Harvard to cancel tuition for families

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As long as we are discussing hypothetical situations:

Little Johnny is a precocious and talented student, which is determined at an early age (before high school). Mom and Dad, combined, make $250K. Dad makes $150K and mom makes $100K. They decide to get a divorce, dad gets a run down apartment to have a separate address and every month he sends an alimony and child support payment to mom.

LIttle Johnny gets accepted to Harvard and does not have to pay tuition - because mom has sole custody and since she makes less than $200K, even with alimony and child support, a fee which mom and dad have agreed to, and so Little Johnny qualifies.

But, here is the kicker - they are only legally divorced, in reality they are still a family and have all the same committments as a family. Dad actually still lives in the house, and they still take family vacations, etc. After Little Johnny graduates, lo and behold, mom and dad "reconcile" and get back together.

Feasible?
Absolutely, except for the "mom and dad "reconcile" and get back together" part. ;)
 

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As long as we are discussing hypothetical situations:

Little Johnny is a precocious and talented student, which is determined at an early age (before high school). Mom and Dad, combined, make $250K. Dad makes $150K and mom makes $100K. They decide to get a divorce, dad gets a run down apartment to have a separate address and every month he sends an alimony and child support payment to mom.

LIttle Johnny gets accepted to Harvard and does not have to pay tuition - because mom has sole custody and since she makes less than $200K, even with alimony and child support, a fee which mom and dad have agreed to, and so Little Johnny qualifies.

But, here is the kicker - they are only legally divorced, in reality they are still a family and have all the same committments as a family. Dad actually still lives in the house, and they still take family vacations, etc. After Little Johnny graduates, lo and behold, mom and dad "reconcile" and get back together.

Feasible?

Most likely they take both parents' incomes into account, regardless. So, not feasible.
 
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As long as we are discussing hypothetical situations:

Little Johnny is a precocious and talented student, which is determined at an early age (before high school). Mom and Dad, combined, make $250K. Dad makes $150K and mom makes $100K. They decide to get a divorce, dad gets a run down apartment to have a separate address and every month he sends an alimony and child support payment to mom.

LIttle Johnny gets accepted to Harvard and does not have to pay tuition - because mom has sole custody and since she makes less than $200K, even with alimony and child support, a fee which mom and dad have agreed to, and so Little Johnny qualifies.

But, here is the kicker - they are only legally divorced, in reality they are still a family and have all the same committments as a family. Dad actually still lives in the house, and they still take family vacations, etc. After Little Johnny graduates, lo and behold, mom and dad "reconcile" and get back together.

Feasible?
Yes this happens.
 

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making $200k or less per year. It will cancel tuition room and board for families making less than $100k per year.

Harvard admits about 3.5% of its applicants each year.

Have at it folks.

when ever an article like this comes up I always advocate for the Georgia Hope scholarship program. Have to live in Georgia and go last 2 years high school at a Georgia high school (can be private) and then based on grades and test score get 80 or 100% tuition covered. It's not means based, its merit based. Paid for by state lottery. Both my kids had Zell Miller (100%) and graduated debt free, one from UGA on from GT. When my dad who was a Penn State grad found out about it he stated agitating state representatives to use PA lottery money for that instead of paying for "elder services". So if you got kids who are younger than 11 grade, move to Georgia
 

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when ever an article like this comes up I always advocate for the Georgia Hope scholarship program. Have to live in Georgia and go last 2 years high school at a Georgia high school (can be private) and then based on grades and test score get 80 or 100% tuition covered. It's not means based, its merit based. Paid for by state lottery. Both my kids had Zell Miller (100%) and graduated debt free, one from UGA on from GT. When my dad who was a Penn State grad found out about it he stated agitating state representatives to use PA lottery money for that instead of paying for "elder services". So if you got kids who are younger than 11 grade, move to Georgia
So a couple things

1. The tuition break is need based but the kid still has to make the grades to be accepted into Harvard. They accept 3.5% of those that apply. That should be merit enough

2. In general, Georgia's school system is horrible.
 

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So a couple things

1. The tuition break is need based but the kid still has to make the grades to be accepted into Harvard. They accept 3.5% of those that apply. That should be merit enough

2. In general, Georgia's school system is horrible.
maybe but Georgia Tech for free is definitely not horrible...........
 
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As long as we are discussing hypothetical situations:

Little Johnny is a precocious and talented student, which is determined at an early age (before high school). Mom and Dad, combined, make $250K. Dad makes $150K and mom makes $100K. They decide to get a divorce, dad gets a run down apartment to have a separate address and every month he sends an alimony and child support payment to mom.

LIttle Johnny gets accepted to Harvard and does not have to pay tuition - because mom has sole custody and since she makes less than $200K, even with alimony and child support, a fee which mom and dad have agreed to, and so Little Johnny qualifies.

But, here is the kicker - they are only legally divorced, in reality they are still a family and have all the same committments as a family. Dad actually still lives in the house, and they still take family vacations, etc. After Little Johnny graduates, lo and behold, mom and dad "reconcile" and get back together.

Feasible?
Possibly is but I believe the CSS requires both parents to complete (unlike FAFSA where only the main parent supporting the child needs to) so it’s possible the number would still flag that kid as having too high a house hold income to qualify.

That being said, it’s not like aid goes to $0 at $200,001 income. The Ivies tend to give some financial assistance at even relatively high household income.
 

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when ever an article like this comes up I always advocate for the Georgia Hope scholarship program. Have to live in Georgia and go last 2 years high school at a Georgia high school (can be private) and then based on grades and test score get 80 or 100% tuition covered. It's not means based, its merit based. Paid for by state lottery. Both my kids had Zell Miller (100%) and graduated debt free, one from UGA on from GT. When my dad who was a Penn State grad found out about it he stated agitating state representatives to use PA lottery money for that instead of paying for "elder services". So if you got kids who are younger than 11 grade, move to Georgia

So, Georgia uses poor, desperate and dumb people (i.e. the lottery players) to fund comparatively smart people, many of whom are well off, going to a state school at a substantial discount?

Good job, Georgia.
 
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when ever an article like this comes up I always advocate for the Georgia Hope scholarship program. Have to live in Georgia and go last 2 years high school at a Georgia high school (can be private) and then based on grades and test score get 80 or 100% tuition covered. It's not means based, its merit based. Paid for by state lottery. Both my kids had Zell Miller (100%) and graduated debt free, one from UGA on from GT. When my dad who was a Penn State grad found out about it he stated agitating state representatives to use PA lottery money for that instead of paying for "elder services". So if you got kids who are younger than 11 grade, move to Georgia
My Niece did this at UGA as well with the Hope and I believe Georgia is also in a reciprocal agreement with other neighboring states like TN where if you are from GA and go to TN they will give you in state tuition - PSU and PA in general do little if anything to help PA residents when it comes to college assistance.
 
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Possibly is but I believe the CSS requires both parents to complete (unlike FAFSA where only the main parent supporting the child needs to) so it’s possible the number would still flag that kid as having too high a house hold income to qualify.

That being said, it’s not like aid goes to $0 at $200,001 income. The Ivies tend to give some financial assistance at even relatively high household income.
Correct. Also, $200K isn't even "relatively high household income," depending on where you live. The backwoods of Mississippi have a much different COLA than NY/NJ/MA/CA cities and burbs. Sending 2 or 3 kids to an Ivy-priced college isn't really possible if you're paying full freight and making $210K in the Boston burbs, unless you have very specific life circumstances (a rich family funding you, etc.)
 

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My Niece did this at UGA as well with the Hope and I believe Georgia is also in a reciprocal agreement with other neighboring states like TN where if you are from GA and go to TN they will give you in state tuition - PSU and PA in general do little if anything to help PA residents when it comes to college assistance.


That is because the schools have to raise tuition for everyone who pays to cover the cost for everyone who does not.
 

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So, Georgia uses poor, desperate and dumb people (i.e. the lottery players) to fund comparatively smart people, many of whom are well off, going to a state school at a substantial discount?

Good job, Georgia.
smiling the whole time.........
 

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smiling the whole time.........
Moogy makes a good point. That lottery money would be better served to improve Georgia schools Right now, it appears that they are ranked #25. So, maybe better than I originally thought. But, moving that money to the Georgia school system would be able to vastly improve them.
 
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Moogy makes a good point. That lottery money would be better served to improve Georgia schools Right now, it appears that they are ranked #25. So, maybe better than I originally thought. But, moving that money to the Georgia school system would be able to vastly improve them.
BFF from hs lives in Milton, big school district good education
 

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My Niece did this at UGA as well with the Hope and I believe Georgia is also in a reciprocal agreement with other neighboring states like TN where if you are from GA and go to TN they will give you in state tuition - PSU and PA in general do little if anything to help PA residents when it comes to college assistance.

Hope is not a strategery.
 

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smiling the whole time.........
This is why states like Massachusetts will never have to worry about being bested by states like Georgia in anything important.

I'm all for supporting higher education ... in fact, I think state colleges/universities should be free (a BA/BS is equivalent to what a HS degree used to be) ... but having the poor fund the less-poor-to-well-off is freaking tragic.
 

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This is why states like Massachusetts will never have to worry about being bested by states like Georgia in anything important.

I'm all for supporting higher education ... in fact, I think state colleges/universities should be free (a BA/BS is equivalent to what a HS degree used to be) ... but having the poor fund the less-poor-to-well-off is freaking tragic.
Do you think if a BA/BS became free that MA/MS would be the new HS degree?
I often wonder if making education available to all and free (which seems to have a positive social value) has lessened its value.
 

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Do you think if a BA/BS became free that MA/MS would be the new HS degree?
I often wonder if making education available to all and free (which seems to have a positive social value) has lessened its value.

It would only make sense IMHO if in order to get the "free" education that a person would have to qualify by getting certain standardized test scores. Most places in Europe with free taxpayer education have significant testing that makes you eligible to pursue specific degrees.
 
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It would only make sense IMHO if in order to get the "free" education that a person would have to qualify by getting certain standardized test scores. Most places in Europe with free taxpayer education have significant testing that makes you eligible to pursue specific degrees.
That would make sense... but it doesn't seem to work that way for HS diplomas in the US. I am not sure if anyone that wants to graduate HS has any issue with getting a diploma. The schools are rated by graduation rates, drop the rigor and increase the rates.

And IMHO BA/BS rigor has also dropped significantly in the past 40 years.
 
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That‘s probably because they get a lot of trash applicants.

”2.2 GPA, 930 SAT. I‘m applying to Harvard for sh|ts and giggles. Gotta to be in it to win it.”
Nope. Valedictorians rejected.

Why?

Ended up sending my kid to Gettysburg where he was 10th in his graduating class.
 
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Nope. Valedictorians rejected.

Why?

Ended up sending my kid to Gettysburg where he was 10th in his graduating class.

Harvard gets a lot of applications from PA. It’s well known that a lesser-qualified applicant from Alaska has a better chance of getting in (not much lesser-qualified, but still). In other words, admission to Harvard from PA is extremely competitive.
 
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Harvard gets a lot of applications from PA. It’s well known that a lesser-qualified applicant from Alaska has a better chance of getting in (not much lesser-qualified, but still). In other words, admission to Harvard from PA is extremely competitive.
Geographic diversity box but are you loving frozen latte crunch in the morning?
 

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The above chart depicting acceptance rates for Med Schools for your respective GPA and MCAT score is scary.
82% Acceptance rate with a GPA over 3.8 and a 90 ish percentile score on MCAT. Over 300 acceptances with a GPA under 2.8. :unsure:
 
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