Guitar players: feedback on Telecaster

gamecockcat

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Thinking of buying a Tele or Tele-style guitar. I play blues, country rock and classic rock. I'm thinking right now either a HS or even HH configuration as I have a hard time with the single pole hum and the twang of the bridge SP. I'm not going to spend 1000s on a custom Fender. Have perused the Squier 70s vintage with the HS and they've received solid reviews. Have played on a 9.5" radius Tele and the neck felt great, which is one reason I'm leaning that way now. I know other guitar brands have their own version but have almost no knowledge of how they sound

1. Anyone play a P-90 Tele and, if so, pros and cons?
2. Non-Fender Tele style you'd recommend?
3. Is a Tele even the right guitar for what I play or should I look elsewhere?

Two SS amps (Peavey and Blackstar) with several pedals although I believe less is more.

All advice is welcome. Thanks.
 

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I have lots of things to say, but I'm working...

+1 for P90s

In the meantime, take a look at the Schecter teles.
 

justa

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I would think for blues the Strat would be the play. Looking myself, will prob get one of the Squire Strat versions to start to see how I like it.
 

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I have lots of things to say, but I'm working...

+1 for P90s

In the meantime, take a look at the Schecter teles.
Schecter makes very good guitars at a very reasonable price point. You can get high quality guitars in a variety of styles for < $800 all day. I've played on a few but never owned one. They have/had a reputation as shred machines with active PUs which is not my cup of tea. But their PT (Tele) and LP clone are supposed to be top notch.
 

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What kind of reputation do G&L Tribute guitars have? They have a Bluesboy model priced under $700. My experience with a P-90 is a Epiphone Elitist Casino. I love it. Can't envision it being a blues guitar, though.
 

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Schecter makes very good guitars at a very reasonable price point. You can get high quality guitars in a variety of styles for < $800 all day. I've played on a few but never owned one. They have/had a reputation as shred machines with active PUs which is not my cup of tea. But their PT (Tele) and LP clone are supposed to be top notch.
I craigslist traded for a Tempest Blackjack, probably 15 years ago. Awesome guitar, but it was way too hot for me, so I traded it away. I'd take it back now, though, and just swap the pickups. It had good bones. It was the Blackjack series from the late 2000s with the SD's and Blackjack playing cards in the fingerboard...




I have played a Schecter T-style and I'd own one if I didn't already have so many Telecasters. Probably would have saved me a bunch of money (story and info coming).
 

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During CV boredom, I decided I'd "modded" my last factory guitar and decided to learn to build partscasters and just make exactly what I thought I wanted. Anyway, 5 years later and I now own 4 partscaster teles... It seems I'd rather play Legos with them than play them.

What I've learned-
1) I don't like humbuckers in a telecaster (or a strat). I've tried and tried. Not PAFs, not slightly over or under-wound, not split... I just can't get that tone out of a telecaster HB like I can with a LP and there's always that tele twang coloring the distortion. And if I take the pains to make a tele sound like a LP, it's no longer anything that remotely resembles a tele, tone-wise. I can put lesser HB's in a LP and make it sound better than better humbuckers in the tele, if that makes sense.

2) I like P90s in a tele and I like Filter'Trons in a tele. However, I found that those p/u configs yield a very limited 1-trick pony-type tone. Therefore, I prefer the spank of a slightly overwound (~7.5-8k), true tele bridge over a P90 bridge, but I like a vintage P90 in the neck. Now, if you want something close to a HB sound from a tele-style bridge p/u, they make those, too. The DiMarzio Chopper (mini HB) and the Area-T "Hot" (Stacked/noiseless SC) are both very hot and supposed to be tone-modeled to replicate a PAF HB when distorted, but can be dialed back down to spanky levels when needed.

3) I have a storage box full of pickups I've bought and tried over the years. P90s might be the hardest to choose. IDK why, but it seems they're the most prone to having frequency spike variances, meaning 2 pickups from different manufacturers with nearly identical specs will sound completely different, where one will be mellow or mid-rang-honky and the other an icepick to the ear. Need to know what you like and what you want. Lots of research.

4) If you really want a Tele with p90s, or especially if you want a mix of p/us (p90 +Tele bridge) I'd buy it that way. Mainly b/c you'll play hell trying to match poalrity and wind direction of a normal tele p/u and a P90, they're allover the place (even inside the same manufacturer) b/c they don't get paired that often. Also, wiring can be a headache b/c some p90s want a 330+k pot w/o sounding muddy... and that value is too high for a tele bridge w/o bleeding it off with a resistor. But, if you want to mod or build, Seymour Duncan has this p/u setup on lockdown. While the DiMarzio Twang King bridge is my idea of the epitome of tele sound, SD's LaBrea is really, really close. But SD's "Antiquity" P90s are golden, imo.

5) There is always the HB-shaped p90s, too. Not really p90s, but they come close. Fat p90s. I have a set of Tonerider Rebel 90s in another LP. They're a unique tone and they take dirt better than a tru p90.

6) Have you considered a JazzMaster? Those pickups are very p90-like - less grit, more bottom and more articulate. My daughter has the 60's Classic Vibe Squier JM and it's pretty nice. You could put real Fender p/us in one for arounf $100 and still be close the the $500 mark total investment.

This is my P90 Tele build. It does blues just fine. The p90 gets very sweet about 3/4 of the way up the neck. It currently has Wilkinson p/us in it b/c they sound that good. The Wilkinsons put to shame a lot of p/us that cost 2-3 times as much.
 

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^Awesome info! Any problems with P90 hum? The few players I've talked to who play with P90s always ***** about the hum although, generally, they like the tone.
 
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What kind of reputation do G&L Tribute guitars have? They have a Bluesboy model priced under $700. My experience with a P-90 is a Epiphone Elitist Casino. I love it. Can't envision it being a blues guitar, though.
I've heard good things about G&L. Aren't they the guitars Leo Fender started building once he left Fender? I may have heard wrong.

P90s may not be blues pickups. I tend to have a couple of guitars on stage at least so I could have a dual HB guitar for blues and P90s for other stuff.
 

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G&L is indeed the company Leo Fender started after Fender. They are excellent. I have a vintage one and it is amazing. The tribute stuff is great too.

I think a tele is the best all around electric guitar and you can play anything on them, but especially the genres you mentioned. There's been a LOT of great music made on a Tele. If you think the standard bridge pickup is too twangy, dial the tone knob back a little.

Also, hum is not a big deal unless you are recording. Once the drums kick in no one can hear it anyway. :)

My main guitar now for blues, classic rock and American is a PRS Vela. Tele style bride with a bridge humbucker and a single coil neck pickup.
 

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Can't go wrong with Charvel or SG. Jake E Lee played both and has a very rich blues background.
 

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The world is also short on whatever you’re trying to be, so thank God you’re here. Find a hobby and STF
 
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I have a Gibson 1954 Les Paul Historic reissue Goldtop with p90s.

Best comp I can give is: take a Tele, run it into clean boost pedal, and crank a tube amp. It has all the bite but more hair... more of everything. A FANTASTIC SOUNDING GUITAR!

As far as Teles go, have you considered making your own? I've made 3. Being bolt on necks, it's not that hard. I painted them in my back yard, hanging then from a tree lol. The best part is you get EXACTLY what you want: neck profile, pups, color, etc. Heck, I found most of the parts "used"... meaning "cheap"... on Ebay, Reverb, or The Gear Page. I'll post photos if I figure out how lol.

Use good quality bodies/necks from a quality company like Warmoth (there are many others). Paint can be sourced almost anywhere but Reranch is a great resource.

A good setup is the key: a crappy guitar with a good setup will be much more fun to play than a Custom Shop model with a crappy setup... believe me... I learned the hard way.

Hope this helps... happy to answer any questions if needed...
 
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If there's something we are short on and need more of..it's it's guys with guitars. Thanks for keeping the world turning, fellas.
This is SO true.

I'm 61, and when I played in my teens/20s... EVERYBODY played lead guitar. Getting into a band/auditioning was tough... lots of competition.

Nowadays, if you're a lead player, you practically pick your band. CL/FB musicians groups have ads looking for lead guitar players all the time.
 

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-my two current teles* are not actual teles. I like small maker stuff.

*k-line truxton byrd... tele/firebird hybrid, raised block in the middle w/ trad tele pick up at bridge and firebird in middle and neck. Sublime. As close as a perfect guitar(for my needs) as I've played. My go to for the last few years.

*Winchester Ky's own RS guitarworks stepside w/,p90"s. Great well made guitar.

-agree with Grantbob... telecasters with trad pickup settings are truly the most versatile guitar made, imo. Great music in every genre has been produced with these guitars.

-body shape is the most comfortable as well, imo.

-if you have time/skills... partscasters are a great option... or just find someone on reverb.com with good reviews that builds. There's a guy in Paris, KY that builds and lists on Craigslist... no experience with him, but he uses decent quality components and it's affordable.

-i always consider resale... so if you're set on a Fender, go American. I've owned *great* Mexican teles**...and a few duds, ymmv.

** had a blond w/ humbucucker at neck and trad single at bridge. Should never have sold it.

-the g&l tribute stuff is very cool... but it's Indonesian made, resale is crap. That also makes for a possible bargain if you can find what you want used... haven't looked recently but you can often find American g&l stuff on reverb for under a grand.

-happy hunting.
 
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What kind of reputation do G&L Tribute guitars have? They have a Bluesboy model priced under $700. My experience with a P-90 is a Epiphone Elitist Casino. I love it. Can't envision it being a blues guitar, though.
We have a G&L tele at my church that plays and sounds great. The only thing about it is that it's a little neck heavy.
 

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-nabbed an rs guitarworks countour lite (strat) at GC Lexington last week. Its their stripped down basic model... matte british racing green (looks green-gray) Retail of 1900ish... got it for under a grand. Still had the case candy/build sheet and such.

^first strat I've owned in years... enjoying so far.
 

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-it does not, was a custom build... build sheet says "owner provided" on the pick-ups line... bummer.

^that said it sounds great, someday I'll look (or maybe call/visit them and see if they remember).... I assumed nobody is gonna pay for a custom build and put in ****** pickups, ear test confirms.
 
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Everything that RS makes is excellent.

On the pickups I would bet they are something boutique like Fralin or Lollar. If you pop off the pickguard they are hopefully labeled.
 

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Traded a 2020 Epi by Gibson '59 Standard Outfit LP for a 2024 Epi LP Custom with P90s yesterday. Pretty sure this was a GC or Sweetwater exclusive guitar, can't find it on Epiphone's site and its specs are completely different from the Joe Bonamassa edition P90 Standard LP and the 50's P90 LP they did 5 years back or so.

I don't love the color, I don't really care for the pickups (they're not the Epi P90 Pros, which, being a Custom, they should be) and I loathe and detest gold hardware, but it's a player. So, new project, going to completely gut it and rebuild it. Traded for the Custom bones- the P90 routes, the ebony fingerboard and the slim-60's neck profile. I'll post post-build pics in a couple months when I get it finished.

I bought that '59 when they first came out actually believing that they were going to be 'limited edition' and that value would increase (laughing at me). 5 years later and they're still cranking them out. It lived in the case, I never played it due to the baseball bat neck and the hopes of preserving it for increased value (still laughing). Super-nice guitar, completely speced-out with Gibson/CTS/Switchcraft parts, full 5/8" maple cap, even had the full-length neck tennon that extends into the pickup cavity like a real 50's LP. But a complete waste as a player. Never seen one that didn't come close to 10 pounds. Seems I'm not alone as the used market is absolutely flooded with them now. What a swing and miss by Epiphone. I think that's why they re-imagined and re-issued their '59s in 2023 and they now cost $1300. Everybody wants a '59 right up until they grab that neck. It's a complete game-changer.
 
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Traded a 2020 Epi by Gibson '59 Standard Outfit LP for a 2024 Epi LP Custom with P90s yesterday. Pretty sure this was a GC or Sweetwater exclusive guitar, can't find it on Epiphone's site and its specs are completely different from the Joe Bonamassa edition P90 Standard LP and the 50's P90 LP they did 5 years back or so.

I don't love the color, I don't really care for the pickups (they're not the Epi P90 Pros, which, being a Custom, they should be) and I loathe and detest gold hardware, but it's a player. So, new project, going to completely gut it and rebuild it. Traded for the Custom bones- the P90 routes, the ebony fingerboard and the slim-60's neck profile. I'll post post-build pics in a couple months when I get it finished.

I bought that '59 when they first came out actually believing that they were going to be 'limited edition' and that value would increase (laughing at me). 5 years later and they're still cranking them out. It lived in the case, I never played it due to the baseball bat neck and the hopes of preserving it for increased value (still laughing). Super-nice guitar, completely speced-out with Gibson/CTS/Switchcraft parts, full 5/8" maple cap, even had the full-length neck tennon that extends into the pickup cavity like a real 50's LP. But a complete waste as a player. Never seen one that didn't come close to 10 pounds. Seems I'm not alone as the used market is absolutely flooded with them now. What a swing and miss by Epiphone. I think that's why they re-imagined and re-issued their '59s in 2023 and they now cost $1300. Everybody wants a '59 right up until they grab that neck. It's a complete game-changer.
Ever tried the Epiphone LP 60s Tribute? Has the Gibson PAF pickups and supposed to be really a good sounding guitar. The few times I've been in GC in the past couple of years, couldn't find one on the rack to pick up and play a bit. The original PAF pickups made my interest increase as the Burstbuckers are decent but I'm guessing the Gibson PUs would be just a bit better. Seems like it retailed for around $700, which I thought sounded like a steal.
 

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Everybody wants a '59 right up until they grab that neck. It's a complete game-changer.
Lots of us specifically buy guitars with fatter "50's profile necks". Better tuning, and SOME of us believe more wood = more tone lol... but YMMV.

I have 15 guitars: every one of them has a fat neck (.90-1.00 from 1st/12th frets). I couldn't play a skinny neck if I tried: they're extremely uncomfortable.
 

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Put me in the fat neck camp too. Its my preference just for the feel/comfort.

I've also moved on from heavy guitars for the most part. My main guitar for years was an early 90's G&L USA ASAT. Sounds amazing, love the neck and tone, but the body is too heavy, I've still got it for sentimental reasons, and occasionally play it if I'm sitting down or recording but not that often really. I should probably sell it.
 

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Weight doesn't bother me (yet, lol).

I still regularly gig my Gibson Custom Black Beauty Historic reissue at 10 lbs... but my Korina Flying V at 8 lbs is around if needed.
 
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Lots of us specifically buy guitars with fatter "50's profile necks". Better tuning, and SOME of us believe more wood = more tone lol... but YMMV.

I have 15 guitars: every one of them has a fat neck (.90-1.00 from 1st/12th frets). I couldn't play a skinny neck if I tried: they're extremely uncomfortable.
Yeah, you either love it or you don't. Not a lot of middle ground. I reckon there is a good reason they still make a lot of them, though.

A thinner neck on a 24.75" scale is a good recipe for my short, fat fingers. I like the slim-60's better than the 60's, but my favorite is the modern slim-taper b/c I can use my thumb over the top a little easier.

In contrast, I don't like Fender's thinner necks as much as I do their thicker stuff, but they don't seem to be/feel nearly as thick as a Gibson 50's.
 

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Ever tried the Epiphone LP 60s Tribute? Has the Gibson PAF pickups and supposed to be really a good sounding guitar. The few times I've been in GC in the past couple of years, couldn't find one on the rack to pick up and play a bit. The original PAF pickups made my interest increase as the Burstbuckers are decent but I'm guessing the Gibson PUs would be just a bit better. Seems like it retailed for around $700, which I thought sounded like a steal.
I have not. I remember those from a few years back, but never played one. Gibson makes its own Tribute LP for around $1400 and I've not seen one of those yet either. Not sure about the Epis, but the Gibson Tributes have chambered/weight-reduced bodies. I'd love to play one.

Epiphone now offers the '59 standard outfit and a new series of '59's that fall under the Epiphone by Gibson brand and those run around $1300. They have the Gibson CustomBuckers and a AAA cap. But, most importantly, they have the exact Gibson head stock shape instead of the modified Gibson shape on the Standard Outfit. Funny how Epiphone lives in the price gap between themselves and Gibson and they know exactly how to turn those screws to get the most money out of you.
 
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:cool: Nice gear.
Been playing in bands since the 80s, so I've accumulated a fair amount of gear.

Current inventory:

2 Gibson R8s Historic reissue
Gibson R4 gold top
Gibson R4 Jeff Beck
Gibson CU R7
Custom made Korina V 58 reissue
Custom made SG
Gibson ES 335 '58 Historic reissue
Custom made Explorer
Homemade Warmoth Strat w/EMGs
2 homemade Warmoth Teles
Custom made Telebacker
Gibson Hummingbird
Gold tone Dobro
Gibson LP Studio w/Floyd Rose
 

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Just finished. It came stock with 500k CTS pots and Mallory caps. I really did expect them to be metric and 250k with P90s. Saved me some time and money. All holes were American hardware-sized. No holes to ream.

It got a set of vintage Kulson Deluxe 15:1 tuners, Tonerider P90 pickups, Switchcraft jack and long 3-way switch with deep-set nut, and all the nickel hardware is Gotoh. Bridge pickup is 'hot' alnico V and neck is vintage alnico II
 

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-just nabbed a used larrivee baker T in charcoal metallic. Trad pick up configuration... thinnish/fast neck. Great feeling guitar.

^3rd "tele" in the stable, none of which are fenders.
 
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-just nabbed a used larrivee baker T in charcoal metallic.

As a big fan of Larrivee acoustics, I've been intrigued by those. but I've never seen one in the wild. My favorite "tele" is an early 90s G&L Asat.
 
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