Hagans IS STILL THE PROBLEM

[Arivacalion]

What if I told you that this coach had receivers in 2023 who couldn't get open, couldn't beat man coverage, didn't run hard and didn't fight for the ball? Then what if I told you his next year he would have different receivers and the exact same problem? Then, what if I told you he would blow up the room, go out and get 3 brand new receivers, and ACTUALLY BE WORSE than his first two years?

Does he have incriminating pictures of Franklin with hookers and blow? Does he have video clips of Kraft stealing steaks at Walmart? Why is this guy still coaching?

 

[LMTLION]

To your point, the WR’s are still a major problem.

 

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To your point, the WR’s are still a major problem.

All of them? none of them get open? none of them!!

 

[BobPSU92]

OBVIOUSLY. , Franklin is not averse to sh|tcanning assistant coaches. Why has he held on to Hagans?

 

[LB99]

All of them? none of them get open? none of them!!

Yeah, I’m not sure I agree with the knock that the WRs don’t get open. There’s been plenty of replays showing guys open. TV guys pointed out one specific instance at UCLA also. Allar has happy feet and doesn’t see the whole field.

 

[KingLando]

Anyone that doesn't comprehend Allar was phenomenal on Saturday should stop watching football

 

[LB99]

To your point, the WR’s are still a major problem.

The best player was Kaytron Allen and he isn’t being utilized enough. The WRs were all very productive prior to getting to PSU. It isn’t the WRs. They didn’t all of a sudden start sucking.

 

[leinbacker]

Yeah, I’m not sure I agree with the knock that the WRs don’t get open. There’s been plenty of replays showing guys open. TV guys pointed out one specific instance at UCLA also. Allar has happy feet and doesn’t see the whole field.

It’s easy to point out open guys when looking down on the field. But at field level, do we have throwing lanes thr let drew see?

 

[BobPSU92]

It’s easy to point out open guys when looking down on the field. But at field level, do we have throwing lanes thr let drew see?

So what you’re saying is that Drew should watch the games on TV. I’m with you.

 

[OUIrPSU]

Anyone that doesn't comprehend Allar was phenomenal on Saturday should stop watching football

19/26 for 200 yards is clearly NOT phenomenal.

 

[OUIrPSU]

The best player was Kaytron Allen and he isn’t being utilized enough. The WRs were all very productive prior to getting to PSU. It isn’t the WRs. They didn’t all of a sudden start sucking.

Then explain the play of the O line.

 

[RolexKong]

What if I told you that this coach had receivers in 2023 who couldn't get open, couldn't beat man coverage, didn't run hard and didn't fight for the ball? Then what if I told you his next year he would have different receivers and the exact same problem? Then, what if I told you he would blow up the room, go out and get 3 brand new receivers, and ACTUALLY BE WORSE than his first two years?

Does he have incriminating pictures of Franklin with hookers and blow? Does he have video clips of Kraft stealing steaks at Walmart? Why is this guy still coaching?

Last year, at their other schools, Pena and Ross each had more than 75 receptions. Is Hagans coaching so that they've unlearned the skills that allowed them to put up those numbers? Maybe they should ignore him. Wouldn't be the first time that happened between players and coaches.

 

[LB99]

It’s easy to point out open guys when looking down on the field. But at field level, do we have throwing lanes thr let drew see?

He’s 6’5” right? He’s not Kyler Murray or Drew Brees who can’t see over the lineman.

 

[LB99]

Then explain the play of the O line.

Does it look like Allen is struggling to get yards?

 

[LB99]

Maybe they could splurge a little and hire a legitimate QB coach? It was one of my biggest pet peeves in the late Paterno years also. No quality QB coaching.

 

[KingLando]

19/26 for 200 yards is clearly NOT phenomenal.

If you evaluate a player based on stats solely you also are wasting time watching football

 

[KingLando]

The best player was Kaytron Allen and he isn’t being utilized enough. The WRs were all very productive prior to getting to PSU. It isn’t the WRs. They didn’t all of a sudden start sucking.

The WRs were productive in other schemes--I'm not sure why "our scheme doesn't work" is confusing. See the 4th & 2 play call which is a summary of our entire season.

Allen is our best player and should be getting 20-25 carries a game but none of it matters running this scheme. None of it. But on Saturday Allar was.

 

[CDLionFL]

Since the offense was coming at me in the stadium on Saturday, I spent a lot of the 2nd & 4th quarters watching the receivers in patterns and there wasn't much good to look at. A couple of times, Hudson got manhandled by a CB and couldn't even get off contact, let alone get any separation. There was also at least one time where I saw a WR break open but instead of cutting to even more open space for a potential big shot, they cut to their pattern to the sidelines, right into where an underneath CB was lurking. That's probably a product of scheme. But the only time I saw guys open were tight ends over the middle or that little drag middle screen they ran to Pena at the beginning of the 4th quarter. But there needs to be a lot of self-examination as to why someone like KLS went somewhere else and got an NFL contract and how Wallace is thriving at Ole Miss while guys that thrived elsewhere come here and are just as pedestrian as the ones who left.

 

[Arivacalion]

Last year, at their other schools, Pena and Ross each had more than 75 receptions. Is Hagans coaching so that they've unlearned the skills that allowed them to put up those numbers? Maybe they should ignore him. Wouldn't be the first time that happened between players and coaches.

It sure wouldn't. Ask any defensive player at Penn State who played between 1999 and 2004.

 

[Arivacalion]

Since the offense was coming at me in the stadium on Saturday, I spent a lot of the 2nd & 4th quarters watching the receivers in patterns and there wasn't much good to look at. A couple of times, Hudson got manhandled by a CB and couldn't even get off contact, let alone get any separation. There was also at least one time where I saw a WR break open but instead of cutting to even more open space for a potential big shot, they cut to their pattern to the sidelines, right into where an underneath CB was lurking. That's probably a product of scheme. But the only time I saw guys open were tight ends over the middle or that little drag middle screen they ran to Pena at the beginning of the 4th quarter. But there needs to be a lot of self-examination as to why someone like KLS went somewhere else and got an NFL contract and how Wallace is thriving at Ole Miss while guys that thrived elsewhere come here and are just as pedestrian as the ones who left.

Geez I wonder who the wide receiver coach is at Penn State

 

[LB99]

Since the offense was coming at me in the stadium on Saturday, I spent a lot of the 2nd & 4th quarters watching the receivers in patterns and there wasn't much good to look at. A couple of times, Hudson got manhandled by a CB and couldn't even get off contact, let alone get any separation. There was also at least one time where I saw a WR break open but instead of cutting to even more open space for a potential big shot, they cut to their pattern to the sidelines, right into where an underneath CB was lurking. That's probably a product of scheme. But the only time I saw guys open were tight ends over the middle or that little drag middle screen they ran to Pena at the beginning of the 4th quarter. But there needs to be a lot of self-examination as to why someone like KLS went somewhere else and got an NFL contract and how Wallace is thriving at Ole Miss while guys that thrived elsewhere come here and are just as pedestrian as the ones who left.

I’m not saying you are wrong, just that I have seen Ross going deep and being wide open on several occasions in the last two games and Allar either runs or checks down. I think we are at the point where defenses cram the mid and underneath routes because they know Allar won’t throw it deep. Regardless, as pointed out on the tv broadcast, Allar needs to throw the ball as soon as those cuts you are referring to are made. He doesn’t though. He doesn’t trust his eyes and waits too long. He is in his own head. I am ok with Grunk getting playing time at this point. I thought Allar turned a corner last year at USC, but I don’t think that is the case.

 

[KingLando]

I’m not saying you are wrong, just that I have seen Ross going deep and being wide open on several occasions in the last two games and Allar either runs or checks down. I think we are at the point where defenses cram the mid and underneath routes because they know Allar won’t throw it deep. Regardless, as pointed out on the tv broadcast, Allar needs to throw the ball as soon as those cuts you are referring to are made. He doesn’t though. He doesn’t trust his eyes and waits too long. He is in his own head. I am ok with Grunk getting playing time at this point. I thought Allar turned a corner last year at USC, but I don’t think that is the case.

Lol at all of this

 

[cjrugger]

I’m not saying you are wrong, just that I have seen Ross going deep and being wide open on several occasions in the last two games and Allar either runs or checks down. I think we are at the point where defenses cram the mid and underneath routes because they know Allar won’t throw it deep. Regardless, as pointed out on the tv broadcast, Allar needs to throw the ball as soon as those cuts you are referring to are made. He doesn’t though. He doesn’t trust his eyes and waits too long. He is in his own head. I am ok with Grunk getting playing time at this point. I thought Allar turned a corner last year at USC, but I don’t think that is the case.

Gary Danielson is a moron. He implied Tony Rojas quit on the team this week and wasn’t actually injured.

There was a replay of Ross coming open on the ball that hit Hudson in the chest, that he dropped of course. But the ball was already on the way when the safety that was covering Ross broke off his coverage to play the pass to Hudson. But Gary is too dumb to grasp that.

 

[KingLando]

Gary Danielson is a moron. He implied Tony Rojas quit on the team this week and wasn’t actually injured.

There was a replay of Ross coming open on the ball that hit Hudson in the chest, that he dropped of course. But the ball was already on the way when the safety that was covering Ross broke off his coverage to play the pass to Hudson. But Gary is too dumb to grasp that.

Correct...well said
This whole "X was wide open deep" only occurs because of the decision already made. It's not that he was going go he open...its that he wasn't going to be so Drew had to improvise.

 

[LB99]

Gary Danielson is a moron. He implied Tony Rojas quit on the team this week and wasn’t actually injured.

There was a replay of Ross coming open on the ball that hit Hudson in the chest, that he dropped of course. But the ball was already on the way when the safety that was covering Ross broke off his coverage to play the pass to Hudson. But Gary is too dumb to grasp that.

That was one, yes, there was a similar play against Oregon.

 

[Erial_Lion]

One thing I really don't get is the number of plays we run to the boundary side. And the number of times we'll flood the boundary with 3 receivers that appear to be the primary reads. I'm not an offensive genius, but it's one of the flaws that I've noticed the past few weeks, both in our running and passing games. Singleton especially had the most success when we'd get him out in space, and seems that we underutilize the field side.

 

[cjrugger]

That was one, yes, there was a similar play against Oregon.

Ok cool. The WRs and scheme still suck

 

[LB99]

Ok cool. The WRs and scheme still suck

PSU must have dumbed them down then because they were all really productive at their previous schools.

 

[Erial_Lion]

PSU must have dumbed them down then because they were all really productive at their previous schools.

While true for Ross and Pena, Hudson is the one guy that's putting up better numbers this season (and really was like the 4th option at USC).

 

[rudedude]

It’s AK’s scheme that is all bs. Trickeration and too cutesy. I see too many receivers in the same zone many times. At least Clifford let it fly every once in a while, Drew is reluctant to do it and teams have figured out the “scheme”. AK will be gone and another friggin offensive system will have to be re-established.

 

[BostonNit]

When I started reading this thread I was thinking to myself, I remember a pretty good college QB named Hagans... I wonder if he's related to him.

Turns out it *is* him.

So our biggest position deficiency is being coached by a guy who played a little WR in a slash role, but who was never a full time receiver.

I did hear however that he sleeps at a Holiday Inn on the nights before games.

 

[LB99]

When I started reading this thread I was thinking to myself, I remember a pretty good college QB named Hagans... I wonder if he's related to him.

Turns out it *is* him.

So our biggest position deficiency is being coached by a guy who played a little WR in a slash role, but who was never a full time receiver.

I did hear however that he sleeps at a Holiday Inn on the nights before games.

This isn’t uncommon at all. Terry Smith was a WR. He coaches DBs. Al Golden was a TE. He is a DC. There are many many examples of this.

 

[psu0408]

If Franklin is brought back for 2026, there will be some firings made to appease the fanbase - Trautwein, Hagans, maybe AK. Bottom line is the Franklin's scheme is not WR friendly. How is it that there are no designed plays for Devonte Ross or Trebor Pena, other than jet sweeps? No WR screens unless Singleton is lined up in the slot/trips. No quick throws to the sideline. Nothing where Allar gets the ball out quickly.

 

[BostonNit]

True, but the results in this case seem to speak for themselves. There will always be exceptions where guys are successful coaching positions they didn't play. This does not appear to be one of them.

This isn’t uncommon at all. Terry Smith was a WR. He coaches DBs. Al Golden was a TE. He is a DC. There are many many examples of this.

 

[Georgia Peach]

Since the offense was coming at me in the stadium on Saturday, I spent a lot of the 2nd & 4th quarters watching the receivers in patterns and there wasn't much good to look at. A couple of times, Hudson got manhandled by a CB and couldn't even get off contact, let alone get any separation. There was also at least one time where I saw a WR break open but instead of cutting to even more open space for a potential big shot, they cut to their pattern to the sidelines, right into where an underneath CB was lurking. That's probably a product of scheme. But the only time I saw guys open were tight ends over the middle or that little drag middle screen they ran to Pena at the beginning of the 4th quarter. But there needs to be a lot of self-examination as to why someone like KLS went somewhere else and got an NFL contract and how Wallace is thriving at Ole Miss while guys that thrived elsewhere come here and are just as pedestrian as the ones who left.

Wallace is averaging the same amount of receptions per game at Miss he had his last year at PSU.

 

[olelion]

What if I told you that this coach had receivers in 2023 who couldn't get open, couldn't beat man coverage, didn't run hard and didn't fight for the ball? Then what if I told you his next year he would have different receivers and the exact same problem? Then, what if I told you he would blow up the room, go out and get 3 brand new receivers, and ACTUALLY BE WORSE than his first two years?

Does he have incriminating pictures of Franklin with hookers and blow? Does he have video clips of Kraft stealing steaks at Walmart? Why is this guy still coaching?

It's the guy at the top. He hires, he fires, he recruits. There has never been staff
continuity in this program under Franklin. Think about that

 

[Texas Lion]

It hurts me way down in dark places to say this.....but is it possible Corey Geiger was possibly right and we should just throw it deep sometimes to open other stuff up? Do other teams know JF won't go deep so they play press and clog the short routes until the rush can get home?

 

[bdgan]

The best player was Kaytron Allen and he isn’t being utilized enough.

Allen averages 7 ypc and he wasn't in the game at the failed drives late in the half and late in the game when we needed 2 yds.

 

[Bwifan]

I haven't looked at things enough to determine what the issue is but WR has been an issue for a long time at PSU. Whether its recruiting the right talent, developing talent, qb issues, scheme issues or all of the above if Franklin is still coaching this team at the end of the season there is no way Hagans should be coaching on this team. OSU turns out WR's like a factory for the NFL. Other schools do as well. There is zero reason why PSU cannot do the same.

*** Which brings me to a point that Hartline the longtime WR coach at OSU who is now also OC should be considered for the next HC at PSU. Guy can flatout recruit and develop players. Now is calling the offensive plays at OSU which gives him more experience. Knows all the high school coaches for recruiting, to me he would be somone that should be high on PSU's list.

 

[Knickslions69]

Too much focus is on Allar and the offense. They only had ball 20 minutes and he played well overall. This loss is all on the defense who got pushed around by a team that only scored 10 and 14 against New Mexico and Northwestern.