Great win, **** the refs
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What a joke. Refs decide state deserves 3 straight chances at end. Think we get any of those calls?
At least they did not call 20 fouls in the half to decide it like they did last time
As an Illini fan who was rooting hard for the 'Cats here, I think I speak for all Big Ten fans everywhere (besides MSU fans, of course) when I say those were two gut-wrenchingly HORRIBLE calls that were unfortunately so predictable from Big Ten refs.
Congrats on beating 8 of 'em in East Lansing!
Congrats on beating 8 of 'em in East Lansing!
Another Illini fan here, and I can't believe what I witnessed in the last 25 seconds with those 2 calls against you guys. Those were 2 of the worst calls I've seen in a long time. Makes you question how unbiased those refs really were. Aside from that, nice Win for you guys. I haven't seen you play much but you'll be a tough out for many teams especially when you get Nance back.
There were far more unfortunately. Ryan Young was called in the first half when he literally didn’t touch the guy. Instead of a defensive rebound they immediately hit a 3. There was a blocked shot that was called a goaltending. Even more that were bizarre and only against us.
I thought that the travel call was a bad, ticky tack call that that shouldn't have been made. I thought the foul on Beran was more legit. And I thought that the players had a fantastic response to the adversity in those situations. I didn't see a bunch of hand-wringing or moaning about it. And I loved how authoritatively Roper rebounded the last free throw miss. Tons of guts with these kids.
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I also saw a foul on Beran. That would never, ever be called on the other end. Roper authoritarian or not, thought Nicholson should have been in for that rebound.
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I suppose you could look at it that way, but I have seen too many of these "either way" calls go to the ranked team at home vs. a team near the bottom of the standings, especially when the home coach is someone entrenched like Izzo.
You disagree? Young got called for a literal phantom call that changed the direction of the first half. The second half is opened with a clear blocked shot that’s wrongly called goaltending. Am I missing something here? Those alone were 5 points directly in the bank for MSU let alone the momentum.
Horrible call at the end of the game. Obvious state is going to try and sell contact but you can’t give them a free shot so have to play close. No way does an unbiased ref make that call in that situation. Pathetic call that was only made because it was Izzo vs NU
Yeah, I disagree if you are claiming the refs had some sort of unfair bias that made them favor MSU. There are hundreds of calls in a game and there are some where I thought it was a bad call against NU and some I thought were bad calls against MSU. It's the nature of basketball.
I roll my eyes at Cats fans that think refs only make mistakes on the calls that were against the Cats and that the Cats are helpless in the face of those calls.
Meh. Beran's hands are on the MSU players arms as he's trying to go up to get the ball. He tried to pull them out to not get the foul call, but he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. It happens. Tough situation. I thought the refs were too involved on both ends of the floor at the end of the game (foul on the Buie drive in the last 1:30 felt similar to me in real time, but I'll take it.) But refs being too involved isn't refs have it out for NU. That's just silly.
You haven’t watched much big ten basketball if you don’t know that izzo teams get preferential treatment from the refs. He’s taken over for knight in that regard
The young call in the first half? They 100% didYou must have had a different Big Ten Network feed than I did.
You don’t believe refs tend to favor better teams and better players? With our 80+ years of futility, it’s hugely more magnified. Objective non-NU fans said on this board that refs were biased today. And never mind all the other thread evidence presented to you that you dismiss. It’s a real issue despite what you say.
You must have had the game on mute. They were very clear about it and even the goaltending as well. Both of those had potential massive implications and were incredible misses on calls.You must have had a different Big Ten Network feed than I did.
I mean, if we're going to run with hypotheticals, a giant portal to the eight plane of hell would have opened if a foul hadn't been called and Ryan Greer would have been carried away by Asomodeus. It's a fact.
Yeah, that's it. I'm from Indiana and I haven't watched much Big Ten basketball.
Favor? In college basketball? No.
It's a real issue in your head, but that might be because you don't seem to have a good grasp of what "evidence" is.
Ah...I see the disconnect. My bad. I thought we were talking about the call on Beran at the end of the game. That's what I get for responding to multiple posts in a thread.
I'm sorry, but the refs try to never call fouls on the last play of the game like that unless it is just so egregious. Beran barely touched him. Beran did not grab him or push him or impede his ability to jump. He had a forearm on Bingham which happens all the time in the paint. No way is that a foul against any other team in the BIG in that situation.
You know you're doing good work when one person "likes" a post and another guy "laughs" at it.
Yeah, I get that you think it is "evidence" and I explained why it isn't. People taking data and saying it says something it doesn't say isn't "evidence". It's misusing data...usually to reach a predetermined conclusion.
Get it?
Meh. I'm sorry, but I saw it differently...particularly the "No way is that a foul against any other team in the B1G in that situation" part.
Some Cats fans gotta get over their persecution complex.
That was my bad. I conflated the conversations. I thought we were talking about the end of game calls. I didn't hear the announcers express shock about those. Apologies.
You're entitled to your opinion, but I think you are vastly outnumbered here today.
Totally. I was outnumbered when The Backstreet Boys were really popular, too.
But, thanks for allowing me my opinion.
I get that what he said was very well supported by the data. There was no misuse.
Did you read my post on Collins having a better SRS than Carmody? Just because I like Collins, does that mean I somehow misused that data?
Didn't see that post, but if you used data the way cat-court-jester tried to, then you misused it.