Agreed.
It also demonstrates that on message boards of teams not undefeated, everything is regarded with snark.
Franklin's post practice Wednesday Q & A scrum
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It also demonstrates that on message boards of teams not undefeated, everything is regarded with snark.
It is common knowledge for those that were awake the last 10 years that Saban over signed and then cut down in the Spring to get to 85.
Don't know what his players love or don't, and neither do you. And that has nothing to do with the points made.
The point is that Joe was at the top of the college football world for about as long as Saban has been recently, but the system at that time failed to recognize the great teams he had that were filled with future NFL talent and stars. And this was NOT the same as the program Franklin is now over seeing.
You're welcome for the history, which you either didn't live through or purposely ignore. None the less, Joe was as dominant in his prime as Saban has been recently. Oh, and you forgot to mention in your worship of Saban that he never won anything at MSU, and he washed out of the NFL. Some would say he never won anywhere in any league until Alabama gave him a free reign to bend the rules in a win at all costs environment.
Your response would be laughable, if it wasn't such pro-Saban hogwash.
Cheers.
Seems as if I remember Saban winning a title at LSU. And he did not "wash out" of the NFL, he left for a better job. When did Joe win a title somewhere besides PSU? Saban's won one at 2 different programs. When did Joe win back-to-back titles? Its ok, we see that you don't like him but you cannot ignore or deny he is the most successful coach ever when you consider his results.
You're welcome for the history which you purposely ignore.
Pro-Saban hogwash? It’s because he’s the best ever by far. I love Joe but give me a metric outside of longevity that’s better, or any other person that’s ever coached college football for that matter, it doesn’t have to be about Joe (you did say Joe was just as dominant though lol). Winning percentage, National Championships, conference championship, Heisman winners, wins vs. top 5, wins vs. top 10, vs. top 25, players taken in the first round, players drafted overall. What Saban has done is unprecedented, and most of it has been done in the SEC, it’s not anti Joe to say someone who statistically is better in ever metric is a better coach. Saying Joe is a top5 coach to ever take the field is not an insult to him.
What about what Saban did in the NFL and at MSU? Was that unprecedented? LOL. I'll help you out. NO!!
As I said but you fail to recognize. Sabin did about NOTHING until he got to a college environment that facilitated winning at all costs.
If Sabin tried to win under within the guidelines of never breaking NCAA rules, putting a top priority on education, and the other priorities Joe put on his program he would be evaluated as a below average coach.
And yes, Sabin's bowl record does not compare with Joe's.
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You could also say the Sabin was a MSU and didn't win any titles there.
He left the NFL for a better job? Did he win a super bowl in the NFL? No.
You're welcome for the history which you purposely ignore.
I didn't like the question, poor form, but I expect Franklin to be savvy enough to have been prepared for it at any time this season. I also think if no scandal, he'd be all over it. He could have simply pointed out that he has high standards for the program, just like Joe did. Nothing controversial about that. Then he could segue into Rutgers Rutgers Rutgers.
You’re absolutely clueless, and have to know that you’ve got destroyed in this debate. You have no idea if Saban skirted any rules, which I haven’t see or heard any investigations into that program. He has 7 National Championships who cares what he did in the NFL and MSU. How is that relevant in any way? I laid out every conceivable metric a coach is graded on and he comes out better than anyone, ever. The best you could do is Joe’s .03 win percentage in bowls as the only thing better, and guess what if Saban wins his bowl game this year he’ll have a better winning percentage there too. Just stop, Joe was great, Nick Saban is the best the sport has seen.
Yep you're absolutely clueless. There is no debate. Saban did not win anything until he got to the SEC where he could bend the rules in a win at all cost environment.
Yes, his overall record does include his tenure at MSU and the NFL.
Just stop. Joe was great, Sabin has a great record in the SEC but not at the other places he coached, and Joe has the most bowl wins of all time.
"us" ?? You have some credibility rating??
I don't "discuss" PSU football with clowns and name callers for "credibility"
Cheers.
We all blamed covid last year and the fact that CJF was away from his family for his gloomy demeanor during the season. And there was probably some truth to that. But it seems that has also matriculated into 2021 as well. Looking back at him jumping around on the sidelines with Trace or punching Saquan in celebration makes me see an obvious difference from where he is now. Doesn't seem like the same guy.
And I don't think it's just because we're losing. Didn't seem to have the fire even when we were in the top 5.
I still like James and still support him (although I'm not a fan of his offense). Would like to get back to the days of seeing him enjoy himself on the sidelines and the success that leads to it.
You say that like its a bad thing. For the record, I give him positive marks for getting the amount of sheen just right.
I don't know too many coaches who think college football is a step up from the NFL. It's just a comical assertion.