FOX versus CNN
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Is that during Big O’s 8?92% negative coverage....Does it get much more biased than that?
And then there's this....
It’s not actually. You all hold these fvcking news orgs up on a pedestal built of lies. The whole narrative of anti-globalism is bastardized into some white supremacy angle. The news orgs liberal consume is too fvcking lazy to attempt an understanding, too scared to be honest about it, and too corrupt to report it evenly.
this past election cemented for me the presence of huge bias with the networks and CNN and MSNBC particularly are on a warpath to bring the president down. I can't speak to FOX because I have not watch it in probably 10 years or more but I will make the assumption there is bias there too. For Brian Stelter of CNN to ***** about FOX every moment he is on TV tells me they've pissed him off. When I teach company grade officers about the role of the press, public affairs, and using the press to send a contradictory message to confuse the enemy as well as what an extremist view ladened with bias looks like, I use MSNBC and CNN. They are propagandist of Goebbels proportion.
Color me shocked that boomer is digging his high heels in and not acknowledging the blatently obvious.
Of course I can’t speak for all liberals, but for me it’s actually the complete opposite. “Anti-globalism”, “rule of law”, whatever label you want to attach to your personal crusade against illegal immigration doesn’t accurately define the issue, and so solutions aren’t going to be reached. It’s not some conspiracy to increase Dem votes, it’s people that need to earn $$$$ for their families and find opportunities for their futures.
Where’s the outrage towards the businesses that pay illegals? The businesses that house them? If it’s all about anti-globalism or rule of law, then the businesses that profit off of those illegal workers should be held to the same level of disgust and targeted just as viciously by our LE budgets. But they’re not.
I do however agree that most people chose not to thoroughly examine the problem before pointing their fingers and screaming labels. Left and right do this. One side is accused of having a racial motivation for policy changes and enforcement, the other accused of caring more about illegals than they do our nation.
Polarization, fear and rage prevents solutions. I can concede that CNN pushes the humanitarian aspect of the immigration issue, and seeks to inform their readers about the negative effects policy can sometimes have on immigrant families. But pushing fear of how these illegal immigrants are going to destroy their nation, is step in lock with rhetoric from extremist groups.
And you both don’t think FOX was trying to destroy Obama over his 8? Really?
Name the time that Fox was coordinating with the FBI to push a narrative leading to a special counsel against Obama?
I don't know if they wanted to destroy him in the fashion MSNBC, CNN, et al are pursuing, but I will make a strong guess they wanted him to fail just like the liberals here want Trump to fail. Remember, any criticism of Obama was immediately labelled racism, any criticism of Trump is patriotism.
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Sure...[eyeroll]
While Fox is more fair and balanced than any of them, I'm sure you actually believe the MSM bashed Obama, 90 plus percent of the time...[pfftt]
GOP Representatives “pushed” that narrative too then. And the narrative didn’t lead to a special council, the actions of the Russian Government and the Trump campaign did.
I don’t think ANY criticism of Obama was labeled as racist. I do certainly think think the “birther” claims had racist undertones to it, and was pushed hard by FOX news in an attempt to delegitimize big O’s Presidency.
But during his 8, FOX sought any and every opportunity to criticize Obama. From the amount of time spent golfing, to his emotional reactions, to his lack of wearing a jacket and tie in the oval, to the color of his suit, to slamming his every policy initiatives as well. It really is comical the hypocritical moan of the right.
Actually I don’t. But I am sure that you believe FOX didn’t bash Obama, 90 plus percent of the time... cuteeyerollemoji
Please tell me how legal immigrants are mistreated? You need to separate the two, legal immigrants are fully welcome to come & work & better themselves & family, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS come here for free stuff & to commit crimes.....
When did any gop member push for a special counsel? What actions did the Trump campaign take to lead to anything? The whole notion was make believe.
At the very core, placing emphasis on illegals is by definition caring more about citizens of another country than your own. And to the rhetoric about the businesses, I’m fine going after then. However, that’s like going after the user than the dealer. Treating the symptoms instead of the disease. Use whatever analogy you want. You halt the supply and then you crack down on the businesses. Going after the businesses prior to locking down the border means you’ll forever be rounding up illegals because they’ll just keep coming.
We own zero consideration of another country’s poor when we have a huge population of our own that needs help. Take the emotion out of it, it’s just logic.
Don’t get me wrong, I understand the desire to get everyone on the same grid (if just for taxes and crime reporting alone), and I support efforts to bring everyone onto that grid. But your description of illegal immigrants is not accurate in the majority, and, imo, illegal immigrants will always come here if the opportunities continue to exist. The vast majority of illegal immigrants are driven here by the desire to provide for their families. In addition, almost half of them come here via legal means through POEs and overstay their temporary visas.
But these facts are overlooked in the passionate vitriol on how America is “under threat” of illegal immigrants. MS13, sex trafficking, invading caravans — we hear more about the things to fear, and less about what the problem really is.
But it raises money, increases ratings, and makes holierthanthous feel warm and fuzzy and in control of what the problems are and who is to blame.
I’m fine with you having an isolationist view of the world. I don’t. We are all connected, and not in some LSD cloaked, Widespread Panic parking lot, 4am existentialism kind of way — our economies, our health, our policies almost everything between nations are connected in some way. I’d rather be concerned about the wellbeing of humanity. But that doesn’t mean I’m part of some globalist conspiracy that seeks to bury my flag out of embarrassment. I’m proud of what my family earns and the size of my house — but here’s the thing, it was all achieved because of a poor immigrant that had nothing else but a slight chance and hard work. So, stop acting as if most homes in America weren’t built the same way.
And as to the drug analogy, I absolutely believe treatment should be the focus. How much have we spent? The drugs keep coming (and that wall isn’t going to stop them either). Your wound analogy isn’t valid, imo, because there are two things causing the wound — the overwealming need for work, and the work being provided. I’m for any policy that attempts to reduce both of those issues.
The wall, it’s gauze. Will it help, sure, more so than just letting the wound bleed out, but it won’t stop another wound from occurring nor will it completely stop the bleeding at this point. Why? Because too many businesses (from wineries to construction companies) rely on that cheap labor. More visas will be overstayed, plain and simple.
Yet your “logic” overlooks the fact that almost 49% of illegals immigrants in this country come via POE’s and overstay legal temporary work visas.
The system is overwhelmed. You have to start making dents where you can. And yes, the wall, along with the added sensors, border judges, more agents, etc. will all put a significant dent in the numbers allowing for those resources to be spent on other aspects of the problem.
I’m not opposed, but that’s not the rhetoric you hear. What you hear is: that this extremely expensive wall (built at a time when our debt and deficit are already embarrassing) will end the issue. In addition, you hear sooooo much (this thread am example) about how horrible illegal immigrants are for the nation. But the reality is that they support the farm, construction, tourism and even at home care industries. Working and living in conditions most of us couldn’t handle, and doing it with their heads down and noses clean.
But it’s all about walls, gang bangers, crime, fear, invasions, “facts”, law, and “logic”.
It’s not about emotion for me, my idealist fluff aside, it’s about problems and solutions.
No, the actions of the FBI led to the special counsel. They knew by April 2017 that there was nothing there.
I was recalling that's when Comey was getting ready to be fired. I didn't back it up all the way.
My first search produced this. https://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/15/carter.obama/index.html
So if you are white and criticize you are connected to racism, if you are black and criticize, you are an Uncle Tom. Both are connect to race if you criticize Obama. The media did it all the time.
To many statistics prove this false , illegal immigrants are responsible for 15 deaths a day & the cost they bring with them....Californians are paying for free medical for them as thousands of homeless mentally ill people continue to sh$t up there cities......we cant feed all of our own , let alone other countries, as a country we have limits that we can help ....illegals are a problem, a big problem. All I'm saying is address the immigration problem correctly....legal immigration is good & needed .....illegal immigration is bad & needs to be fixed...I'm all for fining employers to death for employing them
That was Jimmy Carter saying that people saying things like “should have buried Obama with JFK” were crossing a line, and that he feels their passion that makes them cross the line is derivative from racism.
I don’t agree. I think the motivation for crossing the line is derivative from hatred for anything that differs from their own belief system, basically a hatred for America. I’d say the same about people’s hatred of Trump - but it’s not just policy initiatives that creates such disgust for DJT - it’s his bullying, his ugly ego, his lack of knowledge, his greed, his self-aggrandizing, and his lack of respect for women.
Now if you were to say, “I hate Obama because everyone he pauses when he speaks it seems like he literally thinking for a second that he is better than whomever he’s looking at in the moment”, I say that’s not racist and I’d agree it makes me want to kick him in the nuts.
People didn’t like W’s initiatives, or his folksy down on the ranch way of speaking, but people didn’t hate him at the level they do DJT. And that’s because W had some level of respect for people that thought differently.
- If love to know where you got the 15 deaths a day stat- cause I think it’s total Bullsh1t
- American homelessness is another discussion, with the only link being the availability of jobs. But I can guarantee that without serious punishment to employers, businesses aren’t rushing to remove undocumented workers and putting American homeless on the books with health insurance and the ability to report poor work conditions. In addition, I doubt there will be too many homeless running to work the apple orchards and strawberry fields even if the miracle was to take place.
It’s why I said businesses must be targeted....showtune......49% of illegal immigrants come through POEs and overstay legally obtained visas......maybe use all that badass, big money, jet set, military guru logic and think it for a sec. As long as those industries are dependent on undocumented labor, a wall isn’t going to stop the fvcking problem.
It’s going to help with 51% of the problem allowing us to focus on the other 49% and get them the **** outa here as well.
It’s not an immigration pie - that 49% will rise, and other modes of entry will pop up - it might cost immigrants more money to get here, and more will die trying.
All your Richie rich worship of supply and demand doesn’t teach you jackpuppy hunh?
I must really rile you up for some reason. You resort to some of the dumbest **** when arguing a point with me.
I was actually being a goofball. Unless you’re referring to my actual points, to which I’m just being right.
The stats are not ********, they are facts not to mention the cost of illegal immigrants....
If we take fee housing & grub stubs from able bodied people they will pick them strawberries they are ILLEGAL not undocumented, no one is above the law .....am I right