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anthonys735

anthonys735

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Lee/Poythress are infuriating. 5* Upperclassman that played on 2 Final 4 teams. Neither can avoid a cheap foul and have regressed significantly in conference play.

Lee: In conference play 5.2pts and 6 rebs
Auburn: 3pts, 4 rebs, 3 fouls, 20 minutes
State: 2pts, 9 rebs, 5 fouls, 25 minutes
LSU: 0pts, 2 rebs, 5 fouls, 6 minutes

AP:
Take out the Bama outlier and he's averaging 4.5pts and 6 rebs in conference.

We're not even getting a double double from our TWO starting upperclassmen big guys combined and they're both fouling at a ridiculous clip.

Jay Williams said it yesterday. Every UK game is basically 3 on 5.
 
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Sheray Thomas would get minutes on this team. That's really all you need to know that this season is on the brink of total disaster.
 
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cawoodsct

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Dakich doing his thing.
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1/16/16, 4:18 PM
The isn't a Kentucky fan alive that truly believes Tyler Ulis is a Top 5 point guard n the country..it's a birthright to whine but 0 believe
 
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krazykats

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Our players may not be all world, but if that is what it takes for Calipari to succeed then shouldn't the blame start with him?

After Tubby/BCG this era has been awesome and is one of the best runs ever. Still that doesn't get Cal off the hook. I mean we arguably still have a team with more talent than most of college basketball. They aren't playing to their potential mainly because Cal has a system built on not hiding flaws. Almost as if he finds a flaw and intentionally puts that player in a position where that gets exploited.

That works for future NBA all stars, but we don't have that this year. Would it really hurt to change style for 1 year to make this team the best it can be? I can't see it hurting anymore than doing what we are now!
 
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Geese Feeder

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wildcat1973 said:
The whole damn team sucked yesterday, even Ulis. Sure, he could have some more help (especially inside)d, but in the 4 losses...

UCLA - 2-11 FG and 1-5 3P
Ohio State - 4-12 FG and 1-7 3P
LSU - 7-16 FG and 2-6 3P
Auburn - 5-17 FG and 0-3 3P

That's 18-56 FG and 4-21 3P, or 32% and 19%, respectively. Not going to get it done.

He's not a role player, but he's also not a "star" player, and can't carry a team by himself.
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And in those 4 losses -- what kind of production came from our bigs and how many minutes did Ulis play? If there's absolutely no one to throw it to or for the defense to respect on the block, everything is forced out and that much more pressure is being put on the guards.

Kid is being asked to play 40 mins *airy* night. He has the ball 85% of the time. Those shooting percentages are what they are because 1) there is ZERO post production to keep the D honest and 2) Cal is riding him like a rented mule.

You looking for reasons to ***** about Ulis may be the dumbest thing I've read on this board, EVER, from an agenda standpoint. STFU about him as he's the very LAST thing about this team that needs to be addressed, esp after a terrible loss. Kid is a warrior and deserves so much better than this **** stain of a frontcourt. Good Lord.
 
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K-GAR

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Last night we got 13/9 from the trio of Skal, Poy, Lee...

The only loss where they sort of performed well, and we still lost was Ohio State, who shot lights out AND Ulis had his worst game.

 
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Poythress actually played really well yesterday in the first half, then got saddled with two fouls (both of which appeared questionable). He didn't score but he was rebounding and defending at a very high level. Many in here even said so at the time.

He did disappear in the second half, but honestly I think he was the only one of our trio who was serviceable yesterday.

What makes our front court issues even more frustrating is that all you have to do is look at the 2014 tourney run when Lee and Poythress were out there for significant stretches at a time and looked like a better-than-average college front court. Of course, that team also had Julius Randle at the height of his collegiate powers, so I'm sure that helped things. But that was TWO years ago and both guys look worse now than they did then (and yes I know Alex blew his ACL, but that doesn't explain it either).

Anyway I'll hang up and listen.
 
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wildcat1973_rivals160373

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Calipari needs a BIG lead guard to succeed at an elite level. Rose, Evans, Wall, Knight, etc. For as much **** as Andrew Harrison took, kid ultimately was the PG for 2 Final Four teams. Cal has struggled with small less physical guards running the show...see Harrow and Ulis. Sure there were other circumstances but physical and 6-3"+ seems to be a pattern.

Ulis is a great player but he's not the type of guard to run the show for Calipari's offense, which you despise. Even Teague was a big physical bully. Not as elite as the above list but he was a bulldog.

Sorry you can't see that.

I wonder if this team would be better with Briscoe running the show and moving Ulis off the point to an off guard role? Just a thought...
 
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I think Brisco led the point after Ulis' elbow issue and it was a disaster.

I don't think Dakari would have made a big difference. He could not jump over a phone book and was blocked a lot by smaller guys. Dakari is a pipe dream.

Where did the lobs go? 2010 & 2012 had it, the Harrison teams were mediocre at it. It is borderline non-existent with this team.
 
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The "Big" lead guard is not the corollary for Cal and success ... It's front court.

Cousins, Harrellson performing above his head, AD, Randle, Willie, Towns.

Even Derrick Rose had Dorsey, Dozier, and Taggert averaging 23 and 21 per game. And Rose is a GD NBA MVP so he didn't need near the help

Tyler Ulis IS a star, and there is simply no debating it IMO... You put this years version of Tyler Ulis leading last years team and we have #9 already
 
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wildcat1973 said:
I wonder if this team would be better with Briscoe running the show and moving Ulis off the point to an off guard role? Just a thought...
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I mentioned this a while back. I'd like to see it. One, we are grinding Ulis to a nub. Two, when Briscoe is standing on the wing behind the arc he can be completely ignored. Three, Ulis is a much better shooter off the catch than off the dribble.

I think we might have seen some of this by now if Briscoe's shooting would just come around a little. He's hitting the midrange shot now and even made a couple FT's last game. Get him hitting above 60% at the FT line and then I think you can make that change.
 
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catlanta33 said:
This is just a poorly built team.
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:eek:kay:

buckethead1978 said:
Where did the lobs go? 2010 & 2012 had it, the Harrison teams were mediocre at it. It is borderline non-existent with this team.
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Well, for that to be possible, we'd need players who resembled anybody on 2010 & 2012. In fairness, I thought Andrew did a good job with this part of the offense. /Phi Slamma

-I'd mentioned in convo before that we're playing 4 on 5 every night, but I'll concede the 3 on 5 might be a better estimate.

-Doc, whats the normal down time for a broke 5th something or other in the right foot? They said wait for the ortho's opinion--tomorrow or Tuesday--but figured I'd forgo that window.

TIA.
 
anthonys735

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CoolCat45 said:
This team would have been fine if Skal would have been 75% of what he was advertised as. One big man who could command a double team would make all the difference.
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That's it. Not that it's fair to the big guy but the truth nonetheless.

Also, Dakari had a nice post move. He just wasn't good on receiving an interior pass and going up quickly. Get him the ball, back to the basket and he was solid. Enough to pay attention to. Lee gets most of his points on put backs. Same with Poythress.
 
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Ulis is awesome, but he's not designed to be the MAIN guy on a team -- not many PGs are. He's absolutely a top PG in the country....certainly top 5. Kid nearly had a triple double yesterday playing by himself, and WOULD have if any of his pass recipients could make a touching shot.

Kid is a warrior.

John F. Wall wouldn't look much better on THIS team, TS. Our issues do not lie at the PG in any way, shape or form...period.

Only an idiot DBag would post Ulis' stats in any attempt to prove some kind of point regarding this team. :100points:
 
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IsRichieGonnaStart said:
Play the darn Kiwi. He seriously can't be any worse than what we have down low right now.

Ulis is awesome but we depend way too much on him being our primary scorer to be a good team.
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Play the Kiwi and the other lug. You can't do any worse. Big bodies, use them to screen. Hell, might even get a pick an roll going once or twice a game which is better than we have now.

Might even get better than 7&6 from the two on occasion.

10 fouls too!
 
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BBdK

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Did I hear that right? 1st RB rushing touchdown vs Seattle since November 2014? Surely not...

That doesn't seem possible. o_O
 
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BLUEHILLS

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anthonys735 said:
Defensively, hard to blame the bigs. Seems like guards getting off has been pretty frequent.
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If nothing else, have the two white foreigners set screens. Make the defense have to make a decision. Has anyone noticed how ****** our current bigs are at setting screens? If you can't free up Tyler Ulis with a screen, you are doing something wrong.

I would bet our guards would love some good screens as they are smart enough to react to the dick fingering by the defense a good screen would create.

10 fouls too!
 
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IsRichieGonnaStart

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Not a NFL guy but I don't see how anyone can't appreciate how good Cam Newton is. What a freak athlete. Every time he has the ball you think he's going to do something amazing.
 
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HossCat73 said:
-Doc, whats the normal down time for a broke 5th something or other in the right foot? They said wait for the ortho's opinion--tomorrow or Tuesday--but figured I'd forgo that window.

TIA.
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Depends on where and how bad it's broken. Nondisplaced simple fracture probably 4-6 weeks to heal. But see the ortho guy, there are a lot of different types of fractures.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jones_fracture#Treatment
 
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Hard to get motivated to set good screens when the guards don't rub off them properly. Nothing more frustrating when you got to set it and then the guard leaves space you can drive a truck through.
 
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_Chase_ said:
Sheray Thomas would get minutes on this team. That's really all you need to know that this season is on the brink of total disaster.
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[laughing]
yep

Or Rekalin Simms coming in as a Juco Savior" for the front court

I try to think of it as "investing" in next year with Skal and the Big Aussie (who may -- with lots of hard work and patience --- eventually be as good as the Senior-Year-Version of Rob Lock)
 
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LadyCat92 said:
Hard to get motivated to set good screens when the guards don't rub off them properly. Nothing more frustrating when you got to set it and then the guard leaves space you can drive a truck through.
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Guards have to have someone who can set a screen in order to rub off them properly.

Something tells me from any of our 3 guard's perspectives, seeing Lee and Skal come up from the block to set a screen doesn't necessarily excite them.
 
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