Ford Raptor
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I guess that's how they operate their business though. Once they're done testing the vehicle they don't need it anymore. I think I would have kept it.
Installed the tuner today…took it from the factory 450 HP to 552 HP (according to the literature). Put this boy in sport mode, and he can run!
I installed a ported 302 intake,, S&B CAI,, running a Borla straight through exhaust with cat delete and a 89 octane Oz tune and I'm pushing 475+.. Fun busting stangs,, camaros and dodges assess.. They left that 5.0 to add all kindsa HP.. A Whipple supercharger with CAI and a tune will put the 5.0 at around 725 HP.. Ford also came out with a factory 2022 5.0 Whipple supercharged 700 HP off the lot so shouldn't be hard to get it to 800 HP..
Crazy how tame the factory tunes are for most vehicles. The 5.0L V8 in an F150 is the same engine Ford puts in the GT500 Mustang. The Mustang gets almost twice the HP as the truck. Tuning gives an extra punch to turbos…+102 HP in my case. Still more I could do, but not sure how far I’ll take it
Loved mine. Loved loved loved… sold it right before the pandemic hit. So glad I did with everything going on right now with gas prices
The whipple supercharged runs mid/low 10s in a 1/4.. I'm running high 12s just with what I've got in mine (CAI,, Boss 302 intake,, Oz tune,, complete muffler/cat delete with straight through Borla) which is lil over grand.. Pretty good for big *** full size truck..
TFL testing the bigger diesels and they made the comment that nobody really thinks GM will compete. Then they said something to the effect that it's really between Ford and Dodge and not Ford and Dodge and GM. Those are not my words.
I have a 2020 Ram North Edition, amazing truck.
Dodge has changed the truck game the same way Ford did with the new gen F150's some years back.
I think Dodge has the best truck on the road and not even close.
Dodge has changed the truck game the same way Ford did with the new gen F150's some years back.
I think Dodge has the best truck on the road and not even close.
Dodge doesn’t hold value very well, so I think that says a lot. Plus, my brother is an engineer and he’s worked with all the automotive companies. Dodge’s quality is poor compared to Ford and Toyota….nod to Ford for better fit and finish.
Is this why Ram broke out on their own and no longer are called Dodge Ram, just Ram now.
Subaru holds great value.. I bought an '18 new at 23k.. Just sold it with 50k miles for 25k on carvana..
My family has been in the car business for 57 years. My grandfather went to General Motors College and had several dealerships.
Even though my family has sold GMC for half a century or more, My entire family drives Toyota including my grandfather before he died. It’s by far the best combination for longevity, price, outdoor ability, and gas savings depending on what it is.
Can’t completely agree with your brothers assessment. The used sections at our lots held Ford and we had massive callbacks and problems constantly. We didn’t offer much trade in value for Fords. As far as Toyota Vs. Ford that’s not even a competition. Toyota is well beyond a Ford.
Ford trucks are definitely better quality than anything else they sell, mainly their tractor truck lines. Besides that, in my experience, it’s a hard pass. Dodge’s are really tight these days but you’ll definitely need to be a trader. If I’m pretty well off I’d be Dodge over Ford these days. But if not I doubt it. If I was just a regular guy looking for a good truck at a decent price I’d be buying a GMC.
I don’t know much about the Raptors. Nice truck though, congrats.
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Subaru’s have really come a long way. Wouldn’t think about giving my Toyota’s for them but they’ve still come a long way. I’d say Kia and Subaru have come the furthest of anyone, with Nissan taking the biggest nose dive. Still amazed at the amount of people that buy those thinking it’s still a top brand. Total junk.
Can't agree with much of this, my experience has been just the opposite, I have owned multiple Ram trucks.
I traded my 2008 Ram 2500 Hemi, 6 speed manual 4x4 when I bought my current truck and I received $12K for it 2 years ago. It had over 130K miles on it.
My current truck has strong equity that has remained consistent.
Ram is currently on a 3 year run as MT truck of the year and is consistent in JD Powers quality assessments. Plus best ride and interior in its class.
Not the same Ram of decades past.
Modern Dodge is a superior truck to Ford. That’s really just not arguable. The flip side is Dodge, with miles, is fairly high maintenance. It’s a traders truck, not typically a keeper.
Ford’s bread and butter is in tractor trucks. Can’t argue with them there, but everything else in my experience which is lengthy in business, pass. Ford regular duty trucks are notorious for issues. It was really bad in the 2006-2009 models. We nearly stopped taking f150 trades. Sold one to a friend in 2010 and he had to tear the top of the motor out to do repairs. Truck had around 60K miles and it cost him nearly 10k. Wasn’t our fault though, we took a bath in several of them.
I highly prefer Toyota safari vehicles to all of it, but I would definitely own a nice dodge today as long as I was into trading. But I probably won’t ever come off Toyota. I prefer smaller trucks that last half a million miles. I still have an old highlander from 2002 just hit 20 years. 338,000+ miles. I threw some tires on it to just Jack around in and prep camp with. Interior looks like it’s 7 years old.
I’ve never replaced anything on it except a few minor things and battery and bought it with 80K. I’d take it anywhere. My Corolla is worth so much right now it’s crazy. Gas has made them highly sought after. My newer Tacoma TDR sits and I’ll probably have it forever. Pay them off and keep. Probably gonna grab a Toyota Corolla Cross or RAV4 TDR. Those Corolla crosses are really cool great on gas and tight. Extremely economical with extended room. Perfect for the road miles.
Did I mention I really like Toyota? Might explain more about them in the next post.
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I wouldn't say Subaru has came too far.. Always been dependable and getting 300k+ miles has been there since the 80s far as I can remember.. Usually first thing people comment on is motor longevity.. Had a teacher in high school bought one in the 80s.. Sumbitch still going on same motor at 550k miles.. Sub I had I'd put up against any 4x4.. Almost 12" ground clearance,, it'd go anywhere long as turned traction control off.. I'm wanting the Outback series now.. Nissan,, they junk..
You guys are defending your brand loyalty via personal experience. If you cite JD Power as a legit data source, you may not know how that process works
Here’s two real examples of Dodge quality: (1) Warped valve cover tooling…Dodge elected to use 2 gaskets instead of investing in new tooling. (2). Another guy I worked with was a Chrysler CI engineer…they rent amusement park parking lots to stage vehicles so they can correct mfg defects prior to shipping
Also, I was responsible for the 3rd largest commercial fleet in Indiana…3,000 pieces of rolling stock. Shared industry data showed maintenance$$/mile for Dodge was the highest among all brands. Dodge also offered the deepest fleet discount to offset that, but we settled on GM because it’s a middle ground between initial purchase price and TCO.
Ford barely discounts and Toyota doesn’t at all.
Ive personally owned a Dodge, and it didn’t give me any trouble, but too much data points to them not paying much attention to quality
Here’s two real examples of Dodge quality: (1) Warped valve cover tooling…Dodge elected to use 2 gaskets instead of investing in new tooling. (2). Another guy I worked with was a Chrysler CI engineer…they rent amusement park parking lots to stage vehicles so they can correct mfg defects prior to shipping
Also, I was responsible for the 3rd largest commercial fleet in Indiana…3,000 pieces of rolling stock. Shared industry data showed maintenance$$/mile for Dodge was the highest among all brands. Dodge also offered the deepest fleet discount to offset that, but we settled on GM because it’s a middle ground between initial purchase price and TCO.
Ford barely discounts and Toyota doesn’t at all.
Ive personally owned a Dodge, and it didn’t give me any trouble, but too much data points to them not paying much attention to quality
Nope not defending a brand. This is my experience being in the automobile business personally since 2004, and my family has been in since the 50’s. My grandfather until the day he died called vehicles “units” just to explain how deep my family rolls in it. I’m glad to be out of the business, we sold out including notes the day he died 2 years ago.
I’m shooting it straight. I even said I have fairly no experience with Raptors. That’s the one Ford Truck I honestly can’t tell you.
“Other than that” Ford as a make is a tough sell when compared to the competition. That’s not a new concept though, and there are many people who still buy them and still do well. Don’t take it personally it’s not worth it with vehicles.
ps - Dodge has always had its share of issue that’s why I said it’s a traders, not a keepers, truck. But it’s probably the best looking truck on the road these days (subjective) and they’ve come a long way since the old Ram days. If someone said they’re looking for longevity with little maintenance, Dodge is not where I’d send them. If they’re fairly well off to a certain degree and tell me they want the bad boy that looks hot and streamline / want to trade every so often, I’d say Dodge is fine just make sure to trade.
If they tell me they’re a pitchfork farmer and need a truck to handle everything that comes their way, I’d recommend King Ranch.
If they tell me they want the best for longevity, collectors value, popular, off-roading, camping, all in all just a do it all make they can keep as long as they live, obviously it’s Toyota.
Not pumping a thing. Congrats on the new truck, I only commented because some people in the thread are off the tracks wrong. I mean for anyone to think Nissan is still neck and neck with Toyota? They haven’t been paying attention. I’d buy an old Mercury before I’d ever put my *** in a modern Nissan.
If I wanted a half ton American truck and didn’t want to trade too much but some, I’d just go GMC. Not a knock on your truck, Raptors are a pretty person specific buy.
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Well, I certainly value the opinion of a car salesman
*******monitors the thread and wonders if Scottj is being convinced and is he ready to trade the new Ford in and find out where my family GMC dealership is”.
I’m a lot like Calipari. You can trust me. I’m not in it to win it, only to make sure your family’s situation improves.
The cost of a new pickups costs $40,000 to $70,000 nowadays especially if you buy Toyota.
This site (Long Term Quality Index) is a great (and interesting) resource for analyzing long term quality.
I have no idea about the true relative quality of trucks in today's market. My personal assumption based on defect rates is that there is not enough difference between brands that the average consumer could tell the difference. Now how they hold up over time might be a different matter but anecdotal evidence won't tell you much. That being said, you do realize you are talking about experience with F150s that happened 13 to 16 years ago?
Im aware. But I’ve got a lot of experience with Fords from later than that, we just stopped taking so many in because they’re too difficult to keep operational on the note than say a GMC or definitely a Toyota.
By tuner do you mean the little chip thing that you hook up to the computer?
Ive really wanted a truck for a while and I damn sure deserve it for myself....but damn...I was expecting like 40-50k for the best thing on the lot. Theres 8 different kinds of F-150s, all with some kind of theme. It looks like the best engines are the 3.5 EcoBoost(450hp) and the TI-VCT-V8 with 400....HP....now why in the world would someone want a V8 that delivers quite a bit less than the 3.5 Ecoboost? Just to say they have it??
Now I see the Lighting had 563hp??? I thought the Raptor was brought in the to take the Lightning's place. 563 is one hell of a number(yet it runs in mid 4s? fo 0-60? I get they weigh alot but 563 HP should take you anywhere in less than 4 seconds 0-60). But please explain all of this **** to me.
Just went though a 'build my own' and it was over 6 figures. That just blowing my mind.
Maybe I'll just get a used Bentley.
The tuner plugs into the port under the dash and uploads a new set of performance parameters (shift patterns, overrides the factory engine settings, etc). It’s especially impactful on a turbo engine