Former Duke player accused of rape.

[KopiKat]

I’m just playing devils advocate on here, so don’t shoot the messenger, but is there a chance she went to the dean because of the high profile of the person she was accusing? If it was just another guy on campus, sure, that seems odd, but a major nationally well known basketball player? I don’t think it’s completely out of question. Not enough to convince me it’s a false accusation.

Another devil's advocate, blue or otherwise, might suggest very obviously that Cory Magette was among the very last boys on any college campus who would be any any want for a piece of tail. More likely to have young tarts doing everything they could to strap it on him. And that a very good plenty probably did. So many, that the likelihood of many of them feeling scorned for not receiving enough or any emotional reward afterward is extremely high, so high that any one of those might turn that scorn into some form of lasting fury. Since we're advocating for the devil here. That door swings both ways, and how.

 

[KopiKat]

What seems to be absent in this thread discussion, and for the life of me I don't know why, is any speculation on how Mr. Fairfax was aware in 2000 that Ms. Watson had been raped the previous year. How would he know this? Ms. Watson told more than just the Dean about it is what we are to believe. Who did she tell? Why? Or are we to speculate that her 1999 rapist, Mr. Magette, told on himself? And why in this story is there no component of Ms. Watson's shock and horror, upon discovering that Mr. Fairfax had knowledge of her previous sexual assault?

Fairfax being labeled as a rapist targeting rape victims? Interesting. My bet is this is how the whole thing goes away. She will be completely discredited as a result of not being able to come up with another person who can say in 2000 had knowledge of what happened to her in 1999.

 

[trav55_rivals214556]

Another devil's advocate, blue or otherwise, might suggest very obviously that Cory Magette was among the very last boys on any college campus who would be any any want for a piece of tail. More likely to have young tarts doing everything they could to strap it on him. And that a very good plenty probably did. So many, that the likelihood of many of them feeling scorned for not receiving enough or any emotional reward afterward is extremely high, so high that any one of those might turn that scorn into some form of lasting fury. Since we're advocating for the devil here. That door swings both ways, and how.

So because he could get it anywhere means he wouldn’t have needed to sexually assault anyone? Like bill Cosby? Or the countless others who have been accused of sexual assault?

I wish people would try as hard to prove someone did something as they do coming up with theories as to why someone is lying. I HOPE she is lying. I HOPE she wasn’t raped. But if you just look at why someone could’ve made something up every time there’s an accusation, you’ll never believe anyone is guilty unless it’s a poor crazy male with a previous criminal past, but that’s just not how it works. Maybe in a perfect world, but If you’re just assuming she’s lying because he had women throwing themselves at him and he didn’t need to assault anyone, that’s a dangerous stance to take, but just make sure you’re consistent with that whenever anyone is accused of something.

Yes, due process is necessary here, but that TOO goes both ways. Most people saying “innocent until proven guilty” are also calling her a liar before she’s proven guilty of lying as well.

 

[KopiKat]

So because he could get it anywhere means he wouldn’t have needed to sexually assault anyone? Like bill Cosby? Or the countless others who have been accused of sexual assault?

I wish people would try as hard to prove someone did something as they do coming up with theories as to why someone is lying. I HOPE she is lying. I HOPE she wasn’t raped. But if you just look at why someone could’ve made something up every time there’s an accusation, you’ll never believe anyone is guilty unless it’s a poor crazy male with a previous criminal past, but that’s just not how it works. Maybe in a perfect world, but If you’re just assuming she’s lying because he had women throwing themselves at him and he didn’t need to assault anyone, that’s a dangerous stance to take, but just make sure you’re consistent with that whenever anyone is accused of something.

Yes, due process is necessary here, but that TOO goes both ways. Most people saying “innocent until proven guilty” are also calling her a liar before she’s proven guilty of lying as well.

We were both engaging in reasonable conjecture, sir. Anticipating how a man might stand accused and how he might present his defense. These things are real, regardless of whether you like only the accuser's side from moral basis. I prefer neither side over the other, only the preservation of the process, as that is all that is to be had.

Cosby. Great example. Go with that. And why exactly was he found guilty? Because of multiple, repeated allegations. Do you for a minute think Bill Cosby would have been found guilty in a sample of 1?

All doors swing both ways. When some tart accuses your son or grandson of innuendo-based misdeed then you need to be consistent yourself, throw process clean out the window in favor of the potential victim simply based on message and message alone.

 

[trav55_rivals214556]

We were both engaging in reasonable conjecture, sir. Anticipating how a man might stand accused and how he might present his defense. These things are real, regardless of whether you like only the accuser's side from moral basis. I prefer neither side over the other, only the preservation of the process, as that is all that is to be had.

Cosby. Great example. Go with that. And why exactly was he found guilty? Because of multiple, repeated allegations. Do you for a minute think Bill Cosby would have been found guilty in a sample of 1?

All doors swing both ways. When some tart accuses your son or grandson of innuendo-based misdeed then you need to be consistent yourself, throw process clean out the window in favor of the potential victim simply based on message and message alone.

I haven’t thrown due process out the window at all. I haven’t even said whether I think it’s true or not. I don’t have an opinion there. My original point was just because she went to the dean, doesn’t mean she’s lying because “why would she go to a dean instead of police”. I was simply stating why I think it possibly made sense.

To go a little further, I also don’t think maggette is guilty because of an accusation. It takes a lot more proof for someone to be guilty. I’m just saying for someone to assume that she’s lying because of who she went to is irresponsible and ignorant .

 

[KopiKat]

I haven’t thrown due process out the window at all. I haven’t even said whether I think it’s true or not. I don’t have an opinion there. My original point was just because she went to the dean, doesn’t mean she’s lying because “why would she go to a dean instead of police”. I was simply stating why I think it possibly made sense.

To go a little further, I also don’t think maggette is guilty because of an accusation. It takes a lot more proof for someone to be guilty. I’m just saying for someone to assume that she’s lying because of who she went to is irresponsible and ignorant .

Keep in mind that guilt is not even in the equation here. Nobody has been charged with anything. Long past SOL to allow for any criminal process against either Fairfax or Magette. What is on the line is Mr. Fairfax's job as Lt. Gov. And the Kavanaugh proceeding isn't comparable because Mr. Fairfax is not being appointed. He has already been elected. He already HAS the post. For him to voluntarily resign would be an admission of guilt. For him to be removed would require some form of impeachment process by the Virginia legislature. And NONE of those things are going to happen now, and why? Because she claims the Mr. Fairfax had knowledge of the Magette rape. Fine. Prove that. If he, as a student, knew of it, then other students had to have also. Find one. Just one. If she can't, she's lying.

 

[trav55_rivals214556]

Keep in mind that guilt is not even in the equation here. Nobody has been charged with anything. Long past SOL to allow for any criminal process against either Fairfax or Magette. What is on the line is Mr. Fairfax's job as Lt. Gov. And the Kavanaugh proceeding isn't comparable because Mr. Fairfax is not being appointed. He has already been elected. He already HAS the post. For him to voluntarily resign would be an admission of guilt. For him to be removed would require some form of impeachment process by the Virginia legislature. And NONE of those things are going to happen now, and why? Because she claims the Mr. Fairfax had knowledge of the Magette rape. Fine. Prove that. If he, as a student, knew of it, then other students had to have also. Find one. Just one. If she can't, she's lying.

You make a fair point. We’ll see how it plays out. I understand the skepticism because of past accusations against people like kavanaugh that never seemed to have merit either. So it’s not outrageous to think she’s lying, but we’ll just have to wait and see.

In other news, Louisville is sexually assaulting duke right now on national tv.

 

[KopiKat]

You make a fair point. We’ll see how it plays out. I understand the skepticism because of past accusations against people like kavanaugh that never seemed to have merit either. So it’s not outrageous to think she’s lying, but we’ll just have to wait and see.

In other news, Louisville is sexually assaulting duke right now on national tv.

It isn't easy, is it? Shaping one's own reason from the ambiguity of accusation, innuendo, time, fame, risk/reward opportunities and within all of that the possibility that something may have actually occured, but what exactly? And why is it that Ms. Watson is only assaulted by persons of celebrity? These are not unreasonable musings. Or are there other persons by whom she was sexually assaulted? If so, why is she "raped" so frequently? Maybe she did take it to the Dean. Maybe after hearing her story, her version, her concept of "rape" .... maybe the Dean actually advised her well, not to take it any further.

 

[Big John Stud]

So whatever happened with this. It's like people stopped caring because the media didn't really cover it or make it a big deal. Funny how that works.