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Beatle Bum

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You have a hard time with the truth

This is funny. You don’t post the truth. You only post things that support the narrative you like. That avoidance is patent and is why you are called a troll. This thread has become about the rest of us filling in the gaping holes in your presentation. That is the truth.
 

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the 99mph are the DEFINING factor on why the fires are an issue. no air support as a result. this fire has screwed over 20 plus families i know personally for decades, and many firefighters who are close family friends.

High winds during fires isn't a new phenomenon for California. Perhaps the sustained high mph is, however, this wouldn't have been near the issue it is were it not for the lack of preparation headed by Newsom and the rest of their liberal ignorant contingent.
 

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High winds during fires isn't a new phenomenon for California. Perhaps the sustained high mph is, however, this wouldn't have been near the issue it is were it not for the lack of preparation headed by Newsom and the rest of their liberal ignorant contingent.
Yeah, the high winds will speed up the burning, but ultimately having no water to fight the fires with is worse. It would just prolong the inevitable if high winds did not exist.
 
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the 99mph are the DEFINING factor on why the fires are an issue. no air support as a result. this fire has screwed over 20 plus families i know personally for decades, and many firefighters who are close family friends.
Thank you for some much needed sanity and intelligence. crazy winds and drought are a nasty combo
 
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This is interesting to read, I think, as it strikes me as a fair discussion of carbon emissions with fossil fuel industry folks at the table. It seems there’s little denial of the effects of burning fossil fuels … the problem is what to do about it.

 
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Unprecedented conditions. 99 mph winds and drought—-climate change? Probably
Preventable...definitely

Maybe don't deplete your brush removal budget for "green initiatives" and have your state sue to stop a president who tried to move water from federal lands to your city for this exact thing bc....orange man bad.

Or, maybe have some kind of plan in place at all. Remember, citizens voted to have water brought into the city...Newsom ignored it
 

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Preventable...definitely

Maybe don't deplete your brush removal budget for "green initiatives" and have your state sue to stop a president who tried to move water from federal lands to your city for this exact thing bc....orange man bad.

Or, maybe have some kind of plan in place at all. Remember, citizens voted to have water brought into the city...Newsom ignored it
I can’t speak to the politics of it. The extreme weather events are becoming more frequent. Scientists predicted as much
 

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What do think works better in a crisis.

A practical response or an emotional one?

Looks like platitudes and pronouns didn't stop anything. Maybe paying attention to your powerlines and infrastructure as a governor instead of kickbacks to the power company and having a shortage of fire fighters because:

 

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I can’t speak to the politics of it. The extreme weather events are becoming more frequent. Scientists predicted as much


California does nothing to prevent, and actively takes steps to increase the risk of massive wildfires.

Everyone tells them forest and water mismanagement will lead to more massive, destructive wildfires.

Massive wildfires happen more frequently and cause more destruction in turn.

“See, these extreme weather events are happening more frequently, it must be global warming. We need to eliminate gas powered cars so these fires don’t happen so often!!!”
 

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California does nothing to prevent, and actively takes steps to increase the risk of massive wildfires.

Everyone tells them forest and water mismanagement will lead to more massive, destructive wildfires.

Massive wildfires happen more frequently and cause more destruction in turn.

“See, these extreme weather events are happening more frequently, it must be global warming. We need to eliminate gas powered cars so these fires don’t happen so often!!!”
Scientists predicted as much. More fires, more drought, stronger hurricanes, more floods, etc.
 

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Scientists predicted as much. More fires, more drought, stronger hurricanes, more floods, etc.
OR, hear me out, maybe humans building a ton of houses and such in places that aren’t really meant for it are making the naturally occurring weather events much worse than they used to be. Add in states deciding not to take the mitigating steps needed to help limit damage by said naturally occurring events (ex: California politicians deciding not to clear dead brush or do any preemptive burning) and the impact of those, once again, naturally occurring events end up getting amplified.

No idea why I’m replying to someone like you, but it did need to be said.
 

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Welp


The dogma has been challenged...Blasphemy!

I guess we'll have to wait for the next event to see if the messiah arrives: Jesus is the son of God, Muhammed is a prophet, this weather event is climate change!


If the rumors about people starting the fires is true, the arsonists immediately become the DEFINING factor in this story.
 
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If the rumors about people starting the fires is true, the arsonists immediately become the DEFINING factor in this story.

It isn't the first wildfire caused by arson. In fact there are a few. It just gets swept under the rug so people can scream climate change.

That said, even arson wouldn't cause this much damage if they would manage that tinder. Instead the whole thing is a matchbox because they don't want to disturb the environment. Newsflash: everything burning down is a much worse environment disruption.

Its just like the increased flooding. Thats happening because Obama's epa stopped dredging because it disturbed the fish. As if the rivers and creeks spilling over their banks didn't disturb the fish even more by killing them when water receded.

Its insanity.
 

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The problem is people who think we need or can to do something about it.
Fortunately, and unfortunately, we will, and the dims know this. They put money into these fake or false social problems while cutting money from ones they know we will need in a crisis. But, when audited and questioned on where the money went on these supposed social warrior projects, can't tell you what happened to the money (we know, laundered). Then, when these disasters come, we donate money to these organizations that go in to help and they know this. Bottom line, they take tax money for themselves or their projects knowing that the American people will pony up more money to help those in trouble.
 

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Scientists predicted as much. More fires, more drought, stronger hurricanes, more floods, etc.
Events like these were predicted in the Bible long before anyone knew what science even was.
You'd think that "climate alarmists" would want to do what should've been done years ago by clearing out all the dead and down debris that creates a tinder box. Look at ALL that co2 now.
If only there was a way to have water to prevent all that stuff from polluting the air 🤔.
There should be warning labels on Cali's progressive politicians bios: KNOWN TO THE REST OF THE COUNTRY AS THOSE WHO PUT SMELT AND SALMON OVER HUMAN LIVES. PLACE ON A PEDESTAL AT YOUR OWN RISK.
 

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Copied straight from well known science denier Wikipedia:

“Since the early 2010s, wildfires in California are growing more dangerous because of the accumulation of wood fuel in forests, higher population, and aging and often poorly maintained electricity transmission and distribution lines, particularly in areas serviced by Pacific Gas and Electric. United States taxpayers pay about US$3 billion a year to fight wildfires, and big fires can lead to billions of dollars in property losses.[6] At times, these wildfires are fanned or made worse by strong, dry winds, known as Diablo winds when they occur in the northern part of the stateand Santa Ana winds when they occur in the south. However, from a historical perspective, it has been estimated that prior to 1850, about 4.5 million acres (17,000 km2) burned yearly, in fires that lasted for months, with wildfire activity peaking roughly every 30 years, when up to 11.8 million acres (47,753 km3) of land burned.[7][8] The much larger wildfire seasons in the past can be attributed to the policy of Native Californians regularly setting controlled burns and allowing natural fires to run their course, which prevented devastating wildfires from overrunning the state.[7]