Gibson contract extension. Another HC in waiting situation?

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I hope not, the fan base is divided enough. However the terms of the contract I've seen makes it look that way.


Vernon, delete this if it's not appropriate for this board. Thanks!
 

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What terms make you think that way?

From what I've read it simply guarantees his contract (with a slight raise) if DH gets fired.

That's not unusual for assistants in major programs.
 

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What terms make you think that way?

From what I've read it simply guarantees his contract (with a slight raise) if DH gets fired.

That's not unusual for assistants in major programs.

That's actually great news! I like Gibson, he's done a great job in 2 years. He has earned his paycheck, unlike another assistant on staff who I will not name (but we all know).

Also, this seems kind of funny. If Holgerson is getting an extension like his loverboy on here keeps posting, then why the wording of guaranteeing Gibby's contract in the case of Holgerson being fired? I mean if Dana is that safe, right? Why would this need to be guaranteed?

I think that next year will be the judgment year for Holgorsen. Now, what is the magic number if next year is the year? Is it 7-5? Or 8-4? Or 6-6?

I'll say this, if he goes 7-5.....I'm fine with him getting extended. If he goes 6-6......ahhh.....finish out the year remaining.......5-7 or worse, time for a change.
 
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What new coach is going to want to be stuck with a DC who worked under the previous regime? Any HC worth his salt is going to want his own man at a such a critical position.

We saw how well Holgorsen and Casteel worked together in such a situation.
 

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What new coach is going to want to be stuck with a DC who worked under the previous regime? Any HC worth his salt is going to want his own man at a such a critical position.

We saw how well Holgorsen and Casteel worked together in such a situation.

What coach? One that knows how hard it is to find good coaches and keep continuity on the side of the ball that is very crucial in times of coaching change (defense). Fuentes did it with VT by keeping Foster and his assistants (not like he had a choice, though). IF....and it's an "IF" at this point.....Holgerson is let go in the near future, the new coach (if not Gibby) would be lucky to have Gibson and his defensive guys to remain on staff.
 

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And there's the rub. Fuentes was forced to keep Foster, while he occupies a job the Foster views that should have been his. Tech kept Foster for years by dangling the HC job in front of him.

I don't have a thing against Gibson. However the wording of his contract walks and quacks like HC in waiting. That doesn't portend well for a critical season with an existing HC on short leash. Why add extra tension?
 

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And there's the rub. Fuentes was forced to keep Foster, while he occupies a job the Foster views that should have been his. Tech kept Foster for years by dangling the HC job in front of him.

I don't have a thing against Gibson. However the wording of his contract walks and quacks like HC in waiting. That doesn't portend well for a critical season with an existing HC on short leash. Why add extra tension?

Interested to hear what your feelings were when they did this with Holgerson while Stew was head coach. People were fine with that, then.
 

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That's actually great news! I like Gibson, he's done a great job in 2 years. He has earned his paycheck, unlike another assistant on staff who I will not name (but we all know).

Also, this seems kind of funny. If Holgerson is getting an extension like his loverboy on here keeps posting, then why the wording of guaranteeing Gibby's contract in the case of Holgerson being fired? I mean if Dana is that safe, right? Why would this need to be guaranteed?

I think that next year will be the judgment year for Holgorsen. Now, what is the magic number if next year is the year? Is it 7-5? Or 8-4? Or 6-6?

I'll say this, if he goes 7-5.....I'm fine with him getting extended. If he goes 6-6......ahhh.....finish out the year remaining.......5-7 or worse, time for a change.

I'm sure that clause was demanded by Gibson's agent, not WVU. To me it just sounds like someone was doing their job correctly, for Gibby. IMO, it doesn't reflect much about WVU's position on DH.
 

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I thought it was bonehead move. Stewart was a solid 9-3 coach pushed out by delusional boosters and fans. Luck gave them what they wanted and they've been moaning ever since.

What Stewart did afterwards was reprehensible, and the reason I don't think much of the man. Either live up to your end of the deal or call it quits, take your golden parachute, and move on. Petty backdoor vendettas played out in the press do no one any good.
 

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Good point, Darth.

Wbgvwbgv, I bet you spent a lot of time sitting by the teachers desk in grade school. Pokin' the Dana haters, you darned scamp. lol.

I've got to go eat, Sofia Vergara is coming on in ten minutes. Al Bundy finally got the wife he deserved.
 

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Good point, Darth.

Wbgvwbgv, I bet you spent a lot of time sitting by the teachers desk in grade school. Pokin' the Dana haters, you darned scamp. lol.

I've got to go eat, Sofia Vergara is coming on in ten minutes. Al Bundy finally got the wife he deserved.

You REALLY got me thinkin....WOWZERS!!!!
 

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Its clear that the university wanted to retain Gibby's services. Reports are he is/was under consideration elsewhere. So they modified his contract. Doesn't reflect on Coach Holgorsen in any way shape or form.
 

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Not that I want it, but RRod would do it.

What new coach is going to want to be stuck with a DC who worked under the previous regime? Any HC worth his salt is going to want his own man at a such a critical position.

We saw how well Holgorsen and Casteel worked together in such a situation.
 

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And there's the rub. Fuentes was forced to keep Foster, while he occupies a job the Foster views that should have been his. Tech kept Foster for years by dangling the HC job in front of him.

I don't have a thing against Gibson. However the wording of his contract walks and quacks like HC in waiting. That doesn't portend well for a critical season with an existing HC on short leash. Why add extra tension?
You have an odd way of looking at things, doesn't appear as a "coach in waiting" in any way shape or form. Articles stated Gibson was under consideration elsewhere--therefore they made sure he'd want to stay. Nothing more.
 

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I have no idea what this means other than Gibson being given a contract he deserves. I also think if WVU wanted to find a new head coach there would be plenty of coaches who would love to have Gibson stay and run the defense. Gibson is a great recruiter and DC. He is an asset not a liability to another head coach. Not sure that Gibson wouldn't make a good head coach either so there's always that scenario too.
 

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Gibson is getting consideration for Head Coach jobs. He has a good position to negotiate from and his agent secured him a nice deal. People get paid to do this stuff.
 

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1) Gibby has only been "the guy" on defense for 1 year. He essentially was mentored (and very well) by Bradley 2 seasons ago. Way too green to be a P5 HC here or anywhere else.
2) Gibby was in a good position to negotiate from and he took advantage of it.
3) Gibby would be a great anchor for a new HC to latch onto for recruiting as well as continuity's sake.
4) The big donors aren't going to settle on Gibby when Dana gets let go (which he surely will unless he wins at least 8 regular season games next year).
 

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The defense has improved under Gibson. I also agree with a few things 2 things said above.

Bradley was very important in 2014, when we made the significant improvement from historically bad to average. To Gibson's credit, while it's hard to say we further improved from 2014 to 2015, we didn't regress, despite losing Bradley. You get more credit for average performance when it follows on the heels of terrible ones. Gibson was a bit heavy-handed this preseason with the hype but that kind of coach-speak is meant as more for internal consumption and making the players confident as it is to be legitimately informative. He's probably now learned that he should focus the confidence building on private talks witht he team and be more bland when talking to the media or fans. Not a biggie.

Under Deforest, and to a lesser extent Patterson, our defense often looked bewildered and as if one half the team was playing one defense and the other a different one. In 2012 and 2013, the mental mistakes and poor fundamentals were the defining characteristics of our D. We made practically every QB look great. The last 2 years, the good QBs still looked very good against us, but the average ones looked average and poor ones mostly poor. That alone is a major improvement.

I also think Gibson wisely both simplified the defense and called it more aggressively during games.

The other thing I agree with is I think it would be a huge mistake to promote him from relatively inexperienced coordinator to head coach of a Power 5 team. I've seen that movie before. I wouldn't even want a more successful and more experienced coordinator with zero head coaching experience.
 

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The defense has improved under Gibson. I also agree with a few things 2 things said above.

Bradley was very important in 2014, when we made the significant improvement from historically bad to average. To Gibson's credit, while it's hard to say we further improved from 2014 to 2015, we didn't regress, despite losing Bradley. You get more credit for average performance when it follows on the heels of terrible ones. Gibson was a bit heavy-handed this preseason with the hype but that kind of coach-speak is meant as more for internal consumption and making the players confident as it is to be legitimately informative. He's probably now learned that he should focus the confidence building on private talks witht he team and be more bland when talking to the media or fans. Not a biggie.

Under Deforest, and to a lesser extent Patterson, our defense often looked bewildered and as if one half the team was playing one defense and the other a different one. In 2012 and 2013, the mental mistakes and poor fundamentals were the defining characteristics of our D. We made practically every QB look great. The last 2 years, the good QBs still looked very good against us, but the average ones looked average and poor ones mostly poor. That alone is a major improvement.

I also think Gibson wisely both simplified the defense and called it more aggressively during games.

The other thing I agree with is I think it would be a huge mistake to promote him from relatively inexperienced coordinator to head coach of a Power 5 team. I've seen that movie before. I wouldn't even want a more successful and more experienced coordinator with zero head coaching experience.


I agree with your agreeing with me.

Gibby is not a HCIW. That being said, this might be in place IF Dana was fired mid season 2016 to ensure a bump in salary if made interim HC...which I would see happening if Dana got the ax before next bowl season.
 

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I don't have a thing against Gibson. However the wording of his contract walks and quacks like HC in waiting. That doesn't portend well for a critical season with an existing HC on short leash. Why add extra tension?

I don't get that from it. I think it just separates Gibson from Holgerson, giving Gibson a little better feeling of security knowing that Holgerson's seat is going to be very hot next year. With him being mentioned in other HC searches, I think it was a good move to make him feel more secure here.
 

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All WVU did was remove a paragraph from a contract and agreed to pay money that they were already expecting to pay.
 
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I have no idea what this means other than Gibson being given a contract he deserves. I also think if WVU wanted to find a new head coach there would be plenty of coaches who would love to have Gibson stay and run the defense. Gibson is a great recruiter and DC. He is an asset not a liability to another head coach. Not sure that Gibson wouldn't make a good head coach either so there's always that scenario too.
Gibson is a good recruiter. I'll hold off on anointing him a good DC or potential Power 5 HC. Our D this year was just OK with having A LOT of people back.
 

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I don't get that from it. I think it just separates Gibson from Holgerson, giving Gibson a little better feeling of security knowing that Holgerson's seat is going to be very hot next year. With him being mentioned in other HC searches, I think it was a good move to make him feel more secure here.
agree and we have a whole lot of people whose imaginations tend to take over their reasoning. always looking for something hidden that they can dig out and interpret for the rest of us. Why are we so anxious to see something sinister in everything that happens? Man doe it get tiring .
 

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Making Gibson a head coach in waiting would be sinister? The latest chapter in accomplishments for DH is the record 2,000 tickets sold to WVU and fans for the bowl game. Now that's a joke. But a lot of us remember the Pinstripe....But poor DH needs time....sooner or later he will take us to championships....Sinister was the extension ole Ollie gave DH....