Remove the one recruiting advantage you have? Remove the one time of the year little kids say to themselves "can you imaging paying in front of that crowd?" If true, who is Franklin trying to punish, exactly?
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Bringing in Beau last year hurt us more often than it helped.
Moore would portal if he had to play in this scheme. Something he's already done. Put Allar in Oregon and he's putting up elite numbers. Reality.
Franklin is an *** !
He played QB at small school - East Stroudsburg - that had little to do with extreme competition or overflow crowds. He never as a player experienced what PSU players had to deal with last Sat.
OK - he has coached at various levels and major teams - the questions remain - did he learn anything.
OK - ONE holding call against Oregon all game - BUT DDS was held all night.
OK - coach K may be talented, but can PSU win without superflous playmaking - just a clean game ?
Maybe a good recruiter.
Not a good coach.
I am not a FAN of his 'I need more Money' to stay.
He played QB at small school - East Stroudsburg - that had little to do with extreme competition or overflow crowds. He never as a player experienced what PSU players had to deal with last Sat.
OK - he has coached at various levels and major teams - the questions remain - did he learn anything.
OK - ONE holding call against Oregon all game - BUT DDS was held all night.
OK - coach K may be talented, but can PSU win without superflous playmaking - just a clean game ?
Maybe a good recruiter.
Not a good coach.
I am not a FAN of his 'I need more Money' to stay.
Wait, you guys actually believe this story?
Yeah, this seems blatantly untrue. I'd be more likely to believe that Franklin wants every game to be designated a Whiteout than him wanting to get rid of it.
So...let your audience dictate what's news or simply informative? I'm not sure that's the job of the media. Give it to me straight.
So would I. But you and I are in the minority (and these days, journalists earn their living mostly based on popularity).
And unless you are also covering another market. State College and Altoona have very little outside of covering PSU. If the AD pulls your press credentials (not saying this happened) what do you do now?
“Put Allar in Oregon and he’s” aiming the balls and playing scared like he is right now.
He’s thinking too much before he throws and his accuracy is crap. He’s either throwing behind the receivers, too far ahead of them, or just missing them completely. That garbage might fly if he could at least escape pressure, but he either can’t, or won’t because he’s making too many business decisions (that probably won’t be necessary at this point anyway).
if he was playing for Oregon Saturday, as you say, and we had a QB with Moore/McSorley/Pribula abilities, we win that game by at least a couple of TDs. Like Dan Lanning said. Playing 11 on 10 is a heck of a lot easier than playing 11 on 11. With Drew in there, we were basically playing Oregon down a man.
I am not an expert on quarterbacks (like some of you seem to be), but I disagree with you on your assessments of the quarterbacks you listed. Hackenberg has 1 great season under O'Brien. I don't think you can blame Franklin for his regression. Clifford set practically every Penn State passing record and played her best game in his last game in the Rose Bowl. I love Trace but his talent got maxed out during his time at PSU. All three were drafted and pro coaches worked with them in the NFL, but none of them made it. That's not Franklin's fault.
I do agree that Oregon seemed to know a lot of the plays that we were running. I was watching on TV so I could only see so much, but it did look like they knew some of our signals.
You're dead wrong here. The fact you think he's making business decisions when he's running zone read/pitch plays and taking unnecessary hits is hysterical. Again you put him in Oregon's offense with that play calling he's top 3 in the Heisman.
It's sad you don't comprehend how bad the play calling and scheme are. Yet predictable since you're anti pocket passers.
As far as the whiteout goes, I love it and I love the idea of it. On top of that the national sports media (mostly) loves it. My wife told me about someone that she knew who drove up from NC for the game with his son just to attend the whiteout and neither of them has any connection to Oregon or Penn State. I just don't think you can take that away. I think they need to schedule teams that are going to be easier wins. I don't mean Villanova but teams like Iowa that are middle of the pack in the conference. Routinely winning those games will add to the mystique.
I believe the part about Franklin having a tantrum.
The closest thing I saw in my lifetime was the Flyers playing of God Bless America by Kate Smith. And if you were alive, you will never forget the time Kate sang it live. Eventually it wore itself out a bit, much as I think the whiteout has. It becomes a tad routine like the Phillies intro of Duran. It’s the initial novelty, you can’t keep recreating the original and think the sequel is just as impactful.
The Whiteout was a marketing home run when it was first introduced and everyone gets to say they are part of the show. But I’d ask who have the boys beat in an upset other than the scoop and score off the blocked FG. It looks cool but does it really move the needle?
The Whiteout was a marketing home run when it was first introduced and everyone gets to say they are part of the show. But I’d ask who have the boys beat in an upset other than the scoop and score off the blocked FG. It looks cool but does it really move the needle?
No way, make it the biggest game on your schedule. Get Gameday and everyone talking about PSU for the whole week. Who cares what the record is, that thing is a marketing juggernaut that if anyone else tries to replicate it, they are just copying PSU. You grab that thing by the throat and never let it go. Once a year, biggest game on the schedule; be there.
From a recruiting standpoint, a resounding "Yes". And that's a pretty important part of the equation.
I think everyone kind of ignores that football games turn on a few plays: the blatant hold on DDS that results in a big pass play thrown back across the field (which usually results in disaster, but where the heck were our DBs?) and the overturned fumble call. Both were gigantic momentum swings. Yes it was an ugly game offensively, but it was 3-3 at half in a game where we didn’t have much of an offensive pulse in the first half.
I'd add the interception that AJ Harris wasn't able to pull in (that resulted in a completion), and the fumble in OT that was laying on the ground that could have sealed the game for us.
Just like last year against USC, a missed 4th down conversion could have torpedoed the season...but we made those couple of key plays that we needed.
I sort of disagree here. Hackenberg definitely underachieved. He was also part of the least talented PSU team in history due to the sanctions. Clifford was pretty good. And his senior year numbers were very good. He did not regress. Ironically, some on here wanted him benched his senior year to let the freshman Allar play.
I think it’s sold in part by people like Urban saying it’s worth 7 points and it changes games. Did a full whiteout beat OSU in 2005 or the blowout of Nebraska which was the loudest I ever heard that stadium?
I understand that it looks cool on TV but I don’t think great teams, some of which we’ve played over the years, turtled up and couldn’t play in the environment. Face facts, years ago 5*’s wanted to play for titles, now they want the biggest bag. I really don’t think playing 3 whiteout games in their career makes them pick PSU.
Maybe I’m just too cynical.
Perhaps in Oregon's film studies they noted lots of PSU tendencies for pass/run and direction of play. Could be a players stance, hand placement, head movements, lean, foot placement, etc.
Franklin’s teams have been noted for having tendencies picked up by other teams in the past, specifically the OL. I think one of the Villanova players pointed it out the last time they played and another team in the past(Temple?) also admitted they picked up on a tell by the OL. If those teams are picking things up, then other teams are as well. I will say, it appeared that the Oregon DL was getting a jump on the snap all night. They seemed like they knew something.
I think it is a huge advantage. You hear the players from OSU interviewed after the ‘05 game and they definitely noted the environment.
These are the little things that need to be cleaned up by this coaching staff to get them over the top. I mentioned it in some other posts. It is the little details that make the biggest difference that makes teams champions!!
Who the freak cares!!!!! 111,000 people were there and they were standing the whole game. Do you want to go back to the 70s and 80s when you could hear a pin drop in that stadium???
Honestly, I thought the white out was quite impressive. However, as far as recruiting goes I'd say the crowd ended up a negative for recruiting. Hearing the fans chant "Fire Franklin" just canceled any positive recruiting impact from the crowd.
Oh, they were absolutely beatable.
Their offense played four quarters and scored 17 points.
Our offense played 1 quarter and scored 17 points.
But what are they thinking? Maybe they were just being polite?
And it is never good if you most ardent fans (the folks who pay the bills) have seen enough..
Who else gets 11 years at uber-high salary to figure out how to do your job?
If they are letting Oregon hold all game, why aren't we? Like a pitcher would take advantage of an umpire having a bigger strike zone.
Our last two OCs came from Big 12 programs, right?
Been hearing about more closed-door talks on the future of the White Out. Supposedly Franklin’s been pretty vocal behind the scenes, saying the players ‘let him down’ and don’t deserve a White Out next year. He’s pushing for no White Out in ‘26, maybe even ‘27 depending how they start the season. Admin’s apparently fine with it and still backing him through ‘31.
I get if they make it something the team earns early in the season for a later home game, even has to be a noon kick. I’m hoping it’s just tough love for next year, but man, can’t see them actually pulling the White Out.
I’ve already said too much — not trying to mess with the family member’s spot.