Game Thread: Northwestern vs. Rutgers

SimpsonElmwood

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I feel better about him than Reid. Someone out there has to be able to hit an outside shot. We’re getting all this efficiency from Mart but the math doesn’t add up without outside shooting.
Green is a solid passer and rebounder. He was getting beat on D last night and it earned him a spot on the bench for the duration.

My biggest beef with Collins is when things gets tight he snaps at guys / pulls guys on the edge of the rotation. Everyone tightens up and you see what happens down the stretch.

There's been discussion about NU's worst "luck" score on KenPom. Collins's "luck" in bad seasons ultimately is the result of his coaching.
 

Purple Pile Driver

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Green is a solid passer and rebounder. He was getting beat on D last night and it earned him a spot on the bench for the duration.

My biggest beef with Collins is when things gets tight he snaps at guys / pulls guys on the edge of the rotation. Everyone tightens up and you see what happens down the stretch.

There's been discussion about NU's worst "luck" score on KenPom. Collins's "luck" in bad seasons ultimately is the result of his coaching.
This is big boy ball. Players are elite. The expection should be that they can execute. If they can’t they should sit. Accountability comes with the territory. I don’t see ccc going off all that much and if he does it always about a mental lapse not a physical error. Toughness isn’t just physical it’s mostly mental.
 

MCC_Cat

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Green is a solid passer and rebounder. He was getting beat on D last night and it earned him a spot on the bench for the duration.

My biggest beef with Collins is when things gets tight he snaps at guys / pulls guys on the edge of the rotation. Everyone tightens up and you see what happens down the stretch.

There's been discussion about NU's worst "luck" score on KenPom. Collins's "luck" in bad seasons ultimately is the result of his coaching.
Spot on.
 

TheC

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Green is a solid passer and rebounder. He was getting beat on D last night and it earned him a spot on the bench for the duration.

My biggest beef with Collins is when things gets tight he snaps at guys / pulls guys on the edge of the rotation. Everyone tightens up and you see what happens down the stretch.

There's been discussion about NU's worst "luck" score on KenPom. Collins's "luck" in bad seasons ultimately is the result of his coaching.
I'm trying to think of a coach of teams I've followed that don't do this though. Bob Huggins certainly would do this. Jim Calhoun would do it. Izzo does it. What coach doesn't use tough love when guys screw up? They get pulled. They get it "explained" to them. And then they go back in later.
 
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AdamOnFirst

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Green is a solid passer and rebounder. He was getting beat on D last night and it earned him a spot on the bench for the duration.

My biggest beef with Collins is when things gets tight he snaps at guys / pulls guys on the edge of the rotation. Everyone tightens up and you see what happens down the stretch.

There's been discussion about NU's worst "luck" score on KenPom. Collins's "luck" in bad seasons ultimately is the result of his coaching.
With Green not even shooting well from the outside I don’t see how he is remotely a Big Ten player at basically anything right now.
 

hdhntr1

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I'm trying to think of a coach of teams I've followed that don't do this though. Bob Huggins certainly would do this. Jim Calhoun would do it. Izzo does it. What coach doesn't use tough love when guys screw up? They get pulled. They get it "explained" to them. And then they go back in later.
Maybe the difference is that in our case often they don't get back in
 

SimpsonElmwood

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I'm trying to think of a coach of teams I've followed that don't do this though. Bob Huggins certainly would do this. Jim Calhoun would do it. Izzo does it. What coach doesn't use tough love when guys screw up? They get pulled. They get it "explained" to them. And then they go back in later.
It's one thing to pull guys. I have no issue with that. The way he got on KJ was so emotional and visible to everyone in the arena. It was Kevin O'Neill-esque. He had another one with Mullins late in the 2nd half.
 

CatManTrue

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Yes i’d be thrilled to kick it with some fellow NU Alums though im not a alumnus myself 😒!
Our non-alum fans are some of our best.

My grandpa was a huge NU fan when I went there; he had to work and support his family instead of attending college during the Great Depression and later fought in WW2. While he never got to attend college, he was a very intelligent man who took full advantage of his profession’s training and a voracious reader.

He wasn’t just a fan of me: he loved the fun offenses we had 20-25 years ago when he watched Northwestern football or basketball on the TV. He was a Chicagoan through and through and my favorite NU fan to chat with.

We need as many true fans as we can get.
 

Smokejumper

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The breakdowns on D are really disheartening. Did anyone catch the final drive by Rutgers when they took the lead by 1 with a drive 1v1 drive from the top of the key with Reid defending. Reid actually bodied up pretty well, but then it looked like martinelli stood his ground in the middle of the land and instead of sliding partially and putting his hands up to help contest the shot, it looked like he began to box out his man to position for a rebound. Sadly the Rutgers player got past Reid and had a largely uncontested layup for the lead with just a couple of seconds left in the game. Collins called the TO and just looked exasperated and signalled to martinelli - ”couldn’t you have provided some help D and put your hands straight up to contest?”

Needless to say, on every defensive possession there is probably a 1v1 breakdown by an NU player that leads to an aggregiously wide open shot by the opposing team. Seems like the team is already at a disadvantage with the 1v1 breakdowns that they can’t even begin to coach/employ solid team defense to make a difference. Just too sloppy to consistently overcome. I suppose that is both youth and chemistry with 8-9 new players and unfamiliar rotations (not to mention players being asked to play out of position)…

Not sure about tomorrow night, but it would be nice to return to the form and confidence that we played with at the thanksgiving tournament when we went up against a more experienced and bigger UVa squad.