at all after the IU game this year in b-ball either. Now Wisconsin the year before? Uh yeah. I guess it is relative to expectations. I am also a Titans' fan and certainly am used to them losing. It just is what it is...life goes on. Ultimately it is just a game we watch for entertainment, nothing more, nothing less.
The difference in Missouri / USC and UK football is the administration and fans. They won't accept this, period. They are willing to not only invest but hire winners and demand excellence.
If we fall short while doing those things, fine. I can live with that. But we are not doing that. We are content, willing to give dumpster fire hires half a decade or more, willing to hire no name coordinators, willing to accept mediocrity.
Until we have an AD That demands excellence, DEMANDS IT, our fans won't believe and our team will be the doormat.
You don't need intelligence or a 10 page post to understand this.
If we fall short while doing those things, fine. I can live with that. But we are not doing that. We are content, willing to give dumpster fire hires half a decade or more, willing to hire no name coordinators, willing to accept mediocrity.
Until we have an AD That demands excellence, DEMANDS IT, our fans won't believe and our team will be the doormat.
You don't need intelligence or a 10 page post to understand this.
But they are so moral. It gives me goosebumps every time we lose the right way. It's so noble. So satisfying.
I hope stoops turns this around, but it seems clear to me he is in over his head. Time and time again he loses the second half- when coaching really matters. He gets out coached - time and again at the half.
Look- I was for Petrino and I get that his ship has sailed. So lets talk about what we can hire- we don't need a big name. But we need a winner. I'm tired of people like Matt Jones acting like Stoops is the best we can get. No, Stoops had never been a head coach before and its clear he is in over his head. Joker had never been a head coach before and he was in over his head.
So go down to Division 2 and hire a proven winner- a proven HEAD COACH. Go hire Appalachian State's head coach. Just get someone with proven head coach experience who has won- even if at a different level.
Barnhart screwed up another hire- let him go too so he doesn't mess up the next one.
Look- I was for Petrino and I get that his ship has sailed. So lets talk about what we can hire- we don't need a big name. But we need a winner. I'm tired of people like Matt Jones acting like Stoops is the best we can get. No, Stoops had never been a head coach before and its clear he is in over his head. Joker had never been a head coach before and he was in over his head.
So go down to Division 2 and hire a proven winner- a proven HEAD COACH. Go hire Appalachian State's head coach. Just get someone with proven head coach experience who has won- even if at a different level.
Barnhart screwed up another hire- let him go too so he doesn't mess up the next one.
That sounds great in theory. Let's see what happens when they lose that money and look like laughing stocks.
This is actually true...sadly. Most of the major revenue UK brings in is from season tickets and donations, which are already a sunk cost at this point. The single game sales and concessions honestly doesn't bring in as much money as one would think. The only way to make a big dent is by not renewing season tickets, not donating, or big donors not funding facility projects.
This is flat out false. In all walks. I don't know who's repeating this, but it's a complete lie.
Divide ticket sales by 60'000 and multiply it times 6 or 7. If you think that doesn't add up and play a huge role, you're living on Neptune
I really enjoy people doing the deep research, going into the archives to pull out the old threads and making them relevant to current events.
Sadly we are no better off now than where we last December.
Sadly we are no better off now than where we last December.
I'll give Stoops credit for his recruiting his first couple years. The Boom, Barker, Elam, etc commits were HUGE. But unfortunately recruiting and performance on the field go hand in hand. You can only sell "come help us turn this thing around" to recruits for so long before the smoke and mirrors game is caught on to by future recruits. When you only win 4-5 games a year, every year it's only a matter of time before the recruiting starts to level off. Then you're left with midocre players and a coach and staff that can't coach. Not a good recipe in the SEC. We need to get out ahead of this situation early before Mizzou/SC regain the momentum they've lost. JMO.
nobody "wants" to fire stoops. but damn, if its proven that he cant coach thats what has to happen. non of us "want" to be in this position, having this discussion.