Greenstein on Collins staying

[1830 Sherman]

The Trib in general, and Greenstein in particular, have been doing some good stuff on NU.

"Never before has there been such optimism regarding Northwestern sports, given the basketball team's expected NCAA tournament bid, a football team that should contend in the Big Ten West and a monumental boost in facilities.

Both head coaches want to stay, and school officials are not about to screw this up."


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...uture-greenstein-spt-0309-20170308-story.html

 

[NJCat]

The Trib in general, and Greenstein in particular, have been doing some good stuff on NU.

"Never before has there been such optimism regarding Northwestern sports, given the basketball team's expected NCAA tournament bid, a football team that should contend in the Big Ten West and a monumental boost in facilities.

Both head coaches want to stay, and school officials are not about to screw this up."


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...uture-greenstein-spt-0309-20170308-story.html

Collins deserves a raise and a contract extension. Fitz, a contract extension.

 

[FrancesSearleCat]

I remember reading this passage from an article in yesterday's Trib:

"Some questioned why he [Collins] didn't attend a better basketball school, such as Loyola or New Trier.

"I would be lying if I didn't say one of my greatest motivating factors was to create my own name," Collins said. "Any article, it was always, 'comma, son of Doug Collins.' It was motivating for me not because I didn't love my dad, but I wanted my own legacy."

He wanted to make a name for Glenbrook North, though. Just like he wanted to make a name for Northwestern when he left Duke.

"It all ties together," he said."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...ern-life-journey-spt-0308-20170307-story.html

This gives me a modicum of hope that he'll stay at Northwestern even when the legacy teams start reaching out to him to fill their vacancies.

 

[D_C_B]

He wants some separation from his anointed fate. I don't see him taking the Duke job unless it's as a savior, not as a replacement.

 

[Deeringfish]

Given the sound of that article, we may be entering the golden age of NU athletics. There really is a lot going on.

I was concerned when the Athletic center seemed to be stalling after we won the first bowl game. I was afraid momentum was totally lost. But right now things are really in a sweet spot. Both football and BB should have good seasons next year then BAMM the two facilities should come on line. The notoriety of the two programs could really play off each other increasing name recognition outside the B1G footprint in a positive way.

I think BB playing off campus next year, if properly exploited, could expand the Chicago Fan base. Getting more people interested in making the trip to BB games might help them to find the way to Evanston for BB and FB.

BB is a little more personal and currently we have some local talent. Chicago could really rally behind this team.

 

[Deeringfish]

He wants some separation from his anointed fate. I don't see him taking the Duke job unless it's as a savior, not as a replacement.

Some day some one will have to follow Coach K. Good luck with that.

 

[TheC]

Some day some one will have to follow Coach K. Good luck with that.

Pretty soon all the good North Carolina high school talent will be going to Northwestern. "Why do we keep losing these local kids to Northwestern?" they'll ask.

 

[hdhntr1]

Some day some one will have to follow Coach K. Good luck with that.

If by then, NU is a consistent Dance team with new facilities and the like, we would be in a good spot to fend off Duke or to find a good replacement

 

[hdhntr1]

Pretty soon all the good North Carolina high school talent will be going to Northwestern. "Why do we keep losing these local kids to Northwestern?" they'll ask.

We wouldn't need or have room for them as there is likely enough IL talent beating at our door.

 

[Deeringfish]

If by then, NU is a consistent Dance team with new facilities and the like, we would be in a good spot to fend off Duke or to find a good replacement

Totally correct. I was just thinking following Coach K is a fools errand. CC is no fool. Maybe he would get tired of winning at NU and go to Duke after a couple of guys got fired. That could be 10 years down the line. I can't imagine being Coach K's successor.

 

[Deeringfish]

We wouldn't need or have room for them as there is likely enough IL talent beating at our door.

That is another reason NU could really become Chicago's team.

 

[Medill90]

I think the only thing that will send Collins packing is if, after he's had some success, a series of recruits that he thinks deserve to be admitted are declined. Kids he knows can get through four years of classes.

 

[JournCat]

Unrelated to Collins: I really hate it when Teddy includes references to Northwestern players supposedly coming from a "good family structure." What does he consider a "good" structure? He has made these types of references in NU recruiting stories before. It's coded language and not particularly subtle.

 

[Max_Power]

I think the only thing that will send Collins packing is if, after he's had some success, a series of recruits that he thinks deserve to be admitted are declined. Kids he knows can get through four years of classes.

I don't see this as an issue since I expect that most of the recruits in a year or two will be one and done so all he will have to do is keep them eligible through fall and winter quarter so they can play in the tourney.

 

[D_C_B]

Why don't you ask him what he considers a good family structure?

 

[Hungry Jack]

Collins deserves a raise and a contract extension. Fitz, a contract extension.

Fitz deserves a shiny new practice facility that puts us on par with the other conference powers.

Collins deserves a modern stadium that facilitates a home court advantage.

Dr. Jim deserves a raise for making this happen.

 

[GOUNUII]

Unrelated to Collins: I really hate it when Teddy includes references to Northwestern players supposedly coming from a "good family structure." What does he consider a "good" structure? He has made these types of references in NU recruiting stories before. It's coded language and not particularly subtle.

Fitz told me last year that he has virtually no chance of successfully recruiting a player who does not have a strong family structure. I am sure the same is true with Collins. What is a good or strong family structure? One that values a 40 year perspective, is the primary influence in the recruits life and is thus the most influential in their choice of schools. Recruiting Mom and/or Dad and/or whoever has the 40 year perspective within the family structure is critically important at NU.

GOUNUII

 

[Hungry Jack]

Unrelated to Collins: I really hate it when Teddy includes references to Northwestern players supposedly coming from a "good family structure." What does he consider a "good" structure? He has made these types of references in NU recruiting stories before. It's coded language and not particularly subtle.

Sorry, but I think you are hearing something you want to hear, or are particularly sensitized to. I won't get into a detailed explanation of why, but it has nothing to do with race, sexual orientation, or whatever, and everything to do with the behaviors, principles, rules and environment that the parent(s) have provided in the child's first 17-18 years.

All this constitutes is an obvious and relatively low cost form of due diligence on a $200,000 (likely more) investment in university assets. You absolutely can look at the parents of a high school kid and get a sense of how that kid is likely to behave. There are always exceptions, but the parent(s) should be a reliable indicator of the type of kid you are likely to get. I don't have a problem with any of it.

 

[JournCat]

Sorry, but I think you are hearing something you want to hear, or are particularly sensitized to. I won't get into a detailed explanation of why, but it has nothing to do with race, sexual orientation, or whatever, and everything to do with the behaviors, principles, rules and environment that the parent(s) have provided in the child's first 17-18 years.

All this constitutes is an obvious and relatively low cost form of due diligence on a $200,000 (likely more) investment in university assets. You absolutely can look at the parents of a high school kid and get a sense of how that kid is likely to behave. There are always exceptions, but the parent(s) should be a reliable indicator of the type of kid you are likely to get. I don't have a problem with any of it.

Aren't other schools making the same type of investment in their players? It's not like the out-of-state sticker price at every other Big Ten school is that much cheaper than NU's, and either way, a player behaving badly costs a school far more than tuition in terms of brand and reputation.

And that's the thing about coded language ... different people hear it differently. I read that language and hear tone-deaf elitism.

 

[EvanstonCat]

I remember reading this passage from an article in yesterday's Trib:

"Some questioned why he [Collins] didn't attend a better basketball school, such as Loyola or New Trier.

"I would be lying if I didn't say one of my greatest motivating factors was to create my own name," Collins said. "Any article, it was always, 'comma, son of Doug Collins.' It was motivating for me not because I didn't love my dad, but I wanted my own legacy."

He wanted to make a name for Glenbrook North, though. Just like he wanted to make a name for Northwestern when he left Duke.

"It all ties together," he said."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...ern-life-journey-spt-0308-20170307-story.html

This gives me a modicum of hope that he'll stay at Northwestern even when the legacy teams start reaching out to him to fill their vacancies.

A modicum of hope? Honestly, I don't understand why anyone thinks Collins would leave, as long as we keep supporting him and paying him. It must be the natural cynicism that that has built up over years of frustration and failure. We still fear for and prepare for the worst, so that when something bad happens it doesn't hit so hard I guess. The Northwestern reflex I suppose.

The other Northwestern reflex is to undersell the school. We are building a state of the art arena. Not huge, but it already had crushing home court advantage that no one thought we could possibly have, just on winning. When they finish the renovations, it will be one of the best - and toughest - venues to play in the nation. As the football team moves out of Nicolet, that means a big upgrade on the practice facilities for hoops too. The city, the hoops talent here. If you build it (and we are building it) they will come. Hell, if the likes of Gonzaga, Butler, and Baylor can build themselves into perennial powers, there is no question that we can do that and more at NU. And we have a coach who came from a school that is like us in its academic orientation. He knows this program, how to sell it, how to win at it, as evidenced with his yet to mature roster (we're going to dance this year, but wait until next year when we have a full CCC recruited roster with deeply expereinced senior leadership). And then wait until we open the new arena. We are on the Coach K plan my friends. We have been following it faithfully - if anything ahead of plan, and if we keep on track that means another NCAA appearance next year, and then a national championship game appearance in 2 more years.

This is his hometown, his legacy that he is building. We are in the B1G. Given the years he waited for this exact opportunity to open up and what he's said about the legacy, I would be shocked if he left. With perennial NCAA appearances, hopefully a Final Four appearance in the bag, his hometown, the city of Chicago, the legend that he is building for himself, I say there is no way he leaves. Even for Duke.

 

[Hungry Jack]

Aren't other schools making the same type of investment in their players? It's not like the out-of-state sticker price at every other Big Ten school is that much cheaper than NU's, and either way, a player behaving badly costs a school far more than tuition in terms of brand and reputation.

And that's the thing about coded language ... different people hear it differently. I read that language and hear tone-deaf elitism.

Right. My point is that one cannot be a clown and survive at NU. I don't think the same can be said of many other B1G schools (forget about the SEC). If you are going to dedicate a schollie to an athlete, you want to be as sure as possible that the student can handle the rigors of NU. Parents set the tone for schooling and how much value a student places on education.

It's not much different from finding a spouse. If you want to get a sense of how that person may act as a spouse, look at the nature of the relationship with Mom and Dad. In most cases, you will see patterns repeating.

 

[Deeringfish]

A modicum of hope? Honestly, I don't understand why anyone thinks Collins would leave, as long as we keep supporting him and paying him. It must be the natural cynicism that that has built up over years of frustration and failure. We still fear for and prepare for the worst, so that when something bad happens it doesn't hit so hard I guess. The Northwestern reflex I suppose.

The other Northwestern reflex is to undersell the school. We are building a state of the art arena. Not huge, but it already had crushing home court advantage that no one thought we could possibly have, just on winning. When they finish the renovations, it will be one of the best - and toughest - venues to play in the nation. As the football team moves out of Nicolet, that means a big upgrade on the practice facilities for hoops too. The city, the hoops talent here. If you build it (and we are building it) they will come. Hell, if the likes of Gonzaga, Butler, and Baylor can build themselves into perennial powers, there is no question that we can do that and more at NU. And we have a coach who came from a school that is like us in its academic orientation. He knows this program, how to sell it, how to win at it, as evidenced with his yet to mature roster (we're going to dance this year, but wait until next year when we have a full CCC recruited roster with deeply expereinced senior leadership). And then wait until we open the new arena. We are on the Coach K plan my friends. We have been following it faithfully - if anything ahead of plan, and if we keep on track that means another NCAA appearance next year, and then a national championship game appearance in 2 more years.

This is his hometown, his legacy that he is building. We are in the B1G. Given the years he waited for this exact opportunity to open up and what he's said about the legacy, I would be shocked if he left. With perennial NCAA appearances, hopefully a Final Four appearance in the bag, his hometown, the city of Chicago, the legend that he is building for himself, I say there is no way he leaves. Even for Duke.

+1 Except, we are on the coach C plan

 

[lunker35]

Right. My point is that one cannot be a clown and survive at NU. I don't think the same can be said of many other B1G schools (forget about the SEC). If you are going to dedicate a schollie to an athlete, you want to be as sure as possible that the student can handle the rigors of NU. Parents set the tone for schooling and how much value a student places on education.

It's not much different from finding a spouse. If you want to get a sense of how that person may act as a spouse, look at the nature of the relationship with Mom and Dad. In most cases, you will see patterns repeating.

A good example of a broken family structure is just about every kid featured in Last Chance U on Netflix.

 

[Eurocat]

Unrelated to Collins: I really hate it when Teddy includes references to Northwestern players supposedly coming from a "good family structure." What does he consider a "good" structure? He has made these types of references in NU recruiting stories before. It's coded language and not particularly subtle.

I take good family structure to mean a family that values education and a long term approach to life.