“Reopen protestors”
Yep, I remember when thousands of “reopen protestors” stormed every major city, in some cases destroying govt property, looting businesses, and such.
Had you rather wear a mask for 30 days, Or see everything shutdown for 2 or 3 months?
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“Reopen protestors”
Yep, I remember when thousands of “reopen protestors” stormed every major city, in some cases destroying govt property, looting businesses, and such.
New cases mean nothing until we have full transparency in the numbers. But we can’t put much faith in a metric that has antibody positives, older virus positives, duplicate positive tests of the same person being tested multiple times, and assume positives. That doesn’t take into account the increase in testing overall.
One group wanted to destroy the economy, our country etc.
One group wanted to save the economy, our country, etc.
You need help figuring any of this out going forward?
The options aren't a binary lockdown vs wide open. Death rate includes several factors, many of which are how they're counted.
Back to my original challenge:
How many people have covid right now? How many are new infections?
We don't know. That means noone really knows how serious it is. It also means noone should be making unprecedented decisions based on incomplete data.
2 days ago Florida tested 142,000. That's alot of tests. There were 15,000 positives but that's alot of tests.
Look this virus is literally everywhere. Test more, you'll find more. Pretty clear that Prevention is a long lost cause. That's why treatment should be the focus
The main difference there is that one group of protesters was shamed by the msm & government officials and the other group of protesters (which was exponentially larger) was encouraged & lauded by the very same msm & government officials.
My local school board (not in KY) voted last night to start all fall classes online only.
What was being protested is irrelevant to a virus. You understand that or do you need help figuring that out going forward?
So what? They both have contributed to spreading the virus and are guilty of harming the economy.
Pretty sure I am pointing my finger at both fringe groups. Calling it nonexistent would plant you squarely in one of those fringes.
Ok. If that’s true then don’t you think it’s a major problem that the msm and government officials have been encouraging an activity that contributes to spreading the virus?
Where we’re all these re-open protests which drew hundreds of thousands of people in every major and middle size city? Did I sleep through that?
Yes. TV coverage tends to glorify the protests. I also see politicians on both sides encouraging the protests, at least passively, to all of our detriment.
Yeah, ok your right. We’re all going to die of Covid. That .001% death rate or whatever the hell it is for the vast majority of people definitely isn’t nonexistent.
Just more examples of why prevention is futile. If Japan can't prevent it, noone can.
This is correct. But how many cases you think cam out of the small reopen protests vs the gigantic blm protests?
How were each treated by the lock down governors?
Which is unnecessary as the case count should be irrelevant. Almost all the blm protesters were young which is why the death rate is flat/in decline.
If people aren't dying - what's the panic?
BLM protests were clearly larger and more widespread. My point was that both sides broke protocols and found reasons to justify it. In my book they are both causing the issues we will be stuck with. You just want to blame liberals, go for it. I can see a world where people justified their actions on both sides and the people in the middle who have followed the rules are the ones who lose. On the left you can blame the BLM protests. On the right you can point to all sorts of mass gatherings, from Trump rallies to Jeep Weekend to churches refusing to not gather.Again, the end result is a bunch of entitled people feeling justified in breaking rules.
Broke protocols....or burned down police precincts? etc etc etc
Went to church....or burned down the Wendy's etc etc etc
Make sure you go to all these places that are still protesting and rioting and tell them to be sure to wear their masks so we can have sports. I'm sure they will listen right up and obey. They seem to be the lot that likes to follow rules and take action to benefit others around them.
I'm sure all those huge crowds of protesters yelling screaming, and rubbing up against each other has had no effect regarding the virus.
I'm sure all those huge crowds of protesters yelling screaming, and rubbing up against each other has had no effect regarding the virus.
Right. Go to church and the government takes down you license plates, open your barbershop and the government strips your license.
Setup cop free zones you are applauded. Violently protest, destroy property, loot, assault and nothing.
If you really dispute the difference in the way the situations have been handled you either lack the ability to impartially view the situations or are just arguing for the the sake of arguing. Either way not worth any more time.
So you think a church that has maybe a hundred people per service one or two times a week that is practicing safety measures is the cause for the spike?
No way that thousands of protesters in dozens of cities daily had more effect huh? Gimme a break.
You think these churches are to blame? Not surprising.
You think this is strictly about a virus and not political? You want to lay equal blame but you really want to blame the folks that didn't riot, loot, or burn as equal to those that did. They yelled and screamed in the faces of everyone. It's so easy to blame those you don't like and excuse those they you do. You say both but you really seem to think they had equal effect when one group is much smaller and not gathered by the thousands daily. Seems odd to hold them both accountable in the same way.
I’m not trying to blame just Libs. Although, they feel immune from blame. I’m pointing out the absolute ridiculous hypocrisy of our governments and the media.
We trashed all the beach goers, the 15,000 at a Trump rally, Dick and Jane walking into a store without a mask, church goers, etc..
We glorified and encouraged protests, mass funeral gatherings and riots everywhere that literally drew millions. And the media, as well as COVID overreactors, STILL refuse to acknowledge the role these gatherings had in the spikes.
We see states like Florida totally screw up the accurate count on results. We see NY brag about how good they are doing versus others after 32,000 already died. We see the Pres bragging his *** off instead of providing facts and optimism.
And people continue to wonder why normal Americans are sick and damn tired of government entities telling them what to do and not do.
Im honestly shocked there hasn’t been a major uprising.
Went to church....or burned down the Wendy's etc etc etc
Does this justify something in your mind? You ever hear the whole "Two wrongs don't make a right" thing?
They are the same in they are groups of people using whatever satisfies them to justify breaking the rules. Entitlement. I have no way of knowing which had more of an impact, nor do you. But we all get to live with the results of it.
How many people have democrats killed and maimed since these "protests" began. What's the total property damage? I lost track, and the msm is quiet about it.
If it were Conservatives, you'd never hear the end of it. What's even more ridiculous is democrats have made talk of their own violence taboo. It's not PC. Racist even.
If it were Conservatives, you'd never hear the end of it. What's even more ridiculous is democrats have made talk of their own violence taboo. It's not PC. Racist even.
I do know, you just don't want to acknowledge which had the greater effect. I wonder why......hmmmm
The numbers are so generic that they hardly mean anything to be honest. No two states/countries test exactly the same way.
I used the stats from Worldometers. Nothing is accurate though, it's pathetic how some states count deaths and active cases here the US. I can't even imagine how badly these stats are being shared by other countries with different motives.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
If you don't know how serious it is.......and this is a widespread phenomenon......that does kill a portion of the population no matter how small......that appears to be causing significant heart or neural damage.......shouldn't you err on the side of caution until you learn more?
Where I live, they arrested the leader of several protests, then dropped all the charges except for one simple misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct.
Some of the charges that were dropped:
unlawful assembly, a probation violation, second-degree criminal mischief(a felony charge) and trespass
The university on my town is now going to spend $1,000,000.00 to remove graffiti from several buildings.
You don't at the cost of a Great Depression, which is coming, and let's hope it doesn't result in another world war like the last one indirectly caused, a significant increase in suicide and opiate death, rising mental health issues, increased child abuse, increased poverty especially with children across the world, the prospect of millions of people worldwide being faced with starving, mass civil unrest (which we have already seen, and which would have been very unlikely to have been on that level but for people being cooped up and put out of work for two plus months), increased health issues of other kinds, etc, etc, etc. Oh, and a complete disregard of civil liberties, which most Americans, particularly the so-called anarchists who ended up rioting over something else a few weeks later, sucked right up like good little sheep. The lockdowns were the greatest unforced error in modern history.