Frontcourt play

[NUCat320]

It’s a Beran thread, I just felt guilty calling it a Beran thread. (Update: it’s a Barnhizer thread, thankfully.) (Updated update: This is a Barnhizer list. But it’s become a Young/Nance thread.)

Beran hit his early three, which was fine. He also played his fewest minutes of the season, only 13.

Martinelli played a lot like Beran in a season-high 18 minutes and, of course, Bobo Barnhizer has become that necessary third scorer. (Or, maybe, Berry or Audige need to become that third scorer.)

Beran is averaging 20 mpg since the Purdue game, when he played an at-that-point low of 18 mins. He’s averaging 4.6 ppg since then, including his 12 against IU. Those 12 were his only double-figure scoring output in the last 11 games.

Of course, this aligns with the emergence of Barnhizer, who has clearly earned the trust of his teammates and the coaching staff. He looked like a high-effort, ‘little things’ coach’s son kind of player early in the season, but he looks like a potential star to me today.

Brooks is averaging 32mpg over the last five, and 13.8 ppg.

I wrote it in a different thread a few weeks ago, but dude’s ceiling is Evan Turner. He’s a baller.

 

[NJCat]

Barney just makes shots. Doesn't do anything that makes the ESPN highlights, but the man can play. Kind of feel bad for Robbie, who has been the good soldier, but Brooks has balled out the last half of the season and deserves PT.

 

[docrugby1]

I wonder why Beran and Barnhizer are never paired together when Buie or Audige are being rested. Beran is a superior defender than Martinelli and Barnhizer is a good ballhandler to augment the point guard, whether it be Buie or Audige

 

[CSCatFan1]

It’s a Beran thread, I just felt guilty calling it a Beran thread. (Update: it’s a Barnhizer thread, thankfully.)

Beran hit his early three, which was fine. He also played his fewest minutes of the season, only 13.

Martinelli played a lot like Beran in a season-high 18 minutes and, of course, Bobo Barnhizer has become that necessary third scorer. (Or, maybe, Berry or Audige need to become that third scorer.)

Beran is averaging 20 mpg since the Purdue game, when he played an at-that-point low of 18 mins. He’s averaging 4.6 ppg since then, including his 12 against IU. Those 12 were his only double-figure scoring output in the last 11 games.

Of course, this aligns with the emergence of Barnhizer, who has clearly earned the trust of his teammates and the coaching staff. He looked like a high-effort, ‘little things’ coach’s son kind of player early in the season, but he looks like a potential star to me today.

Brooks is averaging 32mpg over the last five, and 13.8 ppg.

I wrote it in a different thread a few weeks ago, but dude’s ceiling is Evan Turner. He’s a baller.

I have no problem with Barney taking minutes from Beran. It’s the increased minutes that Martinelli is receiving that causes me concern. Would have preferred to have seen Beran in there late over Slick Nick.

 

[GatoLouco]

It’s weird how Beran is seeing his role diminished the way it should have been, like 5 games into last season.

Despite the vehement defense he has had on this board since last season, with arguments of defense vs Nance and others, he is what he is, a decent role player that should get some minutes. But by no means he’s a 30 minutes a night guy. Even in this team that has not other clear 4.

 

[PurpleWhiteBoy]

It’s weird how Beran is seeing his role diminished the way it should have been, like 5 games into last season.

Despite the vehement defense he has had on this board since last season, with arguments of defense vs Nance and others, he is what he is, a decent role player that should get some minutes. But by no means he’s a 30 minutes a night guy. Even in this team that has not other clear 4.

Well you and I have had similar thoughts about Beran, but it sure seemed like Collins just flat out benched him with 18:08 to go after he turned the ball over. He didn't re-enter the game until 1 minute left (to avoid having Nicholson shooting free throws),

I found that strange - Beran had done some nice things defensively.

 

[hdhntr1]

It’s a Beran thread, I just felt guilty calling it a Beran thread. (Update: it’s a Barnhizer thread, thankfully.)

Beran hit his early three, which was fine. He also played his fewest minutes of the season, only 13.

Martinelli played a lot like Beran in a season-high 18 minutes and, of course, Bobo Barnhizer has become that necessary third scorer. (Or, maybe, Berry or Audige need to become that third scorer.)

Beran is averaging 20 mpg since the Purdue game, when he played an at-that-point low of 18 mins. He’s averaging 4.6 ppg since then, including his 12 against IU. Those 12 were his only double-figure scoring output in the last 11 games.

Of course, this aligns with the emergence of Barnhizer, who has clearly earned the trust of his teammates and the coaching staff. He looked like a high-effort, ‘little things’ coach’s son kind of player early in the season, but he looks like a potential star to me today.

Brooks is averaging 32mpg over the last five, and 13.8 ppg.

I wrote it in a different thread a few weeks ago, but dude’s ceiling is Evan Turner. He’s a baller.

Behran does not really take that many shots. Barnhizer is not afraid to take those shots Behran does a lot of other things on D but on O he is not one that has to have the ball. (One of the problems with Kopp is that offensively he was very similar to Behran but not as strong on D

 

[EvanstonCat]

I think this also points out how foolish the notion was that we are better off without Young or Nance. Either could take Beran's place in the rotiation (or Verhoeven's) and we'd be way better off.

Amazing that we lose our best two bigs and still have the best NU team in maybe ever. Imagine how good we'd be with either or both of them?

 

[CSCatFan1]

I think this also points out how foolish the notion was that we are better off without Young or Nance. Either could take Beran's place in the rotiation (or Verhoeven's) and we'd be way better off.

Amazing that we lose our best two bigs and still have the best NU team in maybe ever. Imagine how good we'd be with either or both of them?

This isn’t a video game…you just don’t plug in guys/numbers. Have you ever been part of a team? If Nance/Young are here the dynamic for every player changes. Boo and Chase are no longer alphas; there is no Tydus, Big Matt rarely plays, there’s a good chance Barney doesn’t emerge. Foolish notion indeed.

 

[NUCat320]

I think this also points out how foolish the notion was that we are better off without Young or Nance. Either could take Beran's place in the rotiation (or Verhoeven's) and we'd be way better off.

Amazing that we lose our best two bigs and still have the best NU team in maybe ever. Imagine how good we'd be with either or both of them?

The loss of Young was undoubtedly a good thing. He and Nicholson actually couldn’t play together, and Nicholson simply wouldn’t have gotten the minutes.

Nance is a tough call. Boo had become more assertive, more alpha, as last season went on. Leadership-wise, it would have been fine. But, CCC probably would have continued to misuse him as a 5 as well.

And, again, limited minutes for Big Matt.

Giving CCC fewer options in the front court, thereby requiring him to play Big Matt, is one of many keys to the season.

Has there every been a more beautiful stat line than:
5-6, 5 dunks, 6 boards, 2 assists, 4 blocks, 1 steal (1 TO, 1 foul)

 

[ballerog711]

Make the tournament 2017
Nance/Young show up, no tournament
They use their grad transfers year and leave, make the tournament.

North Carolina might not make the tournament this year. Only one change in the starting lineup

Cannot just plug in numbers.

MN hedged in a screen in the first half, then made is back to block a shot at the basket. No way in hell Nance or Young can make plays like that. Team is tougher without them. Only stat that shows up in is a win.

They both had great careers and are wonderful people, but not going to win with them. Defensive liabilities.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

I think this also points out how foolish the notion was that we are better off without Young or Nance. Either could take Beran's place in the rotiation (or Verhoeven's) and we'd be way better off.

Amazing that we lose our best two bigs and still have the best NU team in maybe ever. Imagine how good we'd be with either or both of them?

NU is better without RY and Pete, hard stop. It has zero to do with whether RY and Pete are good enough or better individually than players in our current rotation. Big Matt may only have the range of his arm length, but he is by far a better fit with superior defense and I mean way superior defense. TVH has found his legs and is another guy that understands his role. Pete was our best player last season, but it was at the expense of others. You can blame CCC for misuse if you like, but the team had a peaking order and deferred too much at crunch time to Pete. How did that work out? My fear with this team is we defer too much in crunch time to Chase. We seem to force it when Chase shot is off, mainly because of his Alpha status. Boo is the guy that has to be making the primary decision, shot or find the open guy.

I would take Beran any day of the week over Kopp and he does the little things that make teams work. Sure he disappears, but he gets way too much crap because people love scorers. CSC said it, you can’t look at players individually and project team success. I made that mistake and severely underestimated the potential of this team. Boo would not be The Boo we see leading the team with Pete on the floor. Big Matt woul be seeing 5-10 minutes a game.

Check the record. This is arguably the best NU team ever, even if we lose the next two. Just stop with the “what if’s”.

 

[bjm989_rivals]

NU is better without RY and Pete, hard stop.

This is a fascinating analysis to consider what impact their two transfers had on the performance of the team. I have no disrespect for the two of them at all, both grad transfers and they went to non conference blue blood programs. It’s one thing to consider how their absence changed our offense but also the team’s identity of defense. This team’s defense has made the biggest difference in team success this year and it takes every player to be playing their part, rotating at the right time, doubling at the right time, and moving quickly all over the court. So not only did their absence allow some new alphas on offense, but it also allowed them to establish a new identity on defense and all have bought into this mentality. And I’m not sure this mentality gets established without a little bit of angst over players leaving and disrespect by everyone on the outside looking in.

Boo’s been awesome this year as a player and spokesperson. He deserves every accolade for sticking around and not giving up on this team. It’s a life and character lesson that will benefit him into the future when leading. One postgame comment he said something to the effect of “People need to wake up” regarding how good the team was. It was perhaps the least modest statement he made in any interview but it also helped me understand what type of chip on their shoulders this team has had. This definitely plays into a team’s mentality on the court, and I think none of this happens without the angst of losing two high profile players to Duke and UNC and all the “sky is falling” talk that happened outside the program afterward. These events before the season started make this outstanding season an all the more special story.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

This is a fascinating analysis to consider what impact their two transfers had on the performance of the team. I have no disrespect for the two of them at all, both grad transfers and they went to non conference blue blood programs. It’s one thing to consider how their absence changed our offense but also the team’s identity of defense. This team’s defense has made the biggest difference in team success this year and it takes every player to be playing their part, rotating at the right time, doubling at the right time, and moving quickly all over the court. So not only did their absence allow some new alphas on offense, but it also allowed them to establish a new identity on defense and all have bought into this mentality. And I’m not sure this mentality gets established without a little bit of angst over players leaving and disrespect by everyone on the outside looking in.

Boo’s been awesome this year as a player and spokesperson. He deserves every accolade for sticking around and not giving up on this team. It’s a life and character lesson that will benefit him into the future when leading. One postgame comment he said something to the effect of “People need to wake up” regarding how good the team was. It was perhaps the least modest statement he made in any interview but it also helped me understand what type of chip on their shoulders this team has had. This definitely plays into a team’s mentality on the court, and I think none of this happens without the angst of losing two high profile players to Duke and UNC and all the “sky is falling” talk that happened outside the program afterward. These events before the season started make this outstanding season an all the more special story.

CCC has made a point of ribbing the pundits over the last place prediction too. Nobody besides CCC, the team and Gordie expected the team to be this good. So sound off, they deserve it.

 

[SmellyCat]

I'm too lazy to look, but has anybody asked Nance/Young this year what they think of NU's great year? I assume they're really happy for NU, but I'd be curious to hear what they said.

Meanwhile, NU may get one more shot to make Kopp disappear Saturday, but let's get through Friday first.

 

[phatcat_rivals223240]

I have no problem with Barney taking minutes from Beran. It’s the increased minutes that Martinelli is receiving that causes me concern. Would have preferred to have seen Beran in there late over Slick Nick.

Yeah, Nick's ball handling...

 

[phatcat_rivals223240]

The loss of Young was undoubtedly a good thing. He and Nicholson actually couldn’t play together, and Nicholson simply wouldn’t have gotten the minutes.

Nance is a tough call. Boo had become more assertive, more alpha, as last season went on. Leadership-wise, it would have been fine. But, CCC probably would have continued to misuse him as a 5 as well.

And, again, limited minutes for Big Matt.

Giving CCC fewer options in the front court, thereby requiring him to play Big Matt, is one of many keys to the season.

Has there every been a more beautiful stat line than:
5-6, 5 dunks, 6 boards, 2 assists, 4 blocks, 1 steal (1 TO, 1 foul)

1 foul. That's beautiful.

 

[NUCat320]

Make the tournament 2017
Nance/Young show up, no tournament


MN hedged in a screen in the first half, then made is back to block a shot at the basket. No way in hell Nance or Young can make plays like that. Team is tougher without them. Only stat that shows up in is a win.

Both TVH and MN are so good at hedging and recovering. Matt’s fun to watch because he’s huuuuge, but TVH is almost as effective.

 

[GatoLouco]

I am still surprised it is, now, so widely accepted that we would be worse off with a deeper roster.

If we are, then it's accepting our staff would not be able to figure out what guys to put on the court. That it would succumb to playing sacred cows instead of the players that gave us the best chance of winning. Beran has played as much as he did throughout his career. So, there's that in the form of underserving players seeing time.

Point is, chemistry, blah, blah, blah... In most cases a team is better off with more options.

Want to talk about how we have a delicate chemistry situation, that should not be disrupted, even by hypotheticals of Pete Nance having transferred? Look at what has happened to Beran over the last couple of games. We are playing Martinelli! Love the kid, but not ideal. Yet, an understandable situation.

It's all just for poops and giggles. Because it is all hypotheticals. But there is a world in the multiverse where Pete Nance and Ryan Young (and maybe even Simmons) don't transfer and we win the conference.

Not discounting so many other factors that have contributed to this amazing season. But don't underestimate the positive effects of players playing... in their natural positions.

 

[Username Not Available]

One of those little things I like about Tydus is he is so clearly having great fun on the court. That has to be a bit infectious.

Even when he gets tagged with a bogus foul, he’s laughing.

 

[SmellyCat]

One of those little things I like about Tydus is he is so clearly having great fun on the court. That has to be a bit infectious.

Even when he gets tagged with a bogus foul, he’s laughing.

Contrast with TJD, who never has an expression on his face. He's all business, all the time (and maybe his focus is part of the reason he's one of the best players in the country), but is he having fun?

 

[SDakaGordie]

I am still surprised it is, now, so widely accepted that we would be worse off with a deeper roster.

If we are, then it's accepting our staff would not be able to figure out what guys to put on the court. That it would succumb to playing sacred cows instead of the players that gave us the best chance of winning. Beran has played as much as he did throughout his career. So, there's that in the form of underserving players seeing time.

Point is, chemistry, blah, blah, blah... In most cases a team is better off with more options.

Want to talk about how we have a delicate chemistry situation, that should not be disrupted, even by hypotheticals of Pete Nance having transferred? Look at what has happened to Beran over the last couple of games. We are playing Martinelli! Love the kid, but not ideal. Yet, an understandable situation.

It's all just for poops and giggles. Because it is all hypotheticals. But there is a world in the multiverse where Pete Nance and Ryan Young (and maybe even Simmons) don't transfer and we win the conference.

Not discounting so many other factors that have contributed to this amazing season. But don't underestimate the positive effects of players playing... in their natural positions.

I am very tired of the comment that playing Nance at the 5 was the downfall of our program historically (never mind very poor timing to resurrect it again). CCC put him in every possible situation to give him and the team a chance to succeed; that positioning happened to be one of them. He played many others. It certainly helped his versatility/ game and helped him land a spot in the starting role at UNC. Feel free to go on believing Nance at the 4 and Young at the 5 for 30+ minutes a game each was going to get it done for us. The clear answer is still a no.

 

[SDakaGordie]

CCC has made a point of ribbing the pundits over the last place prediction too. Nobody besides CCC, the team and Gordie expected the team to be this good. So sound off, they deserve it.

I appreciate the shout out, though I’m on record saying I did not think they would be quite THIS good. Last night was a late one for me (having to travel back to CT from the game) but right up there with my best ever NU sports moments!

 

[StreamCat]

I think this also points out how foolish the notion was that we are better off without Young or Nance. Either could take Beran's place in the rotiation (or Verhoeven's) and we'd be way better off.

Amazing that we lose our best two bigs and still have the best NU team in maybe ever. Imagine how good we'd be with either or both of them?

Chaos Theory. Add one different piece and everything is different. You might be very right; you might be very wrong.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

I am still surprised it is, now, so widely accepted that we would be worse off with a deeper roster.

If we are, then it's accepting our staff would not be able to figure out what guys to put on the court. That it would succumb to playing sacred cows instead of the players that gave us the best chance of winning. Beran has played as much as he did throughout his career. So, there's that in the form of underserving players seeing time.

Point is, chemistry, blah, blah, blah... In most cases a team is better off with more options.

Want to talk about how we have a delicate chemistry situation, that should not be disrupted, even by hypotheticals of Pete Nance having transferred? Look at what has happened to Beran over the last couple of games. We are playing Martinelli! Love the kid, but not ideal. Yet, an understandable situation.

It's all just for poops and giggles. Because it is all hypotheticals. But there is a world in the multiverse where Pete Nance and Ryan Young (and maybe even Simmons) don't transfer and we win the conference.

Not discounting so many other factors that have contributed to this amazing season. But don't underestimate the positive effects of players playing... in their natural positions.

You played D1 Basketball Gato, so you obviously have been around talented players. However, your comment on chemistry of teams baffles me. It’s real and I believe most that have played high level athletics will tell you the same. You certainly know more about Basketball than me, but I have been around many successful teams in other sports. Look at the Chicago Bulls as a current example. Zach, Vuc and DeMar are collectively one of the most talented threesomes in the league, yet they together are sub 500. They are not surrounded by comparative bums either. You are correct, we’ll never know, but the best proof is in a second place finish as opposed to a 40 point loss to Iowa!

In baseball, we had a couple players that could hit the ball to the next planet. We wanted them to get us in position to win. When the game was in the line, we wanted the scrappy spray hitter up because they were money in the clutch. In hockey, we didn’t want the top scores anywhere near the ice if we were protecting a lead with limited minutes left. They got their points, but don’t view the box score alone to determine impact on the game. We just won’t know.

Your point about Coaching is well taken. The staff was not good last year and I personally am not sure they ever would have figured out how to best use what they had. You can get mesmerized by Slick low post moves and natural athleticism that allows a big to go outside and score. As bad as the staff was last year, they have been outstanding this year. CCC designed the team to win the only way it was possible for them to win. Defense! We can agree to disagree, but my opinion is we would be worse with more options!

 

[DaCat]

Who's Young and Nance?

 

[GatoLouco]

You played D1 Basketball Gato, so you obviously have been around talented players. However, your comment on chemistry of teams baffles me. It’s real and I believe most that have played high level athletics will tell you the same. You certainly know more about Basketball than me, but I have been around many successful teams in other sports. Look at the Chicago Bulls as a current example. Zach, Vuc and DeMar are collectively one of the most talented threesomes in the league, yet they together are sub 500. They are not surrounded by comparative bums either. You are correct, we’ll never know, but the best proof is in a second place finish as opposed to a 40 point loss to Iowa!

In baseball, we had a couple players that could hit the ball to the next planet. We wanted them to get us in position to win. When the game was in the line, we wanted the scrappy spray hitter up because they were money in the clutch. In hockey, we didn’t want the top scores anywhere near the ice if we were protecting a lead with limited minutes left. They got their points, but don’t view the box score alone to determine impact on the game. We just won’t know.

Your point about Coaching is well taken. The staff was not good last year and I personally am not sure they ever would have figured out how to best use what they had. You can get mesmerized by Slick low post moves and natural athleticism that allows a big to go outside and score. As bad as the staff was last year, they have been outstanding this year. CCC designed the team to win the only way it was possible for them to win. Defense! We can agree to disagree, but my opinion is we would be worse with more options!

I did not play D1 basketball. Though I played with dozens of former D1 players. Could have played D2 ball, but declined. I knew early on bball was not my future.

I am not denying what you are stating. You are 100% right, the "best" roster does not necessarily make the best team. Maybe on average it does. But it often does not. Kyrie Irving's teams will probably always suck. And I do agree the staff is outstanding this year. And give tons of credit to Collins and don't hide behind the Lowery thing. He either hired him. Or did not hire him but allowed him to influence. And that's leadership and good head coaching.

But I don't think any of this denies what I said. Would we be a better team with RY or/and PN? I don't know. But I don't believe the answer is a definite "no, we wouldn't be".

 

[PurpleWhiteBoy]

I am pretty sure that Chris Collins thought Ryan Young would be his center, with Nicholson the backup this year. Then Young left and most people here freaked out.

Collins went out and picked up Verhoeven to be the starter. His comments indicated that clearly. The word was that Nicholson might get a start here or there against guys like Edey and Dickinson. Turns out that Nicholson was better than Collins (and others) expected.

But its not really a fair discussion. Every player on the team improved defensively when Lowery got to work with them. Some more than others. Ryan Young would have improved defensively too. And he is playing significantly better at Duke than he did at Northwestern, so his potential was never reached at NU.

My feeling is that Young and Verhoeven are very different players, but Young provides a missing dimension on the offensive end. Would Collins have figured out that Nicholson deserved to be the starter over Young? Not sure. Its quite possible we win with Young as the starter, Nicholson getting 15 minutes a game and Verhoeven playing elsewhere. Its okay to speculate.... but Young is a better basketball player than Verhoeven.

 

[TheC]

I did not play D1 basketball. Though I played with dozens of former D1 players. Could have played D2 ball, but declined. I knew early on bball was not my future.

I am not denying what you are stating. You are 100% right, the "best" roster does not necessarily make the best team. Maybe on average it does. But it often does not. Kyrie Irving's teams will probably always suck. And I do agree the staff is outstanding this year. And give tons of credit to Collins and don't hide behind the Lowery thing. He either hired him. Or did not hire him but allowed him to influence. And that's leadership and good head coaching.

But I don't think any of this denies what I said. Would we be a better team with RY or/and PN? I don't know. But I don't believe the answer is a definite "no, we wouldn't be".

And here I was thinking all this time (that is, the time between reading Purple Pile's post to scrolling down a couple posts later and reading this reply) that you were an NCAA D1 hoopster. I used to think you had so much credibility on this board (though, not really for very long as you see above). But really, you're just one of the schmucks like the rest of us (which is really where you were before anyway). How the heck can you go on letting us believe that you were a D1 player (by letting Purple Pile Driver call you one and not correcting him until like 15 minutes later)??

 

[GatoLouco]

And here I was thinking all this time (that is, the time between reading Purple Pile's post to scrolling down a couple posts later and reading this reply) that you were an NCAA D1 hoopster. I used to think you had so much credibility on this board (though, not really for very long as you see above). But really, you're just one of the schmucks like the rest of us (which is really where you were before anyway). How the heck can you go on letting us believe that you were a D1 player (by letting Purple Pile Driver call you one and not correcting him until like 15 minutes later)??

My name is George Santos

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

And here I was thinking all this time (that is, the time between reading Purple Pile's post to scrolling down a couple posts later and reading this reply) that you were an NCAA D1 hoopster. I used to think you had so much credibility on this board (though, not really for very long as you see above). But really, you're just one of the schmucks like the rest of us (which is really where you were before anyway). How the heck can you go on letting us believe that you were a D1 player (by letting Purple Pile Driver call you one and not correcting him until like 15 minutes later)??

The best I ever did in BBall was intermural and Patk District Champ. Probably more in spite of me than because of me. So I stand down to Loco and still consider him our D1 expert even after coming clean. He’s the man !

 

[xxxbobxxx]

You played D1 Basketball Gato, so you obviously have been around talented players. However, your comment on chemistry of teams baffles me. It’s real and I believe most that have played high level athletics will tell you the same. You certainly know more about Basketball than me, but I have been around many successful teams in other sports. Look at the Chicago Bulls as a current example. Zach, Vuc and DeMar are collectively one of the most talented threesomes in the league, yet they together are sub 500. They are not surrounded by comparative bums either. You are correct, we’ll never know, but the best proof is in a second place finish as opposed to a 40 point loss to Iowa!

In baseball, we had a couple players that could hit the ball to the next planet. We wanted them to get us in position to win. When the game was in the line, we wanted the scrappy spray hitter up because they were money in the clutch. In hockey, we didn’t want the top scores anywhere near the ice if we were protecting a lead with limited minutes left. They got their points, but don’t view the box score alone to determine impact on the game. We just won’t know.

Your point about Coaching is well taken. The staff was not good last year and I personally am not sure they ever would have figured out how to best use what they had. You can get mesmerized by Slick low post moves and natural athleticism that allows a big to go outside and score. As bad as the staff was last year, they have been outstanding this year. CCC designed the team to win the only way it was possible for them to win. Defense! We can agree to disagree, but my opinion is we would be worse with more options!

I question the designed part. Not sure that was the sequence. (How many open schollies this year?) I think CCC brought in a great coach and also did some listening. They devised a great system and were willing to change (remember VH started to start the season and BB and Mart played sparingly) and found lightening in a bottle with Boo and Chase learning how to play complimentary unselfish ball.

 

[xxxbobxxx]

The best I ever did in BBall was intermural and Patk District Champ. Probably more in spite of me than because of me. So I stand down to Loco and still consider him our D1 expert even after coming clean. He’s the man !

Btw, PPD is almost 7’ tall and so white that he has white hair. I imagine the in spite of him comment is spot on. He was not the guy I would pick in a pickup game without seeing his game. No offense

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

Btw, PPD is almost 7’ tall and so white that he has white hair. I imagine the in spite of him comment is spot on. He was not the guy I would pick in a pickup game without seeing his game. No offense

Hey Bob, I wouldn’t pick myself either!

 

[Deeringfish]

My name is George Santos

Hah!