Where those teams are ranked after the national championship isn't the issue. It where they are ranked at the end of the regular season that will matter for playoff selection. It's a different story if you go back and look at those rankings.
Where those teams are ranked after the national championship isn't the issue. It where they are ranked at the end of the regular season that will matter for playoff selection. It's a different story if you go back and look at those rankings.Go back and look at the rankings over the last couple of years and you will see that members of the big 12 not named Texas and Oklahoma would have been in position to make the playoffs if it was a 12 team playoff. Now if its 8 that isn't the case and if its 4 forget about it. You have to look at were these teams were ranked going into championship weekend. Btw I looked at the final ranking over the last couple of years and for the most part the sec only had 3 teams ranked in the final 12 after the national championship game. They did have a good year in 2019 when five teams were in the final 12 but that's not the case in recent memory.
Go back and read my post a second time I stated that very point. On most years the Big12 would have had 1-2 teams not named Texas and Oklahoma that would be position to make the playoffs if it were a 12 team playoff. On most years the sec only has had 3-4 teams near the top 12 and not 6-8 like some on here have said.Where those teams are ranked after the national championship isn't the issue. It where they are ranked at the end of the regular season that will matter for playoff selection. It's a different story if you go back and look at those rankings.
No one will agree to a limit on the number of teams from a conference? That's a pretty bold statement for someone not involved in the voting. The Big 12 has no say, but the individual teams do, this is not a conference vote.This isn’t charity people
No one will agree to a limit on the number of teams for the CFP.
The reason the expansion stopped was because FOX/B1G didn’t want it to expand without other media companies having the ability to bid on it
That simple. Their “alliance” will go along with them
Big 12 by themselves has no say
Now add OK & Texas. They both will increase the # in rankings. Why do you think the SEC was pushing so hard for the 12 team playoff. They already had O & T in their back pocket.Go back and look at the rankings over the last couple of years and you will see that members of the big 12 not named Texas and Oklahoma would have been in position to make the playoffs if it was a 12 team playoff. Now if its 8 that isn't the case and if its 4 forget about it. You have to look at were these teams were ranked going into championship weekend. Btw I looked at the final ranking over the last couple of years and for the most part the sec only had 3 teams ranked in the final 12 after the national championship game. They did have a good year in 2019 when five teams were in the final 12 but that's not the case in recent memory.
I didn't say they had that many. I am referring to the future.Go back and read my post a second time I stated that very point. On most years the Big12 would have had 1-2 teams not named Texas and Oklahoma that would be position to make the playoffs if it were a 12 team playoff. On most years the sec only has had 3-4 teams near the top 12 and not 6-8 like some on here have said.
People can change this narrativeI didn't say they had that many. I am referring to the future.
" I would not be surprised to see at least 6-8 SEC teams ranked in the top 15 every year."
I honestly wish the conferences would all break up and be recreated by regions... I dislike where CFB is headed and it is being lead by the SEC and ESPN.People can change this narrative
Not too hard. Beat them on the field
I don’t get why people go after the SEC. They have earned it
The B1G not as much. Just look at basketball last year. Perfect example
If you beat those teams you get the credit.
People are acting as if the top is blocked
It is for Mickey Mouse Programs
UCF thinks they can play nobody and get included
Even they saw the stupidity in that. Looked like cowards.
College Football is pretty much behaving like the rest of this countryI honestly wish the conferences would all break up and be recreated by regions... I dislike where CFB is headed and it is being lead by the SEC and ESPN.
Lead the way!College Football is pretty much behaving like the rest of this country
If you look at these as individuals companies or the conferences as companies
You see major mergers happening. Huge companies dominating an industry
How capitalism works
Not everyone is born on a level playing field and not every company/school has the same resources
Can’t really complain
But WVU is still there. Still has the ability to change the outcome
Going back to Oliver Luck and Gordon Gee…Lead the way!
I'm old enough to be able to complain. lolCollege Football is pretty much behaving like the rest of this country
If you look at these as individuals companies or the conferences as companies
You see major mergers happening. Huge companies dominating an industry
How capitalism works
Not everyone is born on a level playing field and not every company/school has the same resources
Can’t really complain
But WVU is still there. Still has the ability to change the outcome
I'm old enough to be able to complain. lol
Not everything has to come down to capitalism... Keep the sport for what it was meant to be "entertainment". Doesn't need to be a business.
They have taken a sport that used to be fun to watch and turned it into a pony show. Wait and see which teams get all the prime time slots... At least I have ESPN+ to watch the WVU games on.
I disagree, his leverage is strong and with Lyons and Luck, they are leading a power surge.
I doubt it just go back over the last 10 years and you will see that this isn't the case. Opinions can be misleading but numbers don't lieI didn't say they had that many. I am referring to the future.
" I would not be surprised to see at least 6-8 SEC teams ranked in the top 15 every year."
How many times has Texas been ranked over the last 10 years? Oklahoma might have helped in the rankings but its only really helps if you beat them. The newly configured big 12 on most years will have a team that wins 10 games. That 10 win team will be ranked near the top 12. Just go back and look over the last 10 years you will see that its the case. You will also see that there aren't 6 sec teams ranked in the top 15 either. I am not being optimistic in my statements I am just stating statistical facts.Now add OK & Texas. They both will increase the # in rankings. Why do you think the SEC was pushing so hard for the 12 team playoff. They already had O & T in their back pocket.
To be fair, "I feel" that the only teams that should be in a playoff are the Conference Champs.
That Big 12 team that you mentioned would be getting one of the automatic bids as a one of the top 6 conference winners. They aren't figuring into the 6 at large selection. The issue is that Oklahoma, with their track record, would give the SEC another team likely to get an at large birth. The other problem is that by having so many schools, the get to spread out the losses, which helps them have more teams in the hunt for an at large birth. By your own admission, the SEC currently gets 3 or 4 teams that would be ranked that highly as it is. Add in Oklahoma, plus spreading out the losses, and I find it very conceivable that the SEC would get in 5 or 6 teams on a regular basis.How many times has Texas been ranked over the last 10 years? Oklahoma might have helped in the rankings but its only really helps if you beat them. The newly configured big 12 on most years will have a team that wins 10 games. That 10 win team will be ranked near the top 12. Just go back and look over the last 10 years you will see that its the case. You will also see that there aren't 6 sec teams ranked in the top 15 either. I am not being optimistic in my statements I am just stating statistical facts.
Not at all The sec would rarely get 5-6 teams. Adding in Oklahoma would get them to 4 that's if Oklahoma maintains their status which is very shaky. They haven't performed all that well when the have faced the sec title contenders, I don't think any conference should get an automatic bid. They don't now If Pitt would have upset Clemson in the acc championship a few years back you're telling me that an 8-6 team deserves a bid.That Big 12 team that you mentioned would be getting one of the automatic bids as a one of the top 6 conference winners. They aren't figuring into the 6 at large selection. The issue is that Oklahoma, with their track record, would give the SEC another team likely to get an at large birth. The other problem is that by having so many schools, the get to spread out the losses, which helps them have more teams in the hunt for an at large birth. By your own admission, the SEC currently gets 3 or 4 teams that would be ranked that highly as it is. Add in Oklahoma, plus spreading out the losses, and I find it very conceivable that the SEC would get in 5 or 6 teams on a regular basis.
Going back to 2010 if there was a 12 team playoff this is how many spots the sec would have received. I have included Oklahoma as an sec team.That Big 12 team that you mentioned would be getting one of the automatic bids as a one of the top 6 conference winners. They aren't figuring into the 6 at large selection. The issue is that Oklahoma, with their track record, would give the SEC another team likely to get an at large birth. The other problem is that by having so many schools, the get to spread out the losses, which helps them have more teams in the hunt for an at large birth. By your own admission, the SEC currently gets 3 or 4 teams that would be ranked that highly as it is. Add in Oklahoma, plus spreading out the losses, and I find it very conceivable that the SEC would get in 5 or 6 teams on a regular basis.
Best 12 we want a true national championship not a charity ball.B12
B10
ACC
PAC
SEC
Auto bid for champions.
One at large spot.
or
P5 with an auto bid and 3 at large spots with one guarantee for top G5.
No reason now to have it any bigger.
Then it would mostly SEC for sure.Not at all The sec would rarely get 5-6 teams. Adding in Oklahoma would get them to 4 that's if Oklahoma maintains their status which is very shaky. They haven't performed all that well when the have faced the sec title contenders, I don't think any conference should get an automatic bid. They don't now If Pitt would have upset Clemson in the acc championship a few years back you're telling me that an 8-6 team deserves a bid.
Dont need 12 to get the best, but this alignment would cover the best.Best 12 we want a true national championship not a charity ball.
It doesn't matter if you think they should get automatic bids. The proposal is that they do. You list just proves the point. The SEC had 4 to 6 teams in most of the years you listed.Not at all The sec would rarely get 5-6 teams. Adding in Oklahoma would get them to 4 that's if Oklahoma maintains their status which is very shaky. They haven't performed all that well when the have faced the sec title contenders, I don't think any conference should get an automatic bid. They don't now If Pitt would have upset Clemson in the acc championship a few years back you're telling me that an 8-6 team deserves a bid.
They only had 6 more than once and even at 6 that still means half the field is made up of other teams. The sec will have an advantage due to the depth of blue bloods within the league. At the end of the day the non sec schools need to commit to being better.It doesn't matter if you think they should get automatic bids. The proposal is that they do. You list just proves the point. The SEC had 4 to 6 teams in most of the years you listed.
Oklahoma will be 9-3 to 8-4 most years in the sec. Some of the Oklahoma teams that won the big 12 would not have sniffed the sec title.What will likely be seen with the SEC is teams knocking off teams.
You've got
Alabama
Oklahoma
Then below those two
Georgia
and then the occasional
Florida
LSU
Then a jumble for the rest.
Well those schools now will be knocking each other off. Texas can beat Georgia, FL, LSU. Oklahoma can sometimes beat Alabama and vice versa, and al the rest.
So schools that were starting to become accustomed to winning are suddenly going to be looking at loss filled seasons.
Conversely, if the BIG 12 schools remain and add, you'll see some schools move to the top like a Clemson has in the ACC or rotating schools in the PAC. The more they win, the better recruits/exposure etc. And those programs become similar level powers.
Really exposure will be as important as anything for the schools on top.
But in a few years the BIG 12 reconstituted will have undefeated or one loss champions competing for national titles just the same as now--will just be a different team or teams.
Meanwhile the Alabama's and OU's could find themselves with multiple losses instead.
Tonight i will take a look at the last 10 years for the other conferences. I just focused on the sec since most have focused on them. From what I can remember everyone pretty much benefitted from a 12 team playoff.Then it would mostly SEC for sure.