Game of Thrones Thread

[Mime-Is-Money]

Hating on this seasons is nothing about suspension of disbelief. We've watched and appreciated ~ 5 seasons of dragons, necromancy, skinchanging, warging, demon birthing, etc, etc, etc, because the writing was great to amazing.

But the questions and doubts arising from the last two seasons surfaced from extremely lazy and inconsistent scripts.

- So grey scale can simply be removed by peeling it off? Why haven't grand maesters proposed this solution at the very early signs of the disease. Seems straight forward.

- So the Night King can hit flying objects from long distances with ice spears that can make a grenade sized hole in dragons? Why didn't he do that as John Snow and crew slowly floated away at the shocking speed of 1 mile an hour in season 5?

- Tyrion is supposed to be one of the greatest minds of Westeros, but suggested a pack of 10 or so people go behind the wall to kidnap one wight to influence his conniving sister to fight the army of the dead? Nope

- The giant crossbow arc was dreadful. Qyburn did some amazing things with wild fire, I expect more than 'maybe this will work if we hopefully hit them'.

- Not sure why Dany sends in the hordes of Dothraki when ambushing Jamie and the Tarly's when she has three flying re-usable nuclear weapons at her disposal. Save the dothraki and just torch the Lannisters.

- the last second introduction of a long lost Uncle Benjen to save John was stooooopid. He just magically vaulted from an ice cold lake, why not just let him get by the tail end of the walkers. Completely unnecessary.

- Arya and Sansa have been through a lot and grown immensely....yet they resort to childish bickering over a letter written when Sansa was a prisoner at Kings Landing. Plus, I'm sure the north lords know she was forced to do things against her will....and they just don't care.

- I don't mind the chains in the last episode....but why even use them? You don't need the dragon to fall into a lake, he was just gutted by the grenade like ice spear. Completely unnecessary.

Some of these may be nitpicking, but the show has obviously lost direction since straying from GRRM's books.

 

[Rupp'sRunt]

So that wasn't Jon's Uncle BenJen? Yes or No

It was his body yes, but benjin's soul is dead and gone. Nobody knows who or what took over his body, I'm assuming it was 3 eye raven and children of the forest but that's a guess.

 

[Rupp'sRunt]

It is unknown but almost certainly was benjen.

In the show, definitely benjen

Benjen's body yes, but it's not benjen "soul" pulling the strings. And the writers of the after show specials even point out that Jon thinks it's benjen but it's not which is why coldhands pulls down his mask to earn jons trust. Idk why you all think Im making this up

 

[Hank Camacho]

Idk why you all think Im making this up

Probably because whether or not you are making it up, it is still nonsense when compared to the narrative established in the show for the first 6 seasons.

 

[Rupp'sRunt]

Probably because whether or not you are making it up, it is still nonsense when compared to the narrative established in the show for the first 6 seasons.

Welcome to Game of Thrones Accelerated version. Keep up or you're probably missing parts. Have you read the books?

 

[TheEgyptianMagician]

It's not like you are privy to some special insight once you willfully stop suspending disbelief and start criticizing every plot inconsistency, perceived or real. What actually happens when you do so is you conflate valid criticisms with invalid ones; you go down a rabbit hole where the only loser is you yourself.

The writing of any and every movie/tv/play whatever can easily be criticized. The vast majority of the time, may or may not be the case here is irrelevant, that criticism is done simply to be fashionable and by people who don't even know the fundamentals of that art form, who couldn't even tell you what denoument means or what an inciting incident is.

 

[thebluestripes]

Hating on this seasons is nothing about suspension of disbelief. We've watched and appreciated ~ 5 seasons of dragons, necromancy, skinchanging, warging, demon birthing, etc, etc, etc, because the writing was great to amazing.

But the questions and doubts arising from the last two seasons surfaced from extremely lazy and inconsistent scripts.

- So grey scale can simply be removed by peeling it off? Why haven't grand maesters proposed this solution at the very early signs of the disease. Seems straight forward.

- So the Night King can hit flying objects from long distances with ice spears that can make a grenade sized hole in dragons? Why didn't he do that as John Snow and crew slowly floated away at the shocking speed of 1 mile an hour in season 5?

- Tyrion is supposed to be one of the greatest minds of Westeros, but suggested a pack of 10 or so people go behind the wall to kidnap one wight to influence his conniving sister to fight the army of the dead? Nope

- The giant crossbow arc was dreadful. Qyburn did some amazing things with wild fire, I expect more than 'maybe this will work if we hopefully hit them'.

- Not sure why Dany sends in the hordes of Dothraki when ambushing Jamie and the Tarly's when she has three flying re-usable nuclear weapons at her disposal. Save the dothraki and just torch the Lannisters.

- the last second introduction of a long lost Uncle Benjen to save John was stooooopid. He just magically vaulted from an ice cold lake, why not just let him get by the tail end of the walkers. Completely unnecessary.

- Arya and Sansa have been through a lot and grown immensely....yet they resort to childish bickering over a letter written when Sansa was a prisoner at Kings Landing. Plus, I'm sure the north lords know she was forced to do things against her will....and they just don't care.

- I don't mind the chains in the last episode....but why even use them? You don't need the dragon to fall into a lake, he was just gutted by the grenade like ice spear. Completely unnecessary.

Some of these may be nitpicking, but the show has obviously lost direction since straying from GRRM's books.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that gets driven crazy by some of the goofiness that's happened this season. Although I enjoyed the last show, the whole plot was just plain dumb, especially when danny flies up there in the freezing cold in a dress no less, only to announce that she now believes john snow.

 

[funKYcat75]

You like to say words.

It's not like you are privy to some special insight once you willfully stop suspending disbelief and start criticizing every plot inconsistency, perceived or real

This is a key point... You (they) aren't privy to some special insight, logic or rational the rest of us have overlooked. It is statistically unreasonable to be treated in such a manner literally every time it's possible for them to do so.

 

[Rupp'sRunt]

You like to say words.

Words is life. Word

 

[Jeff Drummond]

I think these are still wildly enjoyable episodes, but it does require quite a bit of "looking the other way" on some of this stuff. They're trying to make the best of a situation that's less than ideal.

Of all the stuff to nitpick of late, I think the 30 seconds of Benjen was one of the oddest. It was like, "Hey, there's Benjen. Oh. Benjen's dead (again)."

 

[uk_bill]

I don't get the hate on the show runners not being able to write up to the same standards as the original author of the book series. G.R.R. Martin has spent DECADES creating this universe. The show was given the basic guidelines of how the story wraps up - but since the books are not yet finished - they have to create details to complete the timeline - and SUPRISE - they aren't as clever as Martin. They are on budgets (and yes very high budgets) and schedules and the actors have other things going on as well. So a crow flies too fast or a character isn't as defined when being based on decades of source material. Still a great show - fun to watch - and incredibly well done.

 

[TheEgyptianMagician]

I wanted to see the points here but no way am I watching 17+ minutes of those goons to get to said points.

I watched it just to make sure there wasn't any there there, and sure enough there isn't.

If you found yourself agreeing with those tools, it's time to re-evaluate and self reflect... seriously.

@funKYcat75

Maybe time to step away from the Catpaw for a bit when your recollection of posts supercedes that of the poster.

 

[funKYcat75]

@funKYcat75

Maybe time to step away from the Catpaw for a bit when your recollection of posts supercedes that of the poster.

Nah, just sounded like something someone who was trying to sound smarter than he was would say. Googled "privy to some special insight". Sure enough, there you were, among some other message board posts.

 

[TheEgyptianMagician]

The next time I try that will be the first time I've tried it.

But I'm not sure why that warrants talking ****; you're free to be a master of the Catpaw and that wasn't meant as an insult. I read these boards too much myself.

 

[WonderBraa]

I hope tonight's episode is the most unrealistic ever!

 

[TheEgyptianMagician]

There are going to be complaints about the writing the rest of the way as everything gets wrapped up.

 

[catlanta33]

There are going to be complaints about the writing the rest of the way as everything gets wrapped up.

None from me. That was a f'ing fantastic season.

 

[tommyg4uk]

Finale was excellent.

 

[Wall Knight Teague]

I really hope there's no ice dragon in the novel. Feels very cheap.

 

[_ukcat]

I really hope there's no ice dragon in the novel. Feels very cheap.

I truly believe Martin will never finish the last 2 books. I think Martin has told his final vision of his story to HBO and letting them just get to that in a way that tries to tie everything up he has created.

 

[BleedinBlue85]

I think it's been the best season myself. The spoils of war episode and last weeks were really good. I like dragons and no amount of crappy scripting can ruin that.

The writers/directors, or whatever they are called for last weeks admitted they had to fudge the timeline to get the dragons there, it wasn't like they could spend 4 days on that hill and people were going to believe that was possible either.

If this weeks is as good as those two I'd say it's has to be the best season hands down.

Amen

 

[It'saDoneDeal]

You can complain about the map hopping and the catch a wight plotline, but the execution and performances on this show are phenomenal. A really good finale and a great setup for the home stretch.

 

[tommyg4uk]

The acting and execution has been great all season...the writing has been subpar. Still, great finale.

 

[WildMoon]

Damn it.

That was ******* horrible finale. Wtf show writers. Wait a until GRRM finishes book 6 and 7. And redo this damn season. Argg

 

[WildMoon]

I really hope there's no ice dragon in the novel. Feels very cheap.

i think there is a REAL ice dragon in the book. Big massive one. That's my guess.

 

[funKYcat75]

Great ending. Left everything just where it should be. Not sure why Tyrion looked so sad that they were boning, though. Does he know about the family tree?

 

[JohnBlue]

Great ending. Left everything just where it should be. Not sure why Tyrion looked so sad that they were boning, though. Does he know about the family tree?

That or he is planning on betraying dany. I didn't like that we didn't get to see what he and Cersi agreed to. They were all lovey dovey about family when they cut from the scene. Surely he wouldn't for Cersi and with Jamie out of town he can push forward with killing her and not worry about harming his brother.

 

[TCPUKChamps]

 

[KyFaninNC]

Glad to see Lord Balesh meet his end!!

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

Glad to see Lord Balesh meet his end!!

One of the greatest puppetmasters and schemers in all the world suddenly outsmarted by a child. A child hed perfectly manipulated up to the last second.

These are examples of valid complaints with the way writers are wrapping up the show. We all knew littlefinger was likely to eventually run out of luck.

But not like that.

 

[Bill Cosby]

I would have complained if Littlefinger hadn't been killed. Was wondering why the hell Bran, who can see everything, was letting his sisters be manipulated like that.

Solid season finale to get things going back on track, imo.

Was a little pissed at the writing when Euron was allowed to walk out of that meeting. Glad they cleared that up.

 

[catlanta33]

My guess on Littlefinger's death was it would have been anti-climatic if they showed Arya, Sansa and Bran discussing Littlefinger's deceit prior to the trial. Regardless, I loved that scene and how cold-blooded Arya is when need be and still has a big heart. I saw that as a big point of her development where early on, she would have been much more reactionary instead of calculating.

Like Bill above, I don't get how Bran isn't utilized more. Maybe because it would be hard to build suspense if he just sat there telling everyone what just happened like Cersi's intentions to break the agreement. But him telling Littlefinger what he said to Ned before he died was great.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

Bran: "I see everything and know everything".

Also Bran, 2 seconds later: "Why are you here?"

5 seconds later, Bran was shocked to learn about the secret marriage.

 

[cricket3]

I don't think Bran is omnipresent and omniscient. He has the ability to see anything in the past but he actually has to choose to go to that time and place if I'm not mistaken.

I'm on the Bran = Night King train so I've got a feeling he's going to be a major player in season 8.

 

[B Rax_rivals210137]

Basically bran has google installed in his brain and he's the only person in the world with google

 

[DSmith21]

Hating on this seasons is nothing about suspension of disbelief. We've watched and appreciated ~ 5 seasons of dragons, necromancy, skinchanging, warging, demon birthing, etc, etc, etc, because the writing was great to amazing.

But the questions and doubts arising from the last two seasons surfaced from extremely lazy and inconsistent scripts.

- So grey scale can simply be removed by peeling it off? Why haven't grand maesters proposed this solution at the very early signs of the disease. Seems straight forward.

- So the Night King can hit flying objects from long distances with ice spears that can make a grenade sized hole in dragons? Why didn't he do that as John Snow and crew slowly floated away at the shocking speed of 1 mile an hour in season 5?

- Tyrion is supposed to be one of the greatest minds of Westeros, but suggested a pack of 10 or so people go behind the wall to kidnap one wight to influence his conniving sister to fight the army of the dead? Nope

- The giant crossbow arc was dreadful. Qyburn did some amazing things with wild fire, I expect more than 'maybe this will work if we hopefully hit them'.

- Not sure why Dany sends in the hordes of Dothraki when ambushing Jamie and the Tarly's when she has three flying re-usable nuclear weapons at her disposal. Save the dothraki and just torch the Lannisters.

- the last second introduction of a long lost Uncle Benjen to save John was stooooopid. He just magically vaulted from an ice cold lake, why not just let him get by the tail end of the walkers. Completely unnecessary.

- Arya and Sansa have been through a lot and grown immensely....yet they resort to childish bickering over a letter written when Sansa was a prisoner at Kings Landing. Plus, I'm sure the north lords know she was forced to do things against her will....and they just don't care.

- I don't mind the chains in the last episode....but why even use them? You don't need the dragon to fall into a lake, he was just gutted by the grenade like ice spear. Completely unnecessary.

Some of these may be nitpicking, but the show has obviously lost direction since straying from GRRM's books.

Couldn't agree more. The writing is downright lazy. I can't believe how easily the wall came down. To make matters worse the nipple count (as Emilia Clarke calls it) is at an all time low. At one time the show was so racy that they had to hire porn stars to do some of the scenes.

 

[funKYcat75]

I'm on the Bran = Night King train so I've got a feeling he's going to be a major player in season 8.

Yeah. He was warg-ing at the same time the dead dragon started towards the wall. Seems pretty obvious unless they were implying he was one of the ravens flying around. A little too coincidental.

 

[Hank Camacho]

The acting and execution has been great all season...the writing has been subpar. Still, great finale.

Absolutely.

I am going to absolutely hate the Wight Quest and the Ice Dragon because they are objectively dumb, but it is still a great show and it was great to see the finale get back to the roots of what makes the show great. (Other than the stupid effing Ice Dragon.)

 

[B Rax_rivals210137]

That finale was great. Had everything except full on Clegane Bowl, but the hound getting up in Ser Roberts Strong's mangy grill and letting him know that he was going to eventually kill him was a great appetizer.

RIP Tormund and Barrick.

So is season 8 expected to drop early 2019 or something?

 

[Hank Camacho]

I really liked the CleganeBowl tease. That was expertly done.

The dude who plays the Hound is a damn good actor. He and Maisie Williams are my two favorites. I'm hoping they get reunited next season.