Gun nuts: Explain to a stupid person like me

[WVUBRU]

https://gma.yahoo.com/watch-leaked-...shootout-085300959--abc-news-topstories.html#

How a shootout like the biker incident last year where I'm sure the NRA is thrilled since so many have guns and they are able "to defend themselves", have made society safer because of it? This is what you people are a proponent of. Being able to whip out a gun in a public place and just start shooting. Be proud what you have wished for is a reality along with all the other worthless killings by those that use guns without any regard for life. And don't use your usual "it is a mental health issue" or "should we outlaw cars since more people die that way" ******** attempting to deflect. I really want you to defend this is the type of society you want your kids to be part of and wish your kids were at that restaurant in the middle of this gunfight because you indeed support an organization and policy that is very happy of it happening in our great country.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

https://gma.yahoo.com/watch-leaked-...shootout-085300959--abc-news-topstories.html#

How a shootout like the biker incident last year where I'm sure the NRA is thrilled since so many have guns and they are able "to defend themselves", have made society safer because of it? This is what you people are a proponent of. Being able to whip out a gun in a public place and just start shooting. Be proud what you have wished for is a reality along with all the other worthless killings by those that use guns without any regard for life. And don't use your usual "it is a mental health issue" or "should we outlaw cars since more people die that way" ******** attempting to deflect. I really want you to defend this is the type of society you want your kids to be part of and wish your kids were at that restaurant in the middle of this gunfight because you indeed support an organization and policy that is very happy of it happening in our great country.

That behavior is abhorrent no question about it. Evil happens everywhere. Not excusing the behavior mind you but let's also discuss a society so confounded by laws that obvious criminal organizations like that are allowed to exist in the first place.

 

[bornaneer]

https://gma.yahoo.com/watch-leaked-...shootout-085300959--abc-news-topstories.html#

How a shootout like the biker incident last year where I'm sure the NRA is thrilled since so many have guns and they are able "to defend themselves", have made society safer because of it? This is what you people are a proponent of. Being able to whip out a gun in a public place and just start shooting. Be proud what you have wished for is a reality along with all the other worthless killings by those that use guns without any regard for life. And don't use your usual "it is a mental health issue" or "should we outlaw cars since more people die that way" ******** attempting to deflect. I really want you to defend this is the type of society you want your kids to be part of and wish your kids were at that restaurant in the middle of this gunfight because you indeed support an organization and policy that is very happy of it happening in our great country.

There is no defense for gun murders. We need to enforce the gun laws we already have. Take a look at the shooting numbers from Chicago while keeping in mind that Chicago has very,very tough gun laws. And NO, I have never been a member of the NRA and never will be. It's time that we STOP using gun killing for political purposes and START enforcing the laws.

October To Date
Shot & Killed: 27
Shot & Wounded: 199
Total Shot: 226
Total Homicides: 28

Week in Progress (10/25 – 10/31)
Shot & Killed: 2
Shot & Wounded: 54
Total Shot: 56
Total Homicides: 3

Year To Date
Shot & Killed: 377
Shot & Wounded: 2169
Total Shot: 2546
Total Homicides: 426

 

[bornaneer]

BRU, what is the liberal Democrat solution for this loss of life? I don't recall our President calling for tougher laws in the wake of all this senseless loss of life.

Alcohol is responsible for about 88,000 deaths in the U.S. each year, according to a new government report on the toll of excessive drinking. The CDC report calculated that fatalities due to drunk drivers and more than 50 other alcohol-related causes of death are responsible for wiping out about 2.5 million years of potential life each year. Americans between 20 and 64 were victims in the majority of alcohol-related deaths, so many of them would have lived for many more years if alcohol hadn’t killed them (either directly or indirectly).

 

[WVUBRU]

BRU, what is the liberal Democrat solution for this loss of life?

Ask a liberal Democrat.

Personally, I have discussed my personal opinion on that queston too many times on here and don't feel like doing it again today. That isn't the point of my comment so no need to revisit it for the 1000th time.

 

[Popeer]

BRU, what is the liberal Democrat solution for this loss of life? I don't recall our President calling for tougher laws in the wake of all this senseless loss of life.

Alcohol is responsible for about 88,000 deaths in the U.S. each year, according to a new government report on the toll of excessive drinking. The CDC report calculated that fatalities due to drunk drivers and more than 50 other alcohol-related causes of death are responsible for wiping out about 2.5 million years of potential life each year. Americans between 20 and 64 were victims in the majority of alcohol-related deaths, so many of them would have lived for many more years if alcohol hadn’t killed them (either directly or indirectly).

The country tried that experiment. Google "18th Amendment" and "21st Amendment." Then stop throwing up false analogies and straw men, and tell us all, which laws you think are not being enforced in reference to gun crime.

 

[bornaneer]

The country tried that experiment. Google "18th Amendment" and "21st Amendment." Then stop throwing up false analogies and straw men, and tell us all, which laws you think are not being enforced in reference to gun crime.

I assume you are making a joke, correct? I suggest you do a little research, maybe then you can explain why 99% of the guns used in Chicago shootings are illegal. It's so simple I think even you can figure it out. After you figure it out, tell us why the leadership in Chicago is not enforcing the laws already on the books. Are you aware of the 2nd Amendment?

 

[Airport]

I assume you are making a joke, correct? I suggest you do a little research, maybe then you can explain why 99% of the guns used in Chicago shootings are illegal. It's so simple I think even you can figure it out. After you figure it out, tell us why the leadership in Chicago is not enforcing the laws already on the books. Are you aware of the 2nd Amendment?

Tell us the illegal part? Purchased elsewhere and taken to Chicago and resold to criminals in Chicago? That its' illegal for criminals to buy them? Criminals will get them one way or another. If Chicago had stop and frisk, there would be less murders. Because they don't, ask the libs who rule there if they want blacks to die? It's directly responsible for the outrageous murder numbers there.

 

[WVUBRU]

Tell us the illegal part? Purchased elsewhere and taken to Chicago and resold to criminals in Chicago? That its' illegal for criminals to buy them? Criminals will get them one way or another. If Chicago had stop and frisk, there would be less murders. Because they don't, ask the libs who rule there if they want blacks to die? It's directly responsible for the outrageous murder numbers there.

What the hell is stop and frisk? The things that comes out of your keyboard is amazing. At least you respect the constitution like all conservatives do.

 

[WVUBRU]

That behavior is abhorrent no question about it. Evil happens everywhere. Not excusing the behavior mind you but let's also discuss a society so confounded by laws that obvious criminal organizations like that are allowed to exist in the first place.

You are excusing the behavior by your support of an ideology that says society would be safer with more guns and then saying evil happens everywhere. This doesn't have to happen as often as it does. Own up to your position.

 

[Popeer]

I assume you are making a joke, correct? I suggest you do a little research, maybe then you can explain why 99% of the guns used in Chicago shootings are illegal. It's so simple I think even you can figure it out. After you figure it out, tell us why the leadership in Chicago is not enforcing the laws already on the books. Are you aware of the 2nd Amendment?

What joke? You started with the ban alcohol bullsh1t straw man, and I showed you where we had tried that. And I'm well aware of the Second Amendment and why it was written. I'm still waiting for you and any other NRA tub thumper to cite specific laws that aren't being enforced instead of deflecting, which is your usual tactic when you got nothing else.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

You are excusing the behavior by your support of an ideology that says society would be safer with more guns and then saying evil happens everywhere. This doesn't have to happen as often as it does. Own up to your position.

Like you Bru, I've stated my opinion numerous times. As it stands, unless you are willing to violate some amendment of the constitution be it the 2nd, the 4th, or some other amendment then nothing will change. I myself will never personally agree to a change to the second nor would I abide by the changes made to it.

Evil exists, and will continue to exist. These things are the price of this specific freedom and one I accept.

 

[WVUBRU]

Like you Bru, I've stated my opinion numerous times. As it stands, unless you are willing to violate some amendment of the constitution be it the 2nd, the 4th, or some other amendment then nothing will change. I myself will never personally agree to a change to the second nor would I abide by the changes made to it.

Evil exists, and will continue to exist. These things are the price of this specific freedom and one I accept.

Pretty good comment and i can respect it. But we can impact the frequency of examples of evil in society without losing freedoms. That is the point i believe you are missing. But overall, i appreciate the honest answer.

 

[Mntneer]

Pretty good comment and i can respect it. But we can impact the frequency of examples of evil in society without losing freedoms. That is the point i believe you are missing. But overall, i appreciate the honest answer.

We can impact the frequency of all kinds of death and accidents, way more than those involving firearms, without losing freedoms but we don't. We choose to live with that risk.

In regards to your original post. I'm still waiting for all the details from that shootout. Judges have issued gag orders, and videos have had to be leaked instead of being released to the public. The video doesn't give a clear indication of who shot who and from where. What it does show was one irresponsible idiot fire off a round carelessly, something I expect him to be charged for. It also show another individual with a drawn gun, but that person never firing it. Some reports I read after the incident painted a picture where responding police, who were waiting on scene prior to the fight breaking out, vastly contributed to the number of injuries and that some of the calibers were not pistol rounds but were .223 rifle rounds, indicating that police may have opened fire with AR rifles.

So until more facts are made available to the public, and the gag order is lifted, we can't be quick to jump on the "evil NRA" bandwagon.

 

[bornaneer]

Ask a liberal Democrat.

Personally, I have discussed my personal opinion on that queston too many times on here and don't feel like doing it again today. That isn't the point of my comment so no need to revisit it for the 1000th time.

Sorry BRU, I must have missed your thoughts on alcohol and all the lives it destroys.

What joke? You started with the ban alcohol bullsh1t straw man, and I showed you where we had tried that. And I'm well aware of the Second Amendment and why it was written. I'm still waiting for you and any other NRA tub thumper to cite specific laws that aren't being enforced instead of deflecting, which is your usual tactic when you got nothing else.

What joke? You started with the ban alcohol bullsh1t straw man, and I showed you where we had tried that. And I'm well aware of the Second Amendment and why it was written. I'm still waiting for you and any other NRA tub thumper to cite specific laws that aren't being enforced instead of deflecting, which is your usual tactic when you got nothing else.

You are the one deflecting. I am no NRA tub thumper or whatever that means. Answer this; Why are thugs in Chicago walking around and shooting people with illegal guns. I think even you would know the specific law that is not being enforced. Let me break in down for you in SIMPLE terms, IT IS AGAINST THE LAW in Chicago to possess an ILLEGAL FIREARM. WHY IT THE LAW NOT BEING ENFORCED?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Pretty good comment and i can respect it. But we can impact the frequency of examples of evil in society without losing freedoms. That is the point i believe you are missing. But overall, i appreciate the honest answer.

I'm not missing it. I'm for eliminating straw man purchasing, having universal databases for background checks, firearms education and training in schools, universal reciprocity, elimination of gun free zones except in logical cases like banks/courtrooms etc., and all states being a shall issue.

I'm more than willing to compromise, the other side is not.

 

[WVUBRU]

I appreciate those that have respoinded. One person is wanting to talk about off topic points such as alcohol deaths. Responding to that nonsense is not worth any time. One person is saying we don't know the facts until it goes fully goes through the legal system. ********. We know the facts in terms of the number of guns in this country, the attitude and lie that more guns makes a safer society and the fact that in today's society due to that aforemention lie, people in general do not respect life and are very quick to use deadly force. Self-defense is not pulling out your gun and using it in a public place putting others at risk. And there is a third person that thinks his solutions to the problem are the only solutions available and is the reason why we have the problem. No, his comments are nothing more than an opinion. Valid opinion but not the absolute truth and neither is how he views on why nothing is getting done. Yes, there is a side not willing to compromise but he himself doesn't represent his side and that is the side that is the problem. They want even more guns on the street. Read the facts on the politics of the nation and the BS that the NRA spouse.

 

[bornaneer]

I appreciate those that have respoinded. One person is wanting to talk about off topic points such as alcohol deaths. Responding to that nonsense is not worth any time. One person is saying we don't know the facts until it goes fully goes through the legal system. ********. We know the facts in terms of the number of guns in this country, the attitude and lie that more guns makes a safer society and the fact that in today's society due to that aforemention lie, people in general do not respect life and are very quick to use deadly force. Self-defense is not pulling out your gun and using it in a public place putting others at risk. And there is a third person that thinks his solutions to the problem are the only solutions available and is the reason why we have the problem. No, his comments are nothing more than an opinion. Valid opinion but not the absolute truth and neither is how he views on why nothing is getting done. Yes, there is a side not willing to compromise but he himself doesn't represent his side and that is the side that is the problem. They want even more guns on the street. Read the facts on the politics of the nation and the BS that the NRA spouse.

BRU, You can mention my name when referring to comments I make. I did indeed bring up the alcohol deaths point. And I did it to point out that how one death generator( alcohol death) is swept under the rug while another death cause (gun death) makes the nightly news and spawns Presidential comments....Why? .... because its all about politics. The reason I always point to the Chicago murder problem is also because its treated the same way, no light is shone on that problem because of politics. You know that my comments are correct.

 

[WVUBRU]

ou know that my comments are correct.

No. One last time. Your comments are irrelevant. You are like an old wife that the husband says the sky is blue and she wants to talk about the grass turning from green to brown. Why? She claims they are all colors and it is outside so damnit, the point is valid. No, it isn't. Enough. You want to talk about alcohol deaths or this stupid Chicago murder rate that is nothing but deflection in this instance, go ahead and start a thread and I may join. I doubt I would participate unless something interesting comes up. The only relevance the Chicago murders have to my point I am discussing is there are too many guns on the streets and society doesn't value life. We agree. Happy? I have nothing else on the subject as it pertains to my point.

 

[bornaneer]

No. One last time. Your comments are irrelevant. You are like an old wife that the husband says the sky is blue and she wants to talk about the grass turning from green to brown. Why? She claims they are all colors and it is outside so damnit, the point is valid. No, it isn't. Enough. You want to talk about alcohol deaths or this stupid Chicago murder rate that is nothing but deflection in this instance, go ahead and start a thread and I may join. I doubt I would participate unless something interesting comes up. The only relevance the Chicago murders have to my point I am discussing is there are too many guns on the streets and society doesn't value life. We agree. Happy? I have nothing else on the subject as it pertains to my point.

"There is no defense for gun murders. We need to enforce the gun laws we already have." That was from my first comment in reply to your original post. I also am NO proponent of; "Being able to whip out a gun in a public place and just start shooting." I also have NEVER defended ANYONE who has used a gun to shoot someone. I'm sorry you are so close minded on this issue. The only way to stop gun violence is to eliminate ALL guns. You and I also both know that it would never happen.

 

[WVUBRU]

The only way to stop gun violence is to eliminate ALL guns.

That is not possible, not realistic and not my point. My point is not about enforcing existing gun laws and is why your comment is being ignored by me. Someone else responded to your point and you refuse to answer him. I don't care about your point or your BS on the point.

 

[bornaneer]

That is not possible, not realistic and not my point. My point is not about enforcing existing gun laws and is why your comment is being ignored by me. Someone else responded to your point and you refuse to answer him. I don't care about your point or your BS on the point.

Don't quite get what you point is. Have nice day.

 

[Mntneer]

I appreciate those that have respoinded. One person is wanting to talk about off topic points such as alcohol deaths. Responding to that nonsense is not worth any time. One person is saying we don't know the facts until it goes fully goes through the legal system. ********. We know the facts in terms of the number of guns in this country, the attitude and lie that more guns makes a safer society and the fact that in today's society due to that aforemention lie, people in general do not respect life and are very quick to use deadly force. Self-defense is not pulling out your gun and using it in a public place putting others at risk. And there is a third person that thinks his solutions to the problem are the only solutions available and is the reason why we have the problem. No, his comments are nothing more than an opinion. Valid opinion but not the absolute truth and neither is how he views on why nothing is getting done. Yes, there is a side not willing to compromise but he himself doesn't represent his side and that is the side that is the problem. They want even more guns on the street. Read the facts on the politics of the nation and the BS that the NRA spouse.

In regards to the case itself we don't know all the facts, and I never suggested we wait until it fully goes through the legal system. You're projecting. So until we know more about what happened in Waco it's premature to use it as a means to justify any legislative action. Hell, one report I read makes it sound like over a fourth of the rounds fired were fired by law enforcement and not by bikers. Do we ignore that?

If you want to address the facts on hand then address the fact that gun crime is down while gun ownership is up, or the fact that more handguns are used in crime than any long rifle.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I appreciate those that have respoinded. One person is wanting to talk about off topic points such as alcohol deaths. Responding to that nonsense is not worth any time. One person is saying we don't know the facts until it goes fully goes through the legal system. ********. We know the facts in terms of the number of guns in this country, the attitude and lie that more guns makes a safer society and the fact that in today's society due to that aforemention lie, people in general do not respect life and are very quick to use deadly force. Self-defense is not pulling out your gun and using it in a public place putting others at risk. And there is a third person that thinks his solutions to the problem are the only solutions available and is the reason why we have the problem. No, his comments are nothing more than an opinion. Valid opinion but not the absolute truth and neither is how he views on why nothing is getting done. Yes, there is a side not willing to compromise but he himself doesn't represent his side and that is the side that is the problem. They want even more guns on the street. Read the facts on the politics of the nation and the BS that the NRA spouse.

Wait, which one am I?

 

[rog1187]

https://gma.yahoo.com/watch-leaked-...shootout-085300959--abc-news-topstories.html#

How a shootout like the biker incident last year where I'm sure the NRA is thrilled since so many have guns and they are able "to defend themselves", have made society safer because of it? This is what you people are a proponent of. Being able to whip out a gun in a public place and just start shooting. Be proud what you have wished for is a reality along with all the other worthless killings by those that use guns without any regard for life. And don't use your usual "it is a mental health issue" or "should we outlaw cars since more people die that way" ******** attempting to deflect. I really want you to defend this is the type of society you want your kids to be part of and wish your kids were at that restaurant in the middle of this gunfight because you indeed support an organization and policy that is very happy of it happening in our great country.

Who in there right mind would wish their kid or any loved one would be caught in the middle of that? People that don't have any regard for life surely aren't going to have any regard for any law that might prevent them from carrying a gun (or any weapon). Yes I am a proponent of people being allowed to carry firearms - there are plenty of stories where people carrying firearms successfully utilized the firearm to defend themselves from others wishing to do them harm.