Great win, **** the refs
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Actually settles or whoever the analyst was today said “oh my” on the replay of the beran “foul”. You could tell by his tone if he wasn’t on the air he would have completed the statement with… that was another crappy ref decision
People from indiana have a hard time noticing homer calls because they think it’s a normal part of the game…Yeah, that's it. I'm from Indiana and I haven't watched much Big Ten basketball.
Nah. Have seen some over the years. But then I also accept that Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK.
Some Northwestern fans have a hard time getting over their inferiority and persecution complexes.
You could tell. Because it totally fits your need to feel the refs are out to get you. But then that says a lot more about you than it does the refs.
No because I heard what he said and how he said it
cracks me up how everyone else is biased but you’re just giving the “truth” with no personal spin
Borderline calls (I’m feeling generous) very late in very close games are a terrible way for refs to influence the outcome. It is much better to have a questionable noncall than to have the refs put MSU on good position to win.
Those calls upset me more than any of our crappy losses, dumb Chase shots, or toothless offensive sets. I hate it when refs influence the outcome at such a critical juncture. Those calls sucked donkey balls.
Screw you MSU homer ref. You can mow my lawn next week and clean my cat box after that performance.
Those calls upset me more than any of our crappy losses, dumb Chase shots, or toothless offensive sets. I hate it when refs influence the outcome at such a critical juncture. Those calls sucked donkey balls.
Screw you MSU homer ref. You can mow my lawn next week and clean my cat box after that performance.
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just wanted you guys to know from a neutral observer you guys got absolutely hosed at the end. Glad you won it (3 times)
Note above - lots of non-NU fans felt we got shafted. And it’s a recurring theme. You are twisting this beyond belief to support your cockamamie argument.
My God. You are the one who appears to need a good stroking. You have responded to half a dozen posts that have nothing to do with you.
Are the Hoosiers off today? Or maybe Dave and Busters is closed?
They closed Dave & Busters? ***!
I appreciate the offer, but you're not my type, Jack.
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Yeah, fans on a message board for their favorite team are totally unbiased.
On a day where there are 200 teams playing, there are 200 fan bases complaining about how the refs are totally biased and out to get them. On a day when Cats fans should be thrilled about what was thought to be an improbable win against a Top 10 team, a bunch of them want to complain about how the refs are totally out to get them. I guess you gotta do what moves you.
Who rails against the refs the whole game and then starts getting those calls
Don't forget the O foul called on him that had him on the bench later in first half. Sort of hard when always playing 5 on 8
After having a few hours to reflect, I have concluded that the late game officiating was horrid and the refs should be sent home with a stern note to their parents.
There is favoratizm all the time. Generally home team gets a few borderline calls. But NU doesn't tend to get them partially because the crowd tends to be small and quieter. That's why when the other team gets those borderline call it hurts so much. Cause we don't tend to get them evened out at home. In fact since our fans are often outnumbered (and quieter) at home. the visiting team is often more likely to get those calls than we are.
But have you heard about his guns?They closed Dave & Busters? ***!
I appreciate the offer, but you're not my type, Jack.
Take a look at our foul and free throw statistics in conference vs. out of conference play over the past few seasons. Others have posted stats recently but it’s shocking the difference. We’re talking about playing against other P5 schools too. It’s a massive difference when we enter B1G play.
Watching the replay now, and that "foul" on Young was called by a ref who is usually a Pac-12 ref, Deldre Carr. Today was his first big ten game in his career, must've been a fill-in. The head ref today, Eric Curry, has reffed both MSU games and the home MD game this year.
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Why do those numbers automatically mean that B1G refs have it out for NU? Have any of the foul whiners considered the myriad of other possibilities that could explain the data? The only interpretation of those numbers that some Wildcat fans have applied to those numbers looks something like this:
The refs called one more foul on Michigan State today than on NU. By your logic, those numbers automatically mean that the refs sort of like the Cats more than Sparty. Yay! They like us! They really like us!
There is absolutely a bias. It’s a mixture of us being historically a terrible program, our fans being terrible, and other programs having coaches that are revered. Call me a cry baby all you want but I’ve played sports at very high levels and refs are unfortunately carry a bias especially towards big name programs.Why do those numbers automatically mean that B1G refs have it out for NU? Have any of the foul whiners considered the myriad of other possibilities that could explain the data? The only interpretation of those numbers that some Wildcat fans have applied to those numbers looks something like this:
The refs called one more foul on Michigan State today than on NU. Do those numbers automatically mean that the refs sort of like the Cats more than Sparty?
Cry baby.
C'mon, man. You said I could.
(totally kidding about it tho!)There are a million different factors that leads to foul calls and foul no calls. And I'm sure that there are a ton of conflicting biases. The overriding bias that seems most provable to me is that fans have a bias towards believing the refs are screwing their team. I mean, I have a Dukie in the family and she thinks the refs screw the Blue Devils because they hate all of the program's success.
At which point their parents will send them to their rooms to think about what they’ve done.
And because they’re delinquents, and it’s Saturday night, they’ll sneak out their window and go have beers in the woods.
Superstars and historically great teams get more calls in all sports. I’m packers fan and an NU fan. I see both sides of it. The izzo’s and coach K’s will get more calls that’s how it works. It just more noticeable in basketball because the refs can affect the game so much.Cry baby.
C'mon, man. You said I could.
There are a million different factors that leads to foul calls and foul no calls. And I'm sure that there are a ton of conflicting biases. The overriding bias that seems most provable to me is that fans have a bias towards believing the refs are screwing their team. I mean, I have a Dukie in the family and she thinks the refs screw the Blue Devils because they hate all of the program's success.
Fans do tend to focus on the calls/no calls that didn’t got there way. You are correct there. There was bad officiating both ways today. I will say those seconds were objectively terrible in MSU’s favor.
Yeah, we Bulls fans benefitted from it during the Jordan years. Doesn’t make it right though.
Why would any team / fan admit they are getting favorable treatment? Everyone notices more the bad calls impacting them. The bias you state is not a bias - it’s a tautology.Cry baby.
C'mon, man. You said I could.
There are a million different factors that leads to foul calls and foul no calls. And I'm sure that there are a ton of conflicting biases. The overriding bias that seems most provable to me is that fans have a bias towards believing the refs are screwing their team. I mean, I have a Dukie in the family and she thinks the refs screw the Blue Devils because they hate all of the program's success.
I did lol. @zoocat did. I agree with zoocat. The shot against the jazz was for sure a push off but I’m glad it wasn’t called and Jordan hit it.
This reminds me of why I love tennis so much. The refs have virtually no effect on the match. And, you can’t get a big lead and run out the clock - you have to beat the other player.
The umpire is basically there for tradition and ceremony at this point.
Though I’m not sure there’s any other sport where “simulated video review” would be acceptable. (“It’s a catch! The white on blue gif told us!”)
Basketball, for what it’s worth, is the toughest game to call. Rare moments to catch your breath. Steps away from coaches who believe their job includes mind games with you. Hearing everything the fans say. And, a significant number of calls that could go home, away, or no-call.
For what its worth, in my opinion the guy on NU who gets nothing from the refs is Ryan Young. He is fundamentally very solid and they just call every ticky tacky thing he does a "foul."
Other than that, most of our players complain way too often about fouls they obviously committed.
Other than that, most of our players complain way too often about fouls they obviously committed.
Generally a team getting fouls called on the other team means they are taking it inside more. Even when we are decidedly attacking inside, we are not getting the calls. All the time|? No but often enough.Why do those numbers automatically mean that B1G refs have it out for NU? Have any of the foul whiners considered the myriad of other possibilities that could explain the data? The only interpretation of those numbers that some Wildcat fans have applied to those numbers looks something like this:
The refs called one more foul on Michigan State today than on NU. By your logic, those numbers automatically mean that the refs sort of like the Cats more than Sparty. Yay! They like us! They really like us!
For example, in the MD game, MD shot 71 shots. Of them 31 were from 3 so 40 inside the arc. We shot 84 and 28 were from 3 so 56 from inside the arc. Yet we had 31 fouls called on us vs 19 called on them. We shot 18 FT and they shot 38. Sorry but that does not compute
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