Grayson Allen; the stay or go watch
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Grayson will test the waters, have tryouts with NBA teams, talk to family, and most of all, will listen to the advice of Coach K. First round status is very hard to turn down, and I wouldn't be surprised if K advises Grayson to go, but he has plenty of room for improvement, loves being at Duke, and really values his education.
My gut instinct tells me that he returns for one (1) more year, gets his degree, and still goes in the first round next year. Just my opinion (and hope)!
Go Duke!!
JC-OFC
My gut instinct tells me that he returns for one (1) more year, gets his degree, and still goes in the first round next year. Just my opinion (and hope)!
Go Duke!!
JC-OFC
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I think it will be based on the feedback Grayson and K get from the NBA people.
Right now, most signs point to him going somewhere between 20 and 29. If he's given a first-round "promise" then I think it will be hard to say no to the NBA. The kinds of athletes and length he saw against UK and Oregon is a small version of what he'd see in the League. One could argue practicing against it everyday is more valuable than coming back to college and avoiding it for another year.
All that said, I do think there's a chance he comes back next season. There was no chance Kyrie, Austin, Jabari or the three freshmen last season were coming back. With Grayson I do believe there's some chance.
I think he's gone and for as much as he'd take us to another level next year, I think he should leave. He could definitely improve next year under K but going against length, size, and athleticism of NBA players everyday will improve him even more. Thanks for the NT Grayson.
I'm not at all confident he will be back, but I lean that way. I'm fully aware some of that may be wishful thinking.
I don't understand the emphasis on going in the first round and why that would be hard to turn down. If he were that type of kid and last year's title game helped him slip into the first round, okay, or if we were talking about his being a lottery pick right now, definitely, but "first round" seems to be setting the bar pretty low now, and I think there are good indications he has not maxed out his draft stock. His scoring average is likely to drop with the firepower we have coming in next year, but his efficiency could improve, his outside shooting and midrange game could improve, and his PG skills could improve. Athletic 6'5" off-guards are a dime-a-dozen in the NBA.
I don't understand the emphasis on going in the first round and why that would be hard to turn down. If he were that type of kid and last year's title game helped him slip into the first round, okay, or if we were talking about his being a lottery pick right now, definitely, but "first round" seems to be setting the bar pretty low now, and I think there are good indications he has not maxed out his draft stock. His scoring average is likely to drop with the firepower we have coming in next year, but his efficiency could improve, his outside shooting and midrange game could improve, and his PG skills could improve. Athletic 6'5" off-guards are a dime-a-dozen in the NBA.
First round = guaranteed money
Having a guaranteed $2,3,4 million is a lot to anyone. Really hard to turn that down. Even if you don't come from a low income background. He's got a national championship and he's made a legacy for himself at Duke for his championship game performance alone so there's really not a lot to play for unless he really wants a college degree and a chance at a second NT.
Having a guaranteed $2,3,4 million is a lot to anyone. Really hard to turn that down. Even if you don't come from a low income background. He's got a national championship and he's made a legacy for himself at Duke for his championship game performance alone so there's really not a lot to play for unless he really wants a college degree and a chance at a second NT.
I love Grayson as a collegiate player. But, frankly, it would be surprising if any team falls in love with him enough to guarantee him a spot in the first round. Chad Ford has him loosely rated in the 20-30 range, Draft Express lists him at 31 (i.e., first pick of 2nd round), draft update has him at 25, and CBS's first round mock does not include Grayson. While I personally think Allen will end up becoming a solid NBA player, this is not like a lot of our past early entrants who were virtually guaranteed of going first round. From what I've read to date, the odds are he'd have a decent chance of making the first round; but that he's the type of controversial prospect who could certainly tumble out of the first round if a few teams decide to go in a different direction.
Now, with that said, can Grayson markedly improving his drafty stock by staying? Probably no in view of who we're bringing in next year. But, I do think he certainly could improve his chances of actually making a roster even if he does fall into the 2nd round -- as opposed to spending most of his rookie year in the D-league, which is what I think will happen either way.
I'm fine with either decision -- and, if you're of the view that there's no point of ever staying in college when someone's willing to draft you, then I think it probably makes sense to declare. But this is not a Jabari Parker-like case (or even Austin Rivers, Gerald Henderson, or Kyle Singler post NCAA MOP) where he's definitely turning down guaranteed millions by staying. In the end of the day, I think he's probably in the Kyle Singler boat, where he's a good enough overall player that he'd make a roster even if he has a bit of a subpar jr. year and falls into the 2nd round.
Now, with that said, can Grayson markedly improving his drafty stock by staying? Probably no in view of who we're bringing in next year. But, I do think he certainly could improve his chances of actually making a roster even if he does fall into the 2nd round -- as opposed to spending most of his rookie year in the D-league, which is what I think will happen either way.
I'm fine with either decision -- and, if you're of the view that there's no point of ever staying in college when someone's willing to draft you, then I think it probably makes sense to declare. But this is not a Jabari Parker-like case (or even Austin Rivers, Gerald Henderson, or Kyle Singler post NCAA MOP) where he's definitely turning down guaranteed millions by staying. In the end of the day, I think he's probably in the Kyle Singler boat, where he's a good enough overall player that he'd make a roster even if he has a bit of a subpar jr. year and falls into the 2nd round.
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Agree totally. He was projected as a late first rounder (mid-20s) after the tournament last year. It is not like he has improved his stock enough to be in the lottery, he is still projected anywhere from early twenties to early second round. He may not ever be a lottery pick, but he's only 20 years old and he can earn alot of accolades next year. But more important than improving his draft stock is improving his technique so that he can actually stick in the league.
I honestly think Grayson returns. He just had a great success on a team that had no choice but to depend on him. I believe he will relish the fact that he want be the main focus again and not the focus on the national media targeting him. When Grayson committed to duke he stated it was his dream school similar to JJ Redick. I see him going down the same path as wanting to end with a legacy and has the potential to get his Jersey number retired... if I'm not mistaking he has already qualified for 2 with academic all-American, national championship and all acc first team. If he comes back and wins another title he can and will be talked about with the greats at Duke.
Hope he pays attention to what happened to Tyus in the nba this year. Even with the talent tyus possess he was still sent to the D league on a Minnesota team who drafted him first round.
Hope he pays attention to what happened to Tyus in the nba this year. Even with the talent tyus possess he was still sent to the D league on a Minnesota team who drafted him first round.
That's the thing: next year, with the possible commitment of Bolden, you'll have plenty of guys to focus on where if you feel like you want to target Grayson, then Kennard, Giles, Tatum, Jackson, or someone else will burn you.
This year's group of Seniors proved that coming back is not a waste of time. Valentine, Hield, Johnson, all proved that a great senior year can improve your draft stock even if you had a very good to great Junior year. Grayson can improve his stock and he loves Duke. Not saying that he stays, but there is good reason to stay as well as go. Not a reason to stay, but if he does, it will infuriate UNC fans.