O'Brien was the previous regime and the man that dealt with the scandal. Paterno wasn't the previous regime. Franklin's job was infinitely easier due to how Franklin left.
He's a program builder but not a great coach. Reality.
Franklin wrecked this team.
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He's a program builder but not a great coach. Reality.
That's what you hope happens
It's so odd how that people are so terrified of improving and being truly relevant.
It’s absolutely not what I hope happens….i want to win and I don’t care who the coach is. However, I’ll take 10-2 in most years regardless of who the losses are to. I swear many on here would rather go 8-4 with a win over OSU than 10-2 with a loss to the .
Kraft should not have fired Franklin after last week.
Kraft could have still been maneuvering in the background on a new coach. Instead of getting sympathy from the likes of Saban, etc and telling ESPN and everyone who will listen he was "shocked, shocked, SHOCKED" that he was fired, this f*cker should be owning this disaster. They should have left him to twist in the wind, until the pressure got too great that he quits on his own, given how important his media standing is to him.
After 3-6, no one would give a sh*t what Franklin has to say
This play, you need to catch the damn ball! If so, game over!
This is a case of taking a step back to take 2 forward. Beats knowing you'll always lose to MI/OSU and all other big games.
It is though. Your constant support and defense of Fraklin proves that
10-2 is pointless if you can't contend for a title.
He couldn't beat anyone with a pulse. No one. Even in playoff last year he got the easiest schedule of all time and failed to reach the title game.
Come on man. No way can that happen. No way does that stay secret. How many coaches use the same agent as JF even?
He beat plenty of teams with a pulse. Some of you act like we play in the MAC. Ridiculous. And I support and defend him because he was our coach and I like him as a coach. Sorry that doesn’t match your thoughts. If I like the next guy, and he goes 10-2 a lot, I will support him as well. He did a ton for this program even if many are too thick to see it. And I don’t feel entitled to 12-0 and a NC every year because I’ve been a PSU fan for a long time and I’m used to being a solid but not great program.
Where does this 10-2 most years apply? Not in the 20s and not during Franklin’s PSU time. It was half the time, and then about half those good times, he’d end up losing the bowl game to lose the warm and fuzzy feelings.
Maybe PSU should have kept him around for a few more games so he’d get the true credit he deserves on his record for this sh*tshow season.
Franklin was a good recruiter and good developer of talent. But he wasn’t great. Terrible game day coach. Penn State should dominate the region and they don’t! Never have. That needs to change with the new hire.
You have 13 states to recruit from in the Penn State footprint and it must dominate that area. That talent pool can compete vs. other regions with big time recruits coming out of Pa., Va, Md, DC, NJ… great support talent coming from NY and NE. Del and WV are dead zones but not necessary.
You have 13 states to recruit from in the Penn State footprint and it must dominate that area. That talent pool can compete vs. other regions with big time recruits coming out of Pa., Va, Md, DC, NJ… great support talent coming from NY and NE. Del and WV are dead zones but not necessary.
Three out of the last four years…I would consider that most years. The fact he could do it at all in his first five years was a testament to him considering the **** show he took over.
IF. So many of the losses were one score, one play kind of defeats. IF someone anyone steps up to make that play we win. Needed more difference makers in the lineup.
One thing we know for sure, all of our losses will be the coach’s fault unless it’s someone they like, then the losses will be Franklin’s fault.
Who's his last quality win?
Boise State or SMU...come on.
What happened this year is indefensible.
You can give him credit for helping to build the program while admitting he hit his ceiling and needed to go. Just like Richt was a good guy and a good coach.
I've never asked for 12-0. I'm asking for it not to essentially be an automatic loss when we play teams with a pulse.
Hell 10-2 this year would have been fine but then he stopped beating bad teams when he was 20 point favorites.
Why do you want to be a solid but not great program? You acknowledging that is why he had to go.
There's no crying. You just fire the next guy
MHL,
My thoughts:
I believe the word you are looking for is Mercenary. Latin merces meaning ("wages" or "pay")
Quality Mercenaries' hires can change the outcome of team wins, offering the means of (CFP) championships to anyone who can afford it. It alters the who, the how and the why they are pugnacious, the ultra-wealthy schools will become new superpowers of semi-pro college football.
I believe we are on the verge of developing a Super-Conference of 25+/- of the best teams competing for a Conference Championship, where it will be common for the finalists to have 2-3 losses going into the Championship game.
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Well, he was 11-1 last year and that wasn’t good enough, but you’re not expecting 12-0…ok, got it. And as you’re seeing this year with UCLA and NW, there have been many teams he beat that had a pulse. Just because a team isn’t top 10 doesn’t mean they’re easy .
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And the next and the next and the next…sounds like a great plan. Ask a million other programs how that works.
When did I complain about regular season last year? Pretty sure I never did.
A team with a pulse needs to have comparable talent to us...we play those games about twice a year.
Don't miss. The stated objective to win titles. We all agree CJF wasn't capable. I'm not sure what you want at this point. He had to go. He's gone. Hopefully we hire the right guy if not oh well.
More teams have comparable talent than you give them credit for.
So if the object is to win titles, then almost no program is successful.
We need to petition the NCAA to argue that last night's loss should be included in Franklin's overall coaching record.
He was the architect of this season
Forget about titles. I would just like to pull an upset once and awhile and out coach and out scheme someone with better overall talent.
Well I've been a fan for a long time as well and am used to a great program not a solid program.
Haha, ok. Selectively choosing a timeframe.
He did a good job ‘16. I won’t say great because 3 losses, with one being to Pitt and another when your team scored 49, well, that isn’t great.
‘17 was another good job, but that’s the really what might have been season if it had been a great job.
He had multiple other good years outside of the first 5 seasons also. I never said he had to be fired until this season, the timing of it is the only question.
Oh, Franklin will be the built-in excuse for these dingleberries for years.
Too early to say that, but it could easily be the case.
You knew that was the situation when the never-Frankliners, who have been whining about him for years, could never identify a reasonable alternative for Franklin while he was still employed. And then, when they finally got their wish, and Franklin was gone, their suggested replacements were ridiculous never-gonna-happens ... and then some blank stares when they realized the more realistic options weren't very exciting/definite improvements.
Add FG kicker and Longsnapper. I still think the secondary is very solid but the DL & LBer play have been troublesome.