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For years, like 13. You'd think they would have found out he never worked for the CIA but they were probably too busy trying to prove Obama was a Muslim and Hillary ordered the hit on Benghazi.
 
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They could have always forged documents like the credible news sources have, or had anchors making up stories.:rolleyes:
 
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RichardPeterJohnson said:
Apparently, Fox News brings him on to bring insight to complex security, terrorism, and intelligence matters so that their viewers have a greater understanding of the issues of the day. Maybe this is why Fox has shown to be the least accurate TV news organization out there.
http://aattp.org/politifact-study-fox-news-lies-more-than-any-other-news-network/
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Neal cavuto said he is to blame for this guy being on his show and that he wasn't properely vetted. People taking responsibility for their guests is important. It would be nice if all news shows did the same. Dan Rather never did take responsibility for an egregious lie that he and Mary Mapes perpetrated on the American public in an attempt to throw the election. In that case, both should have gone to jail. I suppose you feel the same about their action which was 1 million times worse than some bit player like Simmons.
 
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Neal cavuto said he is to blame for this guy being on his show and that he wasn't properely vetted. People taking responsibility for their guests is important. It would be nice if all news shows did the same. Dan Rather never did take responsibility for an egregious lie that he and Mary Mapes perpetrated on the American public in an attempt to throw the election. In that case, both should have gone to jail. I suppose you feel the same about their action which was 1 million times worse than some bit player like Simmons.
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Rather fought CBS via a lawsuit for canning his ***. rather lost. But none the less, CBS held him accountable.
 
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RichardPeterJohnson said:
Rather fought CBS via a lawsuit for canning his ***. rather lost. But none the less, CBS held him accountable.
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Allowing a shill like Rather to anchor the news and Mapes to produce it, is much worse than how somebody can sneak onto a TV set and hold himself up as an expert. Mapes and Rather should have been held accountable in a libel suit. So should CBS for allowing shills to headline the news. Trying to impact an election with something that was typed with a font that wasn't even available at the time was on purpose.
 
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Airport said:
Allowing a shill like Rather to anchor the news and Mapes to produce it, is much worse than how somebody can sneak onto a TV set and hold himself up as an expert. Mapes and Rather should have been held accountable in a libel suit. So should CBS for allowing shills to headline the news. Trying to impact an election with something that was typed with a font that wasn't even available at the time was on purpose.
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You guys are the kings of faulty analogies, what was Rather an expert on? And for the record, you don't "sneak" onto a TV set, Fox news invited him, repeatedly, and told everyone he was a former CIA deep cover operative and then let him spew BS to scare the rubes into voting against their own economic interests.
 
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RichardPeterJohnson said:
fair and balanced.....they report, you decide....what a joke of "news" organization.....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...dd140c-7694-11e5-b9c1-f03c48c96ac2_story.html
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Well, it is Fox.
 
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Keyser76 said:
You guys are the kings of faulty analogies, what was Rather an expert on? And for the record, you don't "sneak" onto a TV set, Fox news invited him, repeatedly, and told everyone he was a former CIA deep cover operative and then let him spew BS to scare the rubes into voting against their own economic interests.
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Simmons never impacted an election. Rather and Mapes tried to. Even a stupid person could see the difference. Again, Cavuto said it was his show and he took blame for Simmons appearance on his show. Rather and Mapes did it intentionally and should not be protected when it's done on purpose.
 
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bamaEER said:
Wow...this is a riot.
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Is it any wonder that the people who watch Fox are so ill-informed? There isn't even an effort to be even-handed. I'll concede that they have the largest viewership of any tv news organization. But that speaks more about how stupid and gullible people are-not how good Fox is.
 
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rog1187 said:
Apparently Fox wasn't the only one fooled by this guy - "he mingled easily with other military and media types, and some who knew him said he talked knowledgeably enough that they did not doubt his credentials."
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I'm sure he mingled a lot given the amount of face time Fox gave him. They turned him into a celebrity.
 
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RichardPeterJohnson said:
Is it any wonder that the people who watch Fox are so ill-informed? There isn't even an effort to be even-handed. I'll concede that they have the largest viewership of any tv news organization. But that speaks more about how stupid and gullible people are-not how good Fox is.
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Yeah, it doesn't take long to realize what Fox News is really about. In the meantime, I went over to their web site and can't find a thing about Wayne Simmons anywhere.
 
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RichardPeterJohnson said:
Is it any wonder that the people who watch Fox are so ill-informed? There isn't even an effort to be even-handed. I'll concede that they have the largest viewership of any tv news organization. But that speaks more about how stupid and gullible people are-not how good Fox is.
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Funny, you can find both sides of the argument on Fox, not on CNN and MSNBC. That's why you have the bigger audience there on Fox. Both sides get something. I guess you analogy about stupid people also applies to people thinking Obama is wonderful and a cure for all that ails the country when just the opposite is plain as the nose on your face.
 
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Funny, you can find both sides of the argument on Fox, not on CNN and MSNBC. .
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That is absolutely not true. I'll concede that MSNBC is left leaning but of the shows I watch on that network (Hardball and Morning Joe), they always present both sides. Joe was a GOP Congressman for crying out loud. Matthews loves to argue and he'd have a hard time arguing with other lefties. He always has an opposing viewpoint on. CNN is by far the most even handed news network and media accuracy analysis bears that out. And they have an entire show whose premise is both sides are aired.... Crossfire. So what you say is patently not true.
 
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Morning Joe was good. I quit watch Matthews when he kept baiting Michelle Malkin. Nalkin was there to promote her book, Chris asked her about the fastboats. She ignored him, he kept asking about them until after the fourth or fifth time, she then said ,"That's what some are saying." He then jumped on her that no one would ever come on his show and do something like that. She had ignored him for as long as she could and then answered it that some others were saying that. It was terrible by him and ended my viewership. I watched it for years.
 
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RichardPeterJohnson said:
That is absolutely not true. I'll concede that MSNBC is left leaning but of the shows I watch on that network (Hardball and Morning Joe), they always present both sides. Joe was a GOP Congressman for crying out loud. Matthews loves to argue and he'd have a hard time arguing with other lefties. He always has an opposing viewpoint on. CNN is by far the most even handed news network and media accuracy analysis bears that out. And they have an entire show whose premise is both sides are aired.... Crossfire. So what you say is patently not true.
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MSNBC's ONLY balanced show is Morning Joe. The rest is pure left wing crap. They are to the left that Fox is to the right.
 
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RichardPeterJohnson said:
Is it any wonder that the people who watch Fox are so ill-informed? There isn't even an effort to be even-handed. I'll concede that they have the largest viewership of any tv news organization. But that speaks more about how stupid and gullible people are-not how good Fox is.
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How many lies did Brian Williams spew?
 
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That's funny coming from folks that were all in on the Benghazi video fraud. Fox debunked that real quick. Fox's data is as good as the horseshit generated by MSMBC and CNN. MSMBC has minimal viewership and would not exist if they weren't bundled.
They are so desperate Lebo Maddow advertises on Fox.
 
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Keyser76 said:
You guys are the kings of faulty analogies, what was Rather an expert on? And for the record, you don't "sneak" onto a TV set, Fox news invited him, repeatedly, and told everyone he was a former CIA deep cover operative and then let him spew BS to scare the rubes into voting against their own economic interests.
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One would hope Rather was an expert on journalism since he was #1 on their news staff.
 
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TarHeelEer said:
How many lies did Brian Williams spew?
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Did he do that on the news or on talk shows off the news. It's also noteworthy that he, like Rather, lost his job as anchor over the issue. I'll also note that with both of them it was 1 issue.
 
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mule_eer said:
Did he do that on the news or on talk shows off the news. It's also noteworthy that he, like Rather, lost his job as anchor over the issue. I'll also note that with both of them it was 1 issue.
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It's just the one that Williams got caught on. My understanding was that that was not the first time. He loved to embellish. Pretty much same scenario as this guy from Fox, except the guy from Fox wasn't an anchor.
 
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It's just the one that Williams got caught on. My understanding was that that was not the first time. He loved to embellish. Pretty much same scenario as this guy from Fox, except the guy from Fox wasn't an anchor.
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Difference is completely about identity...Williams WAS a news anchor...Simmons WAS NOT a CIA operative. Empellishing stories is one thing. Identity fraud is a whole different level of wrong.
 
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It's hilarious to see the left leaning members on this board hype and try to portray a guest of the network lying being worse than the actual anchors lying.
 
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DvlDog4WVU said:
It's hilarious to see the left leaning members on this board hype and try to portray a guest of the network lying being worse than the actual anchors lying.
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Yeah, it's so hilarious that he's going to jail for it. It is afterall, a felony.
 
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bamaEER said:
Yeah, it's so hilarious that he's going to jail for it. It is afterall, a felony.
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No one is disputing that. What you are talking about is called individual accountability. His crime impacted himself.

In the case of Rather and Williams, they injured the Network and moreover the trust people have in the news itself. Theirs violated the trust places in the sanctity of the 1st amendment. In Fox's case, they had a guest of the show they didn't adequately vette.

So yea, I can see the faux outrage.
 
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No one is disputing that. What you are talking about is called individual accountability. His crime impacted himself.

In the case of Rather and Williams, they injured the Network and moreover the trust people have in the news itself. Theirs violated the trust places in the sanctity of the 1st amendment. In Fox's case, they had a guest of the show they didn't adequately vette.

So yea, I can see the faux outrage.
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Yet NBC was completely accountable and fired him and apologized. Fox is acting like it never happened.
 
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DvlDog4WVU said:
It's hilarious to see the left leaning members on this board hype and try to portray a guest of the network lying being worse than the actual anchors lying.
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What I find humorous, or disturbing really, is the same thing I see all the time with politics. "that was really bad" ... "what your side did was worse"

To me, the extreme leftists should be outraged over Williams as it has a huge impact on credibility. The same is also true of the extreme right and Simmons because it impacts the credibility of their news.

Meanwhile the real issue gets obfuscated ... Why do we accept left and right news organizations? Why don't we simply demand unbiased honesty?

Same thing with politicians. One guy/gal says/does something really stupid or unethical and then instead of the supporters of their party calling them out on it, they immediately go into attack mode on somebody on the other side. Hold your own people accountable since they are the ones that are supposed to be representing you.

At work, if somebody from one of my companies says something offensive or stupid in a meeting, I'm going to call them out on it and correct them because they are representing my team. If somebody from another team does it, I leave it up to their management to correct it.
 
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What I find humorous, or disturbing really, is the same thing I see all the time with politics. "that was really bad" ... "what your side did was worse"

To me, the extreme leftists should be outraged over Williams as it has a huge impact on credibility. The same is also true of the extreme right and Simmons because it impacts the credibility of their news.

Meanwhile the real issue gets obfuscated ... Why do we accept left and right news organizations? Why don't we simply demand unbiased honesty?

Same thing with politicians. One guy/gal says/does something really stupid or unethical and then instead of the supporters of their party calling them out on it, they immediately go into attack mode on somebody on the other side. Hold your own people accountable since they are the ones that are supposed to be representing you.

At work, if somebody from one of my companies says something offensive or stupid in a meeting, I'm going to call them out on it and correct them because they are representing my team. If somebody from another team does it, I leave it up to their management to correct it.
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I agree 100% my post was not meant to exhonerate Fox in any way. They failed to do their job adequately and it affects their credibility as well.
 
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WhiteTailEER said:
Meanwhile the real issue gets obfuscated ... Why do we accept left and right news organizations? Why don't we simply demand unbiased honesty?
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It's because the term "honesty" (or "truth") largely has no meaning anymore. Those most likely to be obsessed with the manner in which "news" (or even generalized information) is presented to them.....and who thrive arguing about it on Message Boards......are those who largely demand to hear information biased toward their POV.

Because if news isn't delivered in keeping with their POV, then those individuals, by definition, consider it to be biased.....making it irrelevant to them. And since the extremes of political discussion regrettably carry the overwhelming majority of the reported message, they're in a position to make their own rules (and have no resulting interest in what the rest of society thinks).
 
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