Would more playoff spots benefit Big 12?
Gee limiting Big 12 Options?
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Would more playoff spots benefit Big 12?
the whole season is a playoff. Just win.
More playoff slots mirrors the NBA. Soon "at least we got into the playoffs" becomes something to brag about.
He's probably thinking like some of us have been, and that is he probably doesn't want to see the SEC take 4-5 seats at the playoff table. More SEC teams means more dough for SEC.
Just a lot of posturing by all the teams/conferences not in the SEC. Look at the recent coalition of B1G/ACC/Pac XII. Pretty much a bunch of hot air.
Just a lot of posturing by all the teams/conferences not in the SEC. Look at the recent coalition of B1G/ACC/Pac XII. Pretty much a bunch of hot air.
Much like every post you make here. Maybe I should give you a bloody lip for boring everyone here.
so if the big 10 had a good year and received 3 spots would that not be good for them? If the sec received 5 spots that would still mean there are 7 other available spots
Stalking me in this thread too? You need a hobby...something that doesn't involve men peeing on you.
All true, but I feel most conferences are envious of the SEC, and probably rightfully so, due to their dominance for the last many years. They just don't want to see them dominate further, and mainly not dominate the money. I believe that to be their biggest fear.
But, as they say, to be the man, you have to beat the man, and I'm about ready to open up a can of whoop *** on this kid that keeps derailing threads.
WV is a small state
Most people can easily find who is who in the boxing world
Mistake to claim you were a Golden Glove champion
People much doxed yourself if you ask me
But better chance it was a lie to sound tough
Wouldn’t know her way around the ring
Most people can easily find who is who in the boxing world
Mistake to claim you were a Golden Glove champion
People much doxed yourself if you ask me
But better chance it was a lie to sound tough
Wouldn’t know her way around the ring
What Gee is doing is exactly what he should be doing. All these pundits just want, as they have always wanted--for the BIG 12 to just go away and become G5 schools so they only have to pay attention to the SEC and OU and Texas and Clemson and Ohio State.
Well it doesn't work like that. Gee has something they need, they are going to have to make major changes to get his support.
Well it doesn't work like that. Gee has something they need, they are going to have to make major changes to get his support.
The SEC should never have tried to game the system. They and those crying have no one to blame but themselves for what has transpired after the backstabbing.
probably so just like the big 12 will probably leverage Texas and Oklahoma's possible early exit against espn for a better long term deal.
The sec has always been gaming the system. Like it or not an expanded playoff would benefit the big 12. Once Texas and Oklahoma leave all the blue bloods are gone. It will be much easier for a big 12 team to make the playoffs when there are 12 slots as opposed to 4. Until the Big 12 dissolves they need to try and find away to make it as relevant as possible. A 12 team playoff gives the big 12 conference a decent shot at getting a playoff spot. The Big 12 has always been unstable and nothing will change on that front. Until everyone has a place to go might as well create the best situation as possible.
Yes. Big 12 could make the playoffs if extended to 12 and gives SEC or BIG 10 first round wins.
But the problem is that an expanded playoff is what benefits the B12/WVU, so all he can really do is saber-rattle for now.
If the B12 expands with lower tier teams, Gee will be forced to go along with an expanded playoff, regardless. So his leverage isnt that strong....but perhaps the threat is enough.
It might be enough for ESPN to push WVU on the ACC, perhaps.
Like it or not, the playoff will expand, but NOT in the way the SEC thought it would. It won't be controlled by the network that holds the SEC. It will have conference participation limits.
There probably won't be 12 slots anymore and letting more SEC schools in does not benefit the BIG 12 at all. Just means more SEC schools are pushed.
What would benefit the BIG 12 is if the BIG 12 continues on as a power status conference and is guaranteed a spot in the playoff. There could be 6 or 8 teams in to facilitate this.
Facilitate five power conference champions including the BIG 12 and one additional team, or make it so that the five power conference teams champions are in, and there are 3 at large spots including the top G5 conference.
That way you could have
1 BIG 12
1 Big Ten
1 SEC
1 ACC
1 PAC
then best of G5
ND (if eligible)
one other P5 runner up.
That way you could have
1 BIG 12
1 Big Ten
1 SEC
1 ACC
1 PAC
then best of G5
ND (if eligible)
one other P5 runner up.
There will be other bidders for the CFP inventory as well. All conferences not named SEC will push hard for that.
No conference is guaranteed a spot now. An expanded playoff would benefit the big 12. Espn is a monopoly. They pretty much dominate the college football landscape and unless something drastically changes they will continue to do so. What you're advocating would hurt wvu and the remaining big 12 members.
This is one scenario. Doubt it will go to 12. 8 seems to be what we are mostly hearing. 5 P5, Best G5 2 at large with limit of 1 per conference.
Could this be the reason Gee is positioning his thinking? A limit on # from a single conference would even up the landscape.
This isn’t charity people
No one will agree to a limit on the number of teams for the CFP.
The reason the expansion stopped was because FOX/B1G didn’t want it to expand without other media companies having the ability to bid on it
That simple. Their “alliance” will go along with them
Big 12 by themselves has no say
No one will agree to a limit on the number of teams for the CFP.
The reason the expansion stopped was because FOX/B1G didn’t want it to expand without other media companies having the ability to bid on it
That simple. Their “alliance” will go along with them
Big 12 by themselves has no say
Im sure ESPN with all their resources will play a role but other networks like Fox, CBS, maybe Turner, NBC will as well.
CBS/Paramount is moving away from College Football and investing in soccer
For the most part they all are doing it but CBS sports isn’t the same as ESPN.
ViacomCBS is 1/4 the size of Disney
50 billion in assets compared to 200 billion
Viacom is a big company.
Don’t let this confuse you but they aren’t on the level of Disney in terms of revenue and platforms for their products
So they move a lot different. ESPN can throw money at CFB plus at soccer
CBS sports had to make a choice.
Ultimately they made their money from the SEC and are ready to move on from CFB because the asking price is too much at the top
Unless they see value they won’t move
CBS is probably the most “conservative” of the media companies
They don’t really try much new. They go with the steady hand.
They have some of the longest running shows on television.
Unless they see a mistake like they did with the NFL I don’t see them getting back in.
NFL is far different. They took the NFL from the second most conservative media company in Universal/NBC
For the most part they all are doing it but CBS sports isn’t the same as ESPN.
ViacomCBS is 1/4 the size of Disney
50 billion in assets compared to 200 billion
Viacom is a big company.
Don’t let this confuse you but they aren’t on the level of Disney in terms of revenue and platforms for their products
So they move a lot different. ESPN can throw money at CFB plus at soccer
CBS sports had to make a choice.
Ultimately they made their money from the SEC and are ready to move on from CFB because the asking price is too much at the top
Unless they see value they won’t move
CBS is probably the most “conservative” of the media companies
They don’t really try much new. They go with the steady hand.
They have some of the longest running shows on television.
Unless they see a mistake like they did with the NFL I don’t see them getting back in.
NFL is far different. They took the NFL from the second most conservative media company in Universal/NBC
I disagree. Only way WVU makes the playoffs even at 12 teams is for them to win the conference and go undefeated. (Hyperthetical) So the P4-5 conf get their respective champion in the CFB, SEC gets 6 in on top of the conf champs. Already 9-10 slots are taken. Add another B1G and P12 school and possibly a G5 undefeated conf champion and all 12 slots are filled.
Wvu and the remaining big 12 teams have a better chance of making a the playoffs with 12 slots then they then have with 4. Why don't you look back through the years going into championship weekend and tell me how many undefeated teams there are. Most of the teams that are ranked around 12 have 2 losses. A one loss team in this new constructed big 12 would have a good chance with a 12 team playoff and virtually no chance with a 4 team playoff.
None of those networks are on the same level as Espn. Nbc Sports is shutting down the nbc sports network. The fox sports network has been struggling couldn't even land the 2nd half of the new nhl contract. Like it or not espn is the king of the college sports world.
Thinking Texas will go through 8 or 9 football coaches in the next 20-25 years. Won't be happy competing with Ole Miss and Miss State for 5th place in the SEC-West.
I disagree, his leverage is strong and with Lyons and Luck, they are leading a power surge.
I like your enthusiasm but do you really think a revamped Big XII will have more than one or two teams ranked in the top 15?
Everyone already knows how the ranking system works. I would not be surprised to see at least 6-8 SEC teams ranked in the top 15 every year.
Go back and look at the rankings over the last couple of years and you will see that members of the big 12 not named Texas and Oklahoma would have been in position to make the playoffs if it was a 12 team playoff. Now if its 8 that isn't the case and if its 4 forget about it. You have to look at were these teams were ranked going into championship weekend. Btw I looked at the final ranking over the last couple of years and for the most part the sec only had 3 teams ranked in the final 12 after the national championship game. They did have a good year in 2019 when five teams were in the final 12 but that's not the case in recent memory.
I posted this on TOS earlier this afternoon. Things are not always as they seem….
“With calculated and concerted effort, the elite have loosed their media hounds to discredit WVU’s ‘idiot President.’
”A crap school or conference such as West Virginia and its Little 8 should bow down and thank their lucky stars that it has a 1 in 12 playoff chance to win a national title! Actually, that is not quite true. Any team seeded #5 or lower will have to win FOUR straight playoff games, after having had to win its conference championship game, to win it all. On the other hand, as many as four SEC teams could comprise the top four seeds - so two of those did not even have to play for the SEC title and another top 4 seed could have played and even lost the SEC championship game! So, in theory, three SEC teams could only have to win THREE postseason games to take the trophy! A crap team or league like WVU or the Little 8 will almost always have to win FIVE games postseason to be the champ — and we will make sure the seeds sprout that way, ha ha! Ain‘t it beautiful? It’s a fail-safe for the bluebloods and ESPN!
So, just keep spinnin‘ that WVU will have a 1 in 12 chance if it plays ball -- and that is only IF we allow the Little 8 a token berth, hee hee! And how many years can the Little 8 ride that token slot earning chicken feed while berths for 5-6 teams make the SEC richer, bigger and more powerful season by season! Yeah, Gee is sly enough not to swallow ESPN snake oil but we know how to handle his type…start with the bow tie and all the times his jokes hurt Notre Dame’s feelings! It’s like shootin‘ ducks in a barrel! Yeehaw! YAHOOO!!!’”
“With calculated and concerted effort, the elite have loosed their media hounds to discredit WVU’s ‘idiot President.’
”A crap school or conference such as West Virginia and its Little 8 should bow down and thank their lucky stars that it has a 1 in 12 playoff chance to win a national title! Actually, that is not quite true. Any team seeded #5 or lower will have to win FOUR straight playoff games, after having had to win its conference championship game, to win it all. On the other hand, as many as four SEC teams could comprise the top four seeds - so two of those did not even have to play for the SEC title and another top 4 seed could have played and even lost the SEC championship game! So, in theory, three SEC teams could only have to win THREE postseason games to take the trophy! A crap team or league like WVU or the Little 8 will almost always have to win FIVE games postseason to be the champ — and we will make sure the seeds sprout that way, ha ha! Ain‘t it beautiful? It’s a fail-safe for the bluebloods and ESPN!
So, just keep spinnin‘ that WVU will have a 1 in 12 chance if it plays ball -- and that is only IF we allow the Little 8 a token berth, hee hee! And how many years can the Little 8 ride that token slot earning chicken feed while berths for 5-6 teams make the SEC richer, bigger and more powerful season by season! Yeah, Gee is sly enough not to swallow ESPN snake oil but we know how to handle his type…start with the bow tie and all the times his jokes hurt Notre Dame’s feelings! It’s like shootin‘ ducks in a barrel! Yeehaw! YAHOOO!!!’”