HBO's WestWorld

[Bill Cosby]

Does Westworld follow a book?

I always hesitate to read threads like this if peoples' "predictions" for the current are possibly them just having seen the show or read the book before. Like GoT.

 

[hendocol8]

Does Westworld follow a book?

I always hesitate to read threads like this if peoples' "predictions" for the current are possibly them just having seen the show or read the book before. Like GoT.

I don't think so. There was the movie in the 70's but I don't believe they pull storylines from it.

 

[UK_Is_Good]

Does Westworld follow a book?

I always hesitate to read threads like this if peoples' "predictions" for the current are possibly them just having seen the show or read the book before. Like GoT.

No. It's a reimagining of an old Michael Crichton film. Sort of like how the newer Battlestar Galactica was an unrelated, darker take on the previous series.

 

[UK_Dallas]

I think there could have been a book by Michael Crichton. The movie was based on his novel....I guess. But this series supposedly has 6 seasons already written. So I don't think anybody knows where it is going.

 

[UK_Is_Good]

I think there could have been a book by Michael Crichton. The movie was based on his novel....I guess.

Crichton wrote the screenplay and directed it himself. I think the screenplay was released as a book later.

But this series supposedly has 6 seasons already written. So I don't think anybody knows where it is going.

Hopefully the writers do.

 

[JohnBlue]

Something I saw over on the Main Board via reddit:

Is it possible ford has a split personality and is also Arnold? He is always talking about he and Arnold building the place but last night near the end he said something to the effect of "I built this place myself".

I don't know that someone could control it that good that it would never show itself. I thought there were some pictures of both of them together??? I'm in the camp that thinks what we are seeing is a robot.

 

[BlueRunner11]

I don't know that someone could control it that good that it would never show itself. I thought there were some pictures of both of them together??? I'm in the camp that thinks what we are seeing is a robot.

The picture Ford showed and claimed was him and Arnold was actually him and the host (actor) that plays his father in that little house. Make of that what you will. It's all fabricated imo

 

[TCPUKChamps]

Here's my best guess:

Spoiler: My best guess which is most likely wrong...

Half of the employees are hosts like Bernard is. They were real people back in the day who questioned Ford, who then directed the hosts to that area under the house where he would kill them and replace them with a host. I have no doubt in my mind that the host that is being created under that house will be Theresa.

Note his "they like to test me ever couple years or so but never actually do anything" comment.

 

[CatsnRoses]

Anthony Hopkins still has it. Electric performance.

 

[MacCard]

The picture Ford showed and claimed was him and Arnold was actually him and the host (actor) that plays his father in that little house. Make of that what you will. It's all fabricated imo

There's also a thought that you see that picture from Bernard's perspective, and that Bernard is in the picture as well. He just can't see himself in it.

 

[MWes11]

Bump. Anyone still watching this? If not, you need to either start or pick it back up.

 

[UK_Is_Good]

Bump. Anyone still watching this? If not, you need to either start or pick it back up.

Yes, but we decided to start a non-Sean thread to discuss.

 

[anthonys735]

Spoiler: Spoiler

I picked up on Bernard being one of the hosts pretty early on. That was fairly easy to see. Similar tragic back story that really didn't jive. Very too the point and it always seemed different when he was interviewing the others. Several times they were clothed. Didn't see Ford instructing him to kill Theresa but I think it's obvious Ford will create a Theresa replacement host to work for him in satisfying the board. Which opens up an entirely new dynamic to all this and the Arnold factor. Is Ford really Arnold or something like that. Still need to tie the Wyatt portion back in, where Elsie disappeared and of course Maeve.

Glad it's going to be back for a 2nd season.

 

[UK_Dallas]

Seems like Bernard being Arnold is too obvious at this point. We've all seen that before where they try to make you believe the obvious.

From another board:


The William timeline is where he finds out the maze exists. He then spends 30 years trying to figure out how to get to it. Think of it as a video game. It takes time to figure out how to beat each level so you can eventually get to the final level and beat the game. He spends 30 years trying various adventures, within the park, thinking that each one is going to lead him to the maze. He keeps striking out and gets progressively more frustrated. This is one of the reasons William is so sweet and innocent while the MIB is a cynical *******.

 

[MWes11]

Spoiler: Spoiler

I picked up on Bernard being one of the hosts pretty early on. That was fairly easy to see. Similar tragic back story that really didn't jive. Very too the point and it always seemed different when he was interviewing the others. Several times they were clothed. Didn't see Ford instructing him to kill Theresa but I think it's obvious Ford will create a Theresa replacement host to work for him in satisfying the board. Which opens up an entirely new dynamic to all this and the Arnold factor. Is Ford really Arnold or something like that. Still need to tie the Wyatt portion back in, where Elsie disappeared and of course Maeve.

Glad it's going to be back for a 2nd season.

Spoiler

I don't think Ford is Arnold. I think Ford created Bernard out of Arnold's likeness. Also, Bernard Lowe is an anagram for Arnold Weber. Not sure if that has been discussed or not.

 

[UK_Dallas]

@MWes11 - Here is the new thread....

 

[anthonys735]

Ah, that makes a ton of sense and another theory I was thinking about.

Spoiler: further

so Ford is going deep on this god complex. Wonder if he actually killed Arnold as well.

Also, Delores :flushed:

 

[MWes11]

@MWes11 - Here is the new thread....

Thanks.

 

[UK_Dallas]

Thanks.

Looks like they they've been combined. Though the mod that did that made a huge mistake keeping Sean's title.

 

[-LEK-]

Looks like they they've been combined. Though the mod that did that made a huge mistake keeping Sean's title.

Yea, probably, but your use of ellipses drives. It's 3 periods...

Also, preferred your thread.

 

[UK_Is_Good]

I watched last night's episode after the game. It was another really strong episode. Only two episodes left this season.

 

[BlueRunner11]

I watched last night's episode after the game. It was another really strong episode. Only two episodes left this season.

Yes, it was good. I'm thinking 2 timelines and William/MiB theory is almost a certainty now.

 

[anthonys735]

Not using that spoiler thing anymore. Don't read the thread if you're not up to date.


^I don't see that yet but... maybe. I was wrong about recreating Theresa. I suppose he also killed Elsie, which is a shame because I liked that character.

All I know is the next 2 are going to be :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

 

[UK_Is_Good]

Not using that spoiler thing anymore. Don't read the thread if you're not up to date.


^I don't see that yet but... maybe. I was wrong about recreating Theresa. I suppose he also killed Elsie, which is a shame because I liked that character.

All I know is the next 2 are going to be :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

I liked Elsie too.

 

[TCPUKChamps]

Ah, that makes a ton of sense and another theory I was thinking about.

Spoiler: further

so Ford is going deep on this god complex. Wonder if he actually killed Arnold as well.

Also, Delores :flushed:

Dolores Abernathy anagram for - Heart Obeys Arnold

:cool2:

 

[MacCard]

I think they'll recreate Elsie as a host - which is who they were making in the basement. They're saying that she's on vacation, so people will be expecting her back at some point.

 

[anthonys735]

I think they'll recreate Elsie as a host - which is who they were making in the basement. They're saying that she's on vacation, so people will be expecting her back at some point.

Good call. I hope so.

 

[JohnBlue]

Not talked about much but just exactly how does someone like MiB tap out of if the host start beating you up like they are doing to him now. Not supposed to be able to hurt a guest but he's been knocked out twice on this one mission.

Looks like the two mad scientist helping Maeve be all she can be must be host too. I don't know that you can have your throat slit, lose a gallon of blood then have a hot iron just melt you throat back together, but I could be wrong.

 

[UK_Is_Good]

Not talked about much but just exactly how does someone like MiB tap out of if the host start beating you up like they are doing to him now. Not supposed to be able to hurt a guest but he's been knocked out twice on this one mission.

I'm not quite sure how it works, but there's obviously some sort of monitoring of the guests going on. Like when the MiB escaped from the prison in the one episode, Stubbs had to approve a pyrotechnic effect first. I imagine the park surveillance listens for some sort of distress from the guests.

 

[BlueRunner11]

Not talked about much but just exactly how does someone like MiB tap out of if the host start beating you up like they are doing to him now. Not supposed to be able to hurt a guest but he's been knocked out twice on this one mission.

Looks like the two mad scientist helping Maeve be all she can be must be host too. I don't know that you can have your throat slit, lose a gallon of blood then have a hot iron just melt you throat back together, but I could be wrong.

I was thinking about this as well. My guess there is some type of killswitch/monitoring device that all guests have on them where they can tap out if they want. To discourage doing so, maybe guests are forced to leave the park not to return for that particular visit for a medical with the park taking a "all sales final" approach. With 40G's a day on the line, you'd be willing to take some punches I'd imagine.

Also, guests have to be aware of the risks for the various narratives before entering. As we know, there are family friendly areas and narratives within the park as well.

I believe the two scientists are hosts as well.

 

[JamesIII]

Not talked about much but just exactly how does someone like MiB tap out of if the host start beating you up like they are doing to him now. Not supposed to be able to hurt a guest but he's been knocked out twice on this one mission.

IIRC the Man in Black stated near the end of the episode the further you get into the maze, the more dire the consequences are. In his monologue he stated something around the lines how he couldn't be hurt on the outer parts of the maze.

"Everything. In Ford's game, even if I go to the outer edges you can't kill me. You can't even leave a lasting mark. But there's a deeper game here, Teddy: Arnold's game, and that game cuts deep."

 

[JohnBlue]

IIRC the Man in Black stated near the end of the episode the further you get into the maze, the more dire the consequences are. In his monologue he stated something around the lines how he couldn't be hurt on the outer parts of the maze.

"Everything. In Ford's game, even if I go to the outer edges you can't kill me. You can't even leave a lasting mark. But there's a deeper game here, Teddy: Arnold's game, and that game cuts deep."

Yea, but I think he's fos because this maze doesn't exist unless Ford writes into existence. Finding the maze is just another attraction at the park. You know if there were something bad there Ford wouldn't allow people to find it. Heck, he reprogrammed Teddy with a whole new story-line just to play part in MiB's journey.

 

[HymanKaplan_rivals48997]

The maze is a computer program that makes the hosts autonomous.

Or rather, it's a sequence of connections that do so.

On the control pad, a host's collective settings are expressed graphically, as a pattern, on top of a circle. I think the maze represents that, in graphical form. The backdoor so to speak.

 

[VernHatton52]

The host who replaced Clementine Pennyfeather is also the same girl from True Detective season 1 who tells Woody she wants it up the tailpipe.

 

[beltieboy_rivals376542]

I'm gonna be pissed if that man-dime Bernard is gone from the show.

 

[Midway Cat]

The guests can be injured while they're in the park, but the hosts can't do anything that would actually kill them. Obviously, the park closely monitors all of the guests, and that information becomes a part of each host's decision making when those kinds of situations arise.

It wouldn't be fun if there was absolutely no risk.

 

[BlueRunner11]

Def risk involved and even though the hosts in the park are not programmed to be able to kill, I'd like to think they can do so indirectly or some are finding ways around it.

The MIB would've technically been killed by a host even though it was through indirect measures if he hadn't grabbed that knife in time.

I guess that's what waivers are for.

 

[UK_Is_Good]

The MIB would've technically been killed by a host even though it was through indirect measures if he hadn't grabbed that knife in time.

The horses aren't real. There could've been some safety measure in place for the horse to back up and lower the rope if death was imminent.

 

[Midway Cat]

Def risk involved and even though the hosts in the park are not programmed to be able to kill, I'd like to think they can do so indirectly or some are finding ways around it.

The MIB would've technically been killed by a host even though it was through indirect measures if he hadn't grabbed that knife in time.

I guess that's what waivers are for.

I think that was an example of how the hosts are changing over time. They've learned that they can't kill humans directly, so they've come up with ways to do so indirectly that don't violate their programming.

 

[MWes11]

I am pretty sure the woman below (Angela) is one of the most sentient in the park. She was the host that showed William in to the park when he got off the train, she was there when Teddy was killing all of those people, and now she is part of Wyatt's group. But if William = Man In Black, you would think he would recognize her when she stabs teddy and tries to hang MIB with the horse and noose. Maybe MIB did say something during last episode, but I can't remember.