Where did I blame the loss on Collins?
You seriously need to learn how to read.
You're imagining things again.
All I did was point out a couple boneheaded moves Collins made or didn't make.
Game Thread for NU vs. No. 13 Illinois
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You seriously need to learn how to read.
You're imagining things again.
All I did was point out a couple boneheaded moves Collins made or didn't make.
Uhh, Nicholson is a sophomore.
There were plenty of opportunities for Collins to get Nicholson valuable experience.
Collins chose not to do it.
Every other coach in the league knows better than that.
Here you go again with the personal insults. I thought we were past that.
The one thing that is sure as the sun rising is that you will criticize CCC in 90% of your posts. Speaking of reading, go back and read your posts in this thread or better yet your posting history. Maybe you are oblivious to it because OT comes so naturally.
I get it. We all get it, you don’t want CCC as the NU Coach. However, pinning that loss on CCC is the height of lunacy. Yes, I know you will say “ I didn’t blame that loss on Collins”, and is precisely your own blind spot to your posting style.
Stop making things up. It is a really bad habit. Personal insults? What are you talking about? You claimed I said something I didn't say. You do that a lot. I called you on it again. And you cry when I call you on it.
Stop the whining please. And stop grossly distorting what I write.
I could do that. Or not. I get tired of people distorting what I write.
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I'm just curious...when did the head coach become not ultimately responsible for everything that happens in their program. I in no way find the result of the Illinois game to be anything to hugely criticize CCC for, but he is responsible for the entirety of the program. That pretty much is the job description.
Maybe nobody cares how I see it, but here goes...
The coach has a roster of players that he sought out.
He and his staff have nearly absolute control over how they teach the players and use the players, how they inspire them or demoralize them. Sometimes the refs or injuries interfere acutely.
The players have widely varying levels of physical gifts, consistency, emotion, awareness, intelligence, attitude and above all, basketball skills.
Before and during games, the coach comes up with a game plan and then deploys his players to hopefully outscore the opponent. There is a never-ending stream of decisions the coach must make. Each one of those decisions has a likelihood of success or failure. These are all decisions that fans criticize or applaud.
The players have a wide range of outcomes, but sometimes what should work doesn't work. Sometimes what shouldn't work actually does work. In general though, over a large enough sample, what should work actually does work.
A successful coach puts his players in advantageous situations most of the time. The results just prove out the validity of the coaches decision-making over time.
This whole rhetorical Collins or players debate is silly. It's not completely one or the other, and everyone here knows that this is the case.
Ultimately, these are Collins' players: He recruited them. He (and his assistants) coach them in practice. He coaches them in games. So he bears the majority of the responsibility for their performance.
Still, this does not absolve the players. They are mostly kids, but it is on them to accept coaching, learn, and improve (or suffer the consequences).
Ultimately, these are Collins' players: He recruited them. He (and his assistants) coach them in practice. He coaches them in games. So he bears the majority of the responsibility for their performance.
Still, this does not absolve the players. They are mostly kids, but it is on them to accept coaching, learn, and improve (or suffer the consequences).
This is very true, it's shared responsibility, especially if we are talking about one game. The caveat is that, over the course of a significant body of games, the responsibility trends to 100% being on the coach. It's never 100%, it just trends, over time, that way.
Now I am convinced you are a moron. You literally questioned whether I could read? Excuse me, but yes I take that as a personal insult. So, if you want to go that route, I am capable of holding my own against a target that gives ample low hanging fruit to attack.
Your go to is “always I never said that” BS response. Dude, go back and read your @&$#ing posts just in this thread. Same MO, everything wrong with this program is on the Coach. You dance around it with your implications like these beauties:
When Beran fouled out, I thought "Collins should finally bring in Nicholson, but he'll probably screw up and go with Williams." He screwed up even worse and brought in neither.
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But common sense should tell a coach that if you get abused 47-30 in rebounding, you're going to lose.
You are like the guy that says describes a girl as having a crooked nose, a hair cut from the fifties, 4 functional teeth and fat *** then tells people he never called her ugly. I never seen a poster in almost in decade here as lacking in self awareness as you!
Absolutely, the HC and the rest of the staff Bears responsibility. I am fine if the decision to move on from CCC is made. Wins are what keep you employed. The arguments on why we lose are comical in some cases and very predictable.
I'm surprised that there haven't been many comments about the defense for offense substitution strategy I thought I heard noted by the announcers in the last two minutes of the game.
Am I incorrect, or did I hear the announcers say that the Cats were substituting in Nance on offense and Ryan Young on defense in the last two?
I'm shocked that Young was perceived as a better defensive option given all the talk about how awful his defense is and how Nance's defense is talked up around here. I wonder if Nance's ankle still isn't right.
Sure. I'm not even talking about change though. I'm just talking about responsibility. The head coach owns all of it.
Collins did sub Nance in for offense and Young in for defense late in the game.
I'd have preferred for them both to be out there. That way you get the defense and the offense. And of course, rebounding matters.
You cited a couple of my "offensive" comments, but truth be told, you agree with them.
Collins had NEVER played Nance, Simmons, Berry, Buie and Audige together against a Power 5 team. And yet there they are, closing out game #17. Does that seem wise to you?
You get so triggered over nothing. And too willing to go into the gutter.
If I has phrased it "Dude, check your bi-focals" would that have sent you spiraling into your current state?
You intentionally distort what I write with alarming regularity. That reflects poorly on you.
Collins is not worth it.
To me, your volume of posting and your opinion is good for this board, so don't stop. I may not always agree with you, but it beats the crickets. By the way, I agree with what @Purple Pile Driver says about your posting style
You guys go get a room.
Well it is Valentine's Day.To me, your volume of posting and your opinion is good for this board, so don't stop. I may not always agree with you, but it beats the crickets. By the way, I agree with what @Purple Pile Driver says about your posting style
You guys go get a room.