Hagans IS STILL THE PROBLEM

CDLionFL

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One thing I really don't get is the number of plays we run to the boundary side. And the number of times we'll flood the boundary with 3 receivers that appear to be the primary reads. I'm not an offensive genius, but it's one of the flaws that I've noticed the past few weeks, both in our running and passing games. Singleton especially had the most success when we'd get him out in space, and seems that we underutilize the field side.
A deep cross or slant or post would be great every once in a while. Only balls that go over the middle are to a tight end. It adds to my theory that Franklin is very much a 'play not to lose' coach when overseeing the offense.
 

Bwifan

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Too much focus is on Allar and the offense. They only had ball 20 minutes and he played well overall. This loss is all on the defense who got pushed around by a team that only scored 10 and 14 against New Mexico and Northwestern.
To be fair here the OP was about the WR coach not the defense hence why this topic/threads are based off the WR and offense. Bunch of defense posts and I agree with you, the defense couldn't catch a cold let alone UCLA's qb saturday.
 

MacNit

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Maybe they could splurge a little and hire a legitimate QB coach? It was one of my biggest pet peeves in the late Paterno years also. No quality QB coaching.
Late Paterno years include a 2-star QB who was 2-time 1st team All-Big10 - including a league Offensive MVP. Who coached that QB?
 

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If Franklin is brought back for 2026, there will be some firings made to appease the fanbase - Trautwein, Hagans, maybe AK. Bottom line is the Franklin's scheme is not WR friendly. How is it that there are no designed plays for Devonte Ross or Trebor Pena, other than jet sweeps? No WR screens unless Singleton is lined up in the slot/trips. No quick throws to the sideline. Nothing where Allar gets the ball out quickly.
No one will be appeased by scapegoating coordinators. It’s time to move on at the top.
 
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LB99

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Late Paterno years include a 2-star QB who was 2-time 1st team All-Big10 - including a league Offensive MVP. Who coached that QB?
The same guy that coached and recruited Matt Seneca, Anthony Morelli, Paul Jones, Rob Bolden, and turnover prone McGloin. Remember when Morelli attempted to make an NFL roster and the scouting report from an NFL coach was that he was “acutely undercoached and unprepared to be a professional QB in the NFL” Ouch. In the meantime, they missed out on top level QBs like Henne, Pryor, and Chris Simms because of Jay. I’ll give him credit for MRob and Clark.
 
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LaJollaCreek

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The same guy that coached Matt Seneca, Anthony Morelli, Paul Jones, Rob Bolden, and turnover prone McGloin. Remember when Morelli attempted to make an NFL roster and the scouting report from an NFL coach was that he was “acutely undercoached and unprepared to be a professional QB in the NFL” Ouch. In the meantime, they missed out on top level QBs like Henne, Pryor, and Chris Simms because of Jay.
His best QB was a FB in the NFL and that sounds like a joke but it's not.
 
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LB99

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His best QB was a FB in the NFL and that sounds like a joke but it's not.
MRob was a great college QB. Unfortunately, he only got one year of starting experience at PSU because the rest of the team was so poorly constructed that he was forced to play multiple positions. That was Jay’s blunder also as he was the recruiting coordinator that constructed those underperforming teams from 2000-2004.
 
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LaJollaCreek

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MRob was a great college QB. Unfortunately, he one got one year of starting experience at PSU because the rest of the team was so poorly constructed that he was forced to play multiple positions. That was Jay’s blunder also as he was the recruiting coordinator that constructed those underperforming teams from 2000-2004.
Wasn't a knock on M Rob at all, but just furthering the point about Jay's "greatness".
 
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KingLando

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Phenomenal? I guess I need to stop watching? When will you start watching? Understanding?
You do need to stop or learn the game
Every breakdown disagrees including guys like Klatt who said he was our best player. It's weird people that don't know the sport try to discuss it.
 

MacNit

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The same guy that coached and recruited Matt Seneca, Anthony Morelli, Paul Jones, Rob Bolden, and turnover prone McGloin. Remember when Morelli attempted to make an NFL roster and the scouting report from an NFL coach was that he was “acutely undercoached and unprepared to be a professional QB in the NFL” Ouch. In the meantime, they missed out on top level QBs like Henne, Pryor, and Chris Simms because of Jay. I’ll give him credit for MRob and Clark.
Fair enough.

Allar will not be 1st Team All Big10 let alone Offensive MVP. And neither has any other Franklin QB.

So yet again, Franklin has a way to go to get up to Jay’s level (who is no Vince Lombardi) in the area of QB development.
 

MacNit

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MRob was a great college QB. Unfortunately, he only got one year of starting experience at PSU because the rest of the team was so poorly constructed that he was forced to play multiple positions. That was Jay’s blunder also as he was the recruiting coordinator that constructed those underperforming teams from 2000-2004.
So even in JVP’s dark years, QB development is superior to Franklin.
 
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MacNit

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You do need to stop or learn the game
Every breakdown disagrees including guys like Klatt who said he was our best player. It's weird people that don't know the sport try to discuss it.
I win’t lose any sleep listening to Klatt. How about NFL Scouts? They all agree that allar is a bust and plummeting. How about former PSU players? Coaches? Ask them. But hey - what what they know compared to the great Lando?!

I agree with you…yet you persist in trying to discuss football, sports, competition - you know little or nothing in any of those environments.
 

KingLando

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I win’t lose any sleep listening to Klatt. How about NFL Scouts? They all agree that allar is a bust and plummeting. How about former PSU players? Coaches? Ask them. But hey - what what they know compared to the great Lando?!

I agree with you…yet you persist in trying to discuss football, sports, competition - you know little or nothing in any of those environments.
Who are these scouts?
You keep claiming you know players but you clearly don't. You always claim I dont get banned because of who I know then you think I don't know anything. Stay consistent
 

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Don’t forget to subtract the punt block for 6.
To clarify, our efforts led to 35 points. That includes a blocked punt. At the moment of the blocked punt I thought we were finding a way to win. ST plays like that often can flip a game, as college football is all about momentum. But Franklin is finding new ways to lose, in this case his ego refused to put a qb spy on Nico in the 1st half and his brain malfunctioned to not recognize the obvious safety that was coming at the end of the game. If we rush the punter there we get at least another play on offense. I am still infuriated by that entire game. It is the worst example of football malpractice I’ve ever seen at any level of football in my life.
 
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To clarify, our efforts led to 35 points. That includes a blocked punt. At the moment of the blocked punt I thought we were finding a way to win. ST plays like that often can flip a game, as college football is all about momentum. But Franklin is finding new ways to lose, in this case his ego refused to put a qb spy on Nico in the 1st half and his brain malfunctioned to not recognize the obvious safety that was coming at the end of the game. If we rush the punter there we get at least another play on offense. I am still infuriated by that entire game. It is the worst example of football malpractice I’ve ever seen at any level of football in my life.
We did have a spy on him on most of the long runs (and on the others, it seemed that we were in zone defenses that had several eyes on the QB, but guys made bad reads)...unfortunately, he outran the spy each time and/or the spy bit on a fake (or, in the case of DDS, made a terrible play call on who to use as the spy).
 

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Wasn't a knock on M Rob at all, but just furthering the point about Jay's "greatness".

Ahh, in this polarizing season, a point we can all agree on.
Jay Paterno should never have been given ANY responsibility for ANYTHING related to the team. Infamous for his work as the "passing offense coordinator", a huge blunder all by itself, his days as recruiting coordinator laid the foundation for the Dark Years.
 
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Who are these scouts?
You keep claiming you know players but you clearly don't. You always claim I dont get banned because of who I know then you think I don't know anything. Stay consistent
that would be these comments
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that would be these comments
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Didn't the poster say that "all NFL scouts agree that Allar is a bust". Do most NFL teams seek out a bust in round 3?

It's certainly underwhelming when you consider the hopes for him being a first rounder, but teams don't waste Day 2 picks on guys that they consider "busts". They obviously see something there that they'd hope to get out of him.
 
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m.knox

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PSU must have dumbed them down then because they were all really productive at their previous schools.

I do get a kick out of the idea that coaching and scheming keep a decent player down. Now if they are unmotivated to complete their assignments, that's another thing. And quite frankly, the idea of unmotivated play is reasonable.
 

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I win’t lose any sleep listening to Klatt. How about NFL Scouts? They all agree that allar is a bust and plummeting. How about former PSU players? Coaches? Ask them. But hey - what what they know compared to the great Lando?!

I agree with you…yet you persist in trying to discuss football, sports, competition - you know little or nothing in any of those environments.

It's KING lando... lol.....
 

NoSoup4U

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Nameless scouts...are they the same that said Sheduer would go in the first?
"They all agree" was the quote which always tells you it's false. Scouts never all agree. Some thought Leaf was better than Peyton.
---Their statement "they all agree" is the 6 or 7 they canvassed not 32 pro scouts --- reading comprehension can be your friend try it sometime--- bottom line Cochise you asked someone if there are scouts out there saying Drew is no better than a 3rd rounder and here it is.. its obviously not all scouts but some are saying it and they get paid to do their job. and the telling quote is the lack of processing development that Drew is showing
 
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KingLando

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---Their statement "they all agree" is the 6 or 7 they canvassed not 32 pro scouts --- reading comprehension can be your friend try it sometime--- bottom line Cochise you asked someone if there are scouts out there saying Drew is no better than a 3rd rounder and here it is.. its obviously not all scouts but some are saying it and they get paid to do their job. and the telling quote is the lack of processing development that Drew is showing
There's WAY more than 32 pro scouts--there's 100 and 100s
Bottom line--6 scouts mean absolutely nothing if they're even giving honest info to the media
It shows absolutely nothing at all--which you should comprehend but alas here we are
You have 2 accounts?
 

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I do get a kick out of the idea that coaching and scheming keep a decent player down. Now if they are unmotivated to complete their assignments, that's another thing. And quite frankly, the idea of unmotivated play is reasonable.
Jake Gyllenhaal Reaction GIF
 

MacNit

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Who are these scouts?
You keep claiming you know players but you clearly don't. You always claim I dont get banned because of who I know then you think I don't know anything. Stay consistent
I know this might be a challenge for you, but read. NFL Scout feedback on Allar is everywhere and it is not good. And if you actually spoke to the Letterman, you would know not only are you wrong, but very wrong.

I have no idea what your last two sentences refer. I will chock that up the aversion to reading.

Care to make any more predictions about PSU beating everyone but O$U? Or that Allar is playing well?

Find another hobby, Skippy, you are embarrassing yourself.
 
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Does Moo Moo have any eligibility left? I would gladly take him and the turf monster back at this point, and Irvin Charles!
 

PSUHarry

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If Franklin is brought back for 2026, there will be some firings made to appease the fanbase - Trautwein, Hagans, maybe AK. Bottom line is the Franklin's scheme is not WR friendly. How is it that there are no designed plays for Devonte Ross or Trebor Pena, other than jet sweeps? No WR screens unless Singleton is lined up in the slot/trips. No quick throws to the sideline. Nothing where Allar gets the ball out quickly.
So you think there is a possibility that Franklin is going to get fired?