Gruden email from 2011 resurfaces

Status
Not open for further replies.

rick64

Well-known member
Jan 25, 2007
22,919
30,393
113

So why is no one talking about the fact that it took 10 years for Smith to call out Gruden?
 
Last edited:

GeraldV

Well-known member
Aug 4, 2019
2,478
4,429
113
Did you read the article? The email wasn’t sent to Smith. It was just recently discovered.
 

gamecockcat

New member
Oct 29, 2004
10,524
13,500
0
There is an entire industry in this country dedicated to being offended. Not defending the comment, but who among us has never uttered something they would rather not be made public? 10 years ago he made an offensive comment. He's spent 40 years in football and no one has ever accused him of being a racist. But one comment in one email 10 years ago and now he's a horrible racist and must be fired? Good lord, WTF has happened to our country?
 

Frumpo

New member
Sep 22, 2021
144
219
0
War on words and all this revisionism are awful and need to be called out as unamerican. It's like some weirder version of 1984 where strange people are lighting torches and dragging people out of their homes in the middle of the night for stuff they said a decade (or more) ago.

These things have a bad end and the misguided idiots that are pursuing this and joining in the mob are no better than the Trump nuts that sacked the Capitol.
 

PhDcat2018

Well-known member
Jun 26, 2017
17,140
24,763
113
There is an entire industry in this country dedicated to being offended. Not defending the comment, but who among us has never uttered something they would rather not be made public? 10 years ago he made an offensive comment. He's spent 40 years in football and no one has ever accused him of being a racist. But one comment in one email 10 years ago and now he's a horrible racist and must be fired? Good lord, WTF has happened to our country?
We are a nation of pussies. That's what happened.
 

Crums Bald Spot

Well-known member
Aug 22, 2001
9,255
12,695
113
I don't get why saying a guy has gigantic lips is racist. Especially if the guy does have gigantic lips.
 

Vismund

Well-known member
Mar 30, 2007
10,426
8,664
113
Kind of hard to argue that mocking a black persons lips in an email wouldn't be problematic for a dude paid 10 million a year to coach mostly black players and I'm a fan of the Raiders.

Mark Davis is pretty serious about this stuff and that's the only person that Gruden needs to be concerned about offending. The problem isn't some social justice warrior canceling him, the problem is that his boss will be the one determining his future.

Once again, I'm not going to act like I haven't said off color jokes. This was not that at all. Jon was passed and is also half adding an apology by acting like he didn't use a trope.. But I also know time, place and setting. A formal email is none of the above.
 
  • Like
Reactions: JBHolmesfan

DSmith21

New member
Mar 27, 2012
8,297
13,023
0
Should we cancel all Robin Williams' work or is whitey fair game.

 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: P19978

Bigblue2023

New member
Jun 22, 2019
2,236
6,984
0
Don’t send a racist email and then you won’t have to worry about it being unearthed later. Seems pretty simple.

Kind of a weird standard for something so subjective. Just remember it’s considered racist to do just about anything anymore.
 
  • Like
Reactions: P19978
Aug 10, 2021
6,263
17,745
0
In a show of how behind the times the Raiders are, they apparently just learned the "go through all available messages from a highly paid employee we want to get rid of and find literally anything that could be construed as racist, sexist, homophobic" negotiating trick.

Guess things take a while to matriculate to P.F. Chang's.
 

KingOfBBN

New member
Sep 14, 2013
39,077
38,403
0
Am I missing something but pointing out someone physically has big lips is just the worst thing ever? 😂

Yeah we just routinely hear “whitey is the devil” all day long in media and academia and had BLM destroy cities, kill people, and loot and that got mainstream support. But now Gruden is just the worst? Get real.
 

Boogie Fan

Member
Jun 6, 2010
653
224
43
I believe DeMaurice Smith was up for reelection as president of the NFLPA, maybe that is why the email came out. Also, why didn't ESPN can Gruden over this in 2011? Seems like the kind of thing they would be quick to pull the trigger on.
 
  • Like
Reactions: PhDcat2018

PhDcat2018

Well-known member
Jun 26, 2017
17,140
24,763
113
Big lips? That's it? Have you seen some of the people who have plastic surgeries? White girls have so much botox their lips look like balloons.
 

Vismund

Well-known member
Mar 30, 2007
10,426
8,664
113
There's literally 100 other things Gruden could have said that wasn't stereotypical, he chose to point out his big lips because he was angry and thought no one would see it/hear about it.

By the way, he ain't getting fired over this. You folks are more outraged by the perceived outrage than Demaurice Smith is likely outraged about the comments.
 
  • Like
Reactions: GeraldV
Status
Not open for further replies.