Guys, its not the coaching thats the problem

SmokinGun9

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Agree with your point about a team full of quitters.

But, I gotta ask, were these players quitters in high school?



Were these coaches dumb at the last job they had?


Were they quitters when we recruited them? If so, why did we recruit them?

Or have they learned to be quitters from a clueless head coach and a wimp AD?

One only has to consider the suspension of Dorian Baker after a so called "targeting" block when he was a freshman to answer these questions. Throw in abandoning Tubman when a grand jury determined there was not enough evidence to indict him, if you need another example. When your head coach and AD refuse to stand up for you as a player, it makes it a bit difficult to play your heart out to the last minute.
 

kentuckyrld

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I think we can take a look around the Country and figure out that it's not the coaching that has held us back. We ran Neal Brown out of town, he narrowly missed a major, major upset against Clemson. We got rid of Dawson, he came back to beat us and last I saw his Southern Miss team was up 49-0 at the half tonight. If we do not have a group of guys who are not all on the same page, then we will never win. The game is won or lost on the field. Eddie Gran averaged 585 yards/game last season. Has he already forgotten how to coach after 2 games? Stoops came from Florida St. I think they won a few games there as well. These first 2 games? as brutal an opening as we have ever seen. Lets right this ship, get a cpl of wins under our belt and smooth this thing out. But it will have to be done by the guys on the field. With that sorry effort today from roughly 20 of the 35 or so players that saw the field today, Vince Lombardi wouldnt have been in the game.

Your subject line says it is not the coaching then your post goes on to explain exactly why the problem is the coaching. You need to get things a bit better organized before you present you argument. And by the way, it is totally a lack of coaching.
 

shutzhund

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So what is the problem?


The same it's been except for Curci. We don't have the players to compete past low Sun Belt level. Those who say this or past teams are/were talented are talking about three or four good players and the rest just have a uniform.
 

SmokinGun9

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Your subject line says it is not the coaching then your post goes on to explain exactly why the problem is the coaching. You need to get things a bit better organized before you present you argument. And by the way, it is totally a lack of coaching.
My point being, everybody is blaming this entire thing on coaches. My use of past coaches to illustrate my point seemed pretty clear to me. I am not sure what you construe as criticizing of coaches.
 

SmokinGun9

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Well if it ain't coaching let's fire Stoops and hire a high school coach for $20k save the University a lot of money.

Just because Stoops was successful defensive coordinator doesn't translate to head coach where you are the decision maker

My point with this post was that these coaches know what they are doing. A helluva alot more than any of us on this board. Coaches can draw up plays, players can practice those plays all week, but during the game if we do not have execution, we look horrible. How much more can a coach do?
 

JC CATS

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Not a Tard, you can bank on that. The problem we have is the problem we have always had. We have zero speed on defense. I find it hard to believe that you guys are blaming the coaching. You telling me Eddie Gran doesnt know how to coach? Hinshaw doesnt know how to coach a quarterback? I am not buying it. Where did we find such a team full of quitters? we have 2 or 3 guys who play and the rest pout
Recruiting is part of coaching. I mean you realize that we have no speed on defense, why didn't these guys recruit some speed? The players are quitters? Why have a players only meeting? Who is responsible for motivating? Come on man, if the players aren't "good enough" the coaches should have recruited and coached up players who are good enough. This is year 4, not year 1
 

JC CATS

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Not a Tard, you can bank on that. The problem we have is the problem we have always had. We have zero speed on defense. I find it hard to believe that you guys are blaming the coaching. You telling me Eddie Gran doesnt know how to coach? Hinshaw doesnt know how to coach a quarterback? I am not buying it. Where did we find such a team full of quitters? we have 2 or 3 guys who play and the rest pout
Recruiting is part of coaching. I mean you realize that we have no speed on defense, why didn't these guys recruit some speed? The players are quitters? Why have a players only meeting? Who is responsible for motivating? Come on man, if the players aren't "good enough" the coaches should have recruited and coached up players who are good enough. This is year 4,
 
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SmokinGun9

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Recruiting is part of coaching. I mean you realize that we have no speed on defense, why didn't these guys recruit some speed? The players are quitters? Why have a players only meeting? Who is responsible for motivating? Come on man, if the players aren't "good enough" the coaches should have recruited and coached up players who are good enough. This is year 4,
Our recruiting rankings the last 4 years were top heavy with 2 or 3 highly ranked players. Speed on defense has been our Achilles heel for the last 50 years. Hindsights' 20-20, we do not have the talent to sucessfully compete but you cant lay all of that on the coaching. At some point, players have to step up or step aside.
 

JC CATS

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Our recruiting rankings the last 4 years were top heavy with 2 or 3 highly ranked players. Speed on defense has been our Achilles heel for the last 50 years. Hindsights' 20-20, we do not have the talent to sucessfully compete but you cant lay all of that on the coaching. At some point, players have to step up or step aside.
OK, so you are saying we are recruiting highly ranked players. Then they aren't being coached...
 

meteordealer

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Our recruiting rankings the last 4 years were top heavy with 2 or 3 highly ranked players. Speed on defense has been our Achilles heel for the last 50 years. Hindsights' 20-20, we do not have the talent to sucessfully compete but you cant lay all of that on the coaching. At some point, players have to step up or step aside.
Our Achilles heel has always been miserable line play and lack of depth on the defensive side.

Not to mention a coach that always looks like a deer caught in the headlights.
 
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rye48

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I guess I see it differently. I see alot of missed tackles, missed blocks, several by the wide receivers today, lack of execution. Just like last week, we give up a cheap touchdown before half, Barker fumbles twice in second half, guys not doing their jobs. Whats a coach supposed to do? run out there and make the tackle?
That comes down to either recruiting talent or coaching but Stoops is responsible for both !
 

W_Heisenberg

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I guess I see it differently. I see alot of missed tackles, missed blocks, several by the wide receivers today, lack of execution. Just like last week, we give up a cheap touchdown before half, Barker fumbles twice in second half, guys not doing their jobs. Whats a coach supposed to do? run out there and make the tackle?

If we lost 24-21, I would for sure agree with you....but yesterday wasn't even close.
 

seccats04

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Its not the coaching? Please explain why it took a miracle to beat EKU on our home field last year? 8 men on the field for a punt with the game on the line. Calling a timeout to ice our own kicker. The WKU debacle. The Vandy debacle last year. Multiple blow outs. Multiple off the field incidents. It all points to coaching.
 
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Chuckinden

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I think we can take a look around the Country and figure out that it's not the coaching that has held us back. We ran Neal Brown out of town, he narrowly missed a major, major upset against Clemson. We got rid of Dawson, he came back to beat us and last I saw his Southern Miss team was up 49-0 at the half tonight. If we do not have a group of guys who are not all on the same page, then we will never win. The game is won or lost on the field. Eddie Gran averaged 585 yards/game last season. Has he already forgotten how to coach after 2 games? Stoops came from Florida St. I think they won a few games there as well. These first 2 games? as brutal an opening as we have ever seen. Lets right this ship, get a cpl of wins under our belt and smooth this thing out. But it will have to be done by the guys on the field. With that sorry effort today from roughly 20 of the 35 or so players that saw the field today, Vince Lombardi wouldnt have been in the game.
Absolute terrible take. We have better players. It's the coach's job to get them to execute....that's not happening.
 

SmokinGun9

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Absolute terrible take. We have better players. It's the coach's job to get them to execute....that's not happening.
Explain to me how a coach gets a player on the field to throw a block, catch a pass, make a tackle? I know all about how they teach them in practice. I have yet to figure out how a coach can make a kid tackle. As a player, if you don't have the desire to get better and quit going out there and embarassing yourself, then quit the sport.
 

KopiKat

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LMAO at these people who think the problem is the players and not the coach. As if a new coach came in and suddenly produced a winning season he would be denied credit for it. As if coaches who consistently produce effective results have fans who say stupid crap like, it's really our players who deserve all the credit, because these guys have been competing like this since they were in high school.
 
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This is year four, not year one. Stoops teams appear to be getting worse, not better. So far he is nothing more than a famous name in an empty suit.
 

ukats22

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Agree with your point about a team full of quitters.

But, I gotta ask, were these players quitters in high school?

Were they quitters when we recruited them? If so, why did we recruit them?

Or have they learned to be quitters from a clueless head coach and a wimp AD?

One only has to consider the suspension of Dorian Baker after a so called "targeting" block when he was a freshman to answer these questions. Throw in abandoning Tubman when a grand jury determined there was not enough evidence to indict him, if you need another example. When your head coach and AD refuse to stand up for you as a player, it makes it a bit difficult to play your heart out to the last minute.


This has more to do with the team than most realize.

Dave
 

sgt4269

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Everything goes back to coaching.
First we have the best talent we have had in decades. So we know we can compete. We have good players.
When you take good players and suck that bad because you're not coaching, then it's coaching...
 

JC CATS

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That comes down to either recruiting talent or coaching but Stoops is responsible for both !
In agree with you. What is so hard to understand that missed blocks, missed tackles, not executing is on the coaches. Why are they not recruiting guys who can bloc and tackle and execute. why are they not coaching players how to do this. Something is wrong and it is not the players, it lies at the feet of the staff
 

80 Proof

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I think we can take a look around the Country and figure out that it's not the coaching that has held us back. We ran Neal Brown out of town, he narrowly missed a major, major upset against Clemson. We got rid of Dawson, he came back to beat us and last I saw his Southern Miss team was up 49-0 at the half tonight. If we do not have a group of guys who are not all on the same page, then we will never win. The game is won or lost on the field. Eddie Gran averaged 585 yards/game last season. Has he already forgotten how to coach after 2 games? Stoops came from Florida St. I think they won a few games there as well. These first 2 games? as brutal an opening as we have ever seen. Lets right this ship, get a cpl of wins under our belt and smooth this thing out. But it will have to be done by the guys on the field. With that sorry effort today from roughly 20 of the 35 or so players that saw the field today, Vince Lombardi wouldnt have been in the game.
Vince Lombardi would have had bloody knuckles coming out of the locker room and a dozen players would have been booted from the team. I've supported Stoops from the beginning, but he's got to toughen up and will this team into victory. Teams take on their coach's personality, and right now this team is playing confused and without emotion.
 
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Our recruiting rankings the last 4 years were top heavy with 2 or 3 highly ranked players. Speed on defense has been our Achilles heel for the last 50 years. Hindsights' 20-20, we do not have the talent to sucessfully compete but you cant lay all of that on the coaching. At some point, players have to step up or step aside.

If we don't hold the coaches accountable then we just need to quit. This is not high school sports where you have to play what you are dealt. This is college athletics and coaches have total control on who they evaluate and recruit for their program. If you have a bunch of players that are not performing then it is all on the coach. If they cannot be motivated then you are either doing a poor job motivating or you shouldn't have recruited them..