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Is that a question or a statement? If that’s a statement you get a definite like. If that’s a question, all I can say is “Daa”. Grunk is a stud.

Another of Franklin’s recruits who turned out to be pretty good. I doubt Campbell will be able to keep him. I think Campbell will want his own guy running the show. Becht.
 
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PSUFTG

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A lot of unknowns and possibilities:

But, IF Campbell chooses to bring in Becht, and that costs PSU Grunk, it would be an incredibly dumb move (that was clear well before this Bowl game was played).
Does Campbell even want to bring in Becht? Who knows?
If he does bring in Becht, does that mean Grunk leaves? Who knows?
Could he bring in Becht as some "experienced insurance at QB"? Without losing Grunk/fouling up the QB room? Who knows? (That might be nice, but also might not be possible)
Does Grunk leave no matter what - forcing Campbell's hand? Who knows (though I would kind of doubt that)?

Campbell's first big "test" will be how he handles the portal, IMO. The influx to date of 2nd/3rd tier HS recruits was, I think, largely to be expected - but he has nearly unlimited portal $$. Not only PK's supposed huge budget :) - but also nearly every guy who had been using up $$ is now gone, and no high-level HS recruits were brought in to eat into the budget either - so pretty much an unprecedented level of $ to use via the portal.
He definitely needs to not $&^#% that up. If done efficiently, no reason PSU - with the cupcake schedule - shouldn't be a double-digit win club in 2026.
 

Ram20

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Like Grunk and see him as a quality QB, and also like what I read about Becht, who has an advantage in experience

2 QB's with Million Dollar+ NIL pay?

Is that likely?
(maybe it is)
Its just not how it works anymore. Grunk put enough on tape to get $1M AND a starting job somewhere. Becht simply is not going somewhere to make a good check and compete. He'll be looking for $3+ Mil AND a starting job at a premier football power. Im team Grunk myself, he throws a very nice ball and anticipates well, plus, you get to have him for 2 or 3 years and develop/recruit around him.
 

PAgeologist

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Its just not how it works anymore. Grunk put enough on tape to get $1M AND a starting job somewhere. Becht simply is not going somewhere to make a good check and compete. He'll be looking for $3+ Mil AND a starting job at a premier football power. Im team Grunk myself, he throws a very nice ball and anticipates well, plus, you get to have him for 2 or 3 years and develop/recruit around him.
I get why Campbell would want to bring in Becht. But i wouldnt do that at the expense of Grunk.
 

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I want Grunk as the starter in 2026, but I also realize that new HC’s generally bring in their own QBs who know their system and they trust. That’s just how it works. Becht is not the only potential ISU qb to possibly portal into PSU. ISU freshman qb, Alex Manske, a 4 star who Campbell’s staff is really high on, entered the portal. The next couple weeks will be super interesting.
 

LB99

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I want Grunk as the starter in 2026, but I also realize that new HC’s generally bring in their own QBs who know their system and they trust. That’s just how it works. Becht is not the only potential ISU qb to possibly portal into PSU. ISU freshman qb, Alex Manske, a 4 star who Campbell’s staff is really high on, entered the portal. The next couple weeks will be super interesting.

This would make more long term sense than Becht at this point. Keep Grunk and bring in this kid for far less NIL than Becht.
 

Itraindogs

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I fully expect Grunk to move on. He has proven he can be a viable starting option for a number of P4 teams and assuredly for a group of 5 school. However, given that the HC, OC, and QB coaches will be coming in with their own system it is unlikely he will be able to compete against someone who had 3 years in that system. Now, if Becht does not come, then it is more likely he can retain Grunk and he and the team will take their lumps learning the system. What is important to realize is that Campbell has an offensive identity and wants players that can run his system, so the players that can accomplish this will be the ones he will prioritize. If Becht comes and Manske portals in Penn State will be flush for next year,especially with Kase Evans on board. It makes zero sense if I have two players in house who have been developed under a system to limit the system to allow a player to "catch up" especially if there is no assurance he does not skip out in a year.

In any case, Campbell's job, his decision,
 
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Nitt1300

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Is that a question or a statement? If that’s a statement you get a definite like. If that’s a question, all I can say is “Daa”. Grunk is a stud.

Another of Franklin’s recruits who turned out to be pretty good. I doubt Campbell will be able to keep him. I think Campbell will want his own guy running the show. Becht.
It was not a question
 

LMTLION

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I fully expect Grunk to move on. He has proven he can be a viable starting option for a number of P4 teams and assuredly for a group of 5 school. However, given that the HC, OC, and QB coaches will be coming in with their own system it is unlikely he will be able to compete against someone who had 3 years in that system. Now, if Becht does not come, then it is more likely he can retain Grunk and he and the team will take their lumps learning the system. What is important to realize is that Campbell has an offensive identity and wants players that can run his system, so the players that can accomplish this will be the ones he will prioritize. If Becht comes and Manske portals in Penn State will be flush for next year,especially with Kase Evans on board. It makes zero sense if I have two players in house who have been developed under a system to limit the system to allow a player to "catch up" especially if there is no assurance he does not skip out in a year.

In any case, Campbell's job, his decision,
If I was forced to bet my house on the matter, I would bet it is Becht and Manske portaling in and Grunk finds a nice gig elsewhere in P4. I would prefer we spend $5m total for both Becht and Grunk and have known qb solutions for 2026-2028, but I don’t think that is happening. And I am sure Grunk believes he can start for a top P4 program next season.
 
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KingLando

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Everyone does understand that after yesterday it's more likely that Grunk and others (especially Martin) will now be going to the portal unless they're guaranteed the starting job, right?
Plus, they're going to want to be paid to stay.
 

Catch1lion

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NCAA and its CSC need to configure a way to have a hard salary cap amongst other issues.
The CSC agreement is not even in effect until all teams sign the contract. Tx Tech lawyers said do not sign the agreement. The Athletic has a great article up on this subject. The Wild West mode is still in effect even with the CSC. A lot of contrived work arounds are already being used.
 

Itraindogs

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NCAA and its CSC need to configure a way to have a hard salary cap amongst other issues.
The CSC agreement is not even in effect until all teams sign the contract. Tx Tech lawyers said do not sign the agreement. The Athletic has a great article up on this subject. The Wild West mode is still in effect even with the CSC. A lot of contrived work arounds are already being used.
This started with AG Paxton
 

psuno1

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Everyone does understand that after yesterday it's more likely that Grunk and others (especially Martin) will now be going to the portal unless they're guaranteed the starting job, right?
Plus, they're going to want to be paid to stay.
No player should be guaranteed a starting job they should earn it on the field. Let them walk if that is the case.
 

LMTLION

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No player should be guaranteed a starting job they should earn it on the field. Let them walk if that is the case.
That sounds ideal and great, but that is just not how it works in this era. This era is about getting paid and being given the starting job. If you do not get onboard you fade like Dabo into obscurity.
 

KingLando

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Just my opinion, but this is a different time in college football.
Trust me, I get what you're saying and the way you'd like things would be better. It's just not realistic and we sadly need to accept that kids have power.
If Campbell doesn't tell Grunk he's the starter; he'd be an idiot to return. He has to have that assurance or he needs to go. Just reality, he can't sit another year--he's ready to play.
 
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Bvillebaron

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I fully expect Grunk to move on. He has proven he can be a viable starting option for a number of P4 teams and assuredly for a group of 5 school. However, given that the HC, OC, and QB coaches will be coming in with their own system it is unlikely he will be able to compete against someone who had 3 years in that system. Now, if Becht does not come, then it is more likely he can retain Grunk and he and the team will take their lumps learning the system. What is important to realize is that Campbell has an offensive identity and wants players that can run his system, so the players that can accomplish this will be the ones he will prioritize. If Becht comes and Manske portals in Penn State will be flush for next year,especially with Kase Evans on board. It makes zero sense if I have two players in house who have been developed under a system to limit the system to allow a player to "catch up" especially if there is no assurance he does not skip out in a year.

In any case, Campbell's job, his decision,
Yeah no sense in keeping a QB who has demonstrated he can actually play at a high level and has 3 years of eligibility left when you can let him leave and bank on one or more recruits who have never played a down in college. Makes perfect sense to me. But f course it’s Campbell’s decision.
 
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I want Grunk as the starter in 2026, but I also realize that new HC’s generally bring in their own QBs who know their system and they trust. That’s just how it works. Becht is not the only potential ISU qb to possibly portal into PSU. ISU freshman qb, Alex Manske, a 4 star who Campbell’s staff is really high on, entered the portal. The next couple weeks will be super interesting.

This is what hope looks like.
 

WIP2001

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I'd keep Grunk but you're being unfair to Becht. Becht > Trace
Not even close but we’ll agree to disagree. He was honorable mention all big 12 in 24 throwing to two NFL WRs. Beyond that, no recognition. He’s won zero important games unless you count a pop tart bowl. He’s good. He’s not worth letting 3 years of Grunk walk.
 

KingLando

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Not even close but we’ll agree to disagree. He was honorable mention all big 12 in 24 throwing to two NFL WRs. Beyond that, no recognition. He’s won zero important games unless you count a pop tart bowl. He’s good. He’s not worth letting 3 years of Grunk walk.
All of that at Iowa State
And we agree on Grunk for the record. I said I'd keep Grunk...Becht is just better than Trace. Look at the supporting cast he had when he was here. Give that to Becht lol
 

Woodpecker

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Trust me, I get what you're saying and the way you'd like things would be better. It's just not realistic and we sadly need to accept that kids have power.
If Campbell doesn't tell Grunk he's the starter; he'd be an idiot to return. He has to have that assurance or he needs to go. Just reality, he can't sit another year--he's ready to play.
So you think there is a team that will guarantee Grunk a starting position?
 

KingLando

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Let's make this simple...if you're Grunk's advisor and Campbell doesn't tell him that he's the starter...you know Becht is in the portal...are you seriously telling him to stay?