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MWes11 said:
I am pretty sure the woman below (Angela) is one of the most sentient in the park. She was the host that showed William in to the park when he got off the train, she was there when Teddy was killing all of those people, and now she is part of Wyatt's group. But if William = Man In Black, you would think he would recognize her when she stabs teddy and tries to hang MIB with the horse and noose. Maybe MIB did say something during last episode, but I can't remember.

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MiB did say something to the effect of "Wow, surprised to see you're still around. I guess Ford can't let a pretty face go..." Or something like that.
 
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why did ford have Delores shoot him?
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Ode to Arnold.

In the end he didn't want the directors to roll back the hosts. He gave WW to the hosts by creating an issue so big he hoped no one would mess with the place. Guessing Maeve, Delores and Bernard will run the place. But I've been wrong basically the whole time. Nolan is damn good.
 
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That moment when Delores sees the dress and gun and you realize what she's going to do was chilling.

I thought Maeve was going to have her Ex Machina ending, but she got drawn back in.

I have no idea where they'll go in season 2.

Also, just in case anyone missed it, there was an after credits scene.
 
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Ode to Arnold.

In the end he didn't want the directors to roll back the hosts. He gave WW to the hosts by creating an issue so big he hoped no one would mess with the place. Guessing Maeve, Delores and Bernard will run the place. But I've been wrong basically the whole time. Nolan is damn good.
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Spoiler alert.

I think for the host to achieve singularity they have to see their creator die to force them to start thinking for themselves. Arnold did this by having Delores killing him and Ford forced this on Bernard by seeing Delores kill him.
 
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I think Season 2 will be like the movie now, the hosts hunting humans which is what William/MIB always wanted.
 
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I think they just progress on different timelines.Hence, Maeve not quite there yet as she fell back to her cornerstone memory that she clearly knew was fake.

Samurai World :scream:

One thing I'm not found of is never knowing if someone is dead or not. Ford was creating something in that bunker.

The Armistice scenes. :boxing:
 
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-I don't think Maeve reverted at all. She knows that's not her daughter in any biological sense and it's not like someone was tinkering with her programming. I took it as a realization that seeing the world outside didn't really have much meaning to it aside from satisfying her own selfish desires, which is basically what she hated about the humans. Watching the mother and her daughter triggered some sense of conscious "humanity" (in the traditional sense of the word) in that she sensed purpose in going back and helping the girl.

-Armistice (or Istice, to steal from the Internet) was :fire::fire::fire:

-Elsie isn't dead. Can dig up a link if you want but they basically posted some sort of technology puzzle on the official website that someone way smarter than me figured out. Leads to a link which is of her attempting to make contact again. They didn't show her die. We only saw what Bernard thinks he saw, which was Ford manipulating him into thinking he had killed her.
 
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If Anthony Hopkins signs on for another year then he was creating a host in his likeness. So....either a host Ford was killed or the real Ford. Guess we will find out when they start filming.
 
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UKswimmer875 said:
-I don't think Maeve reverted at all. She knows that's not her daughter in any biological sense and it's not like someone was tinkering with her programming. I took it as a realization that seeing the world outside didn't really have much meaning to it aside from satisfying her own selfish desires, which is basically what she hated about the humans. Watching the mother and her daughter triggered some sense of conscious "humanity" (in the traditional sense of the word) in that she sensed purpose in going back and helping the girl.

-Armistice (or Istice, to steal from the Internet) was :fire::fire::fire:

-Elsie isn't dead. Can dig up a link if you want but they basically posted some sort of technology puzzle on the official website that someone way smarter than me figured out. Leads to a link which is of her attempting to make contact again. They didn't show her die. We only saw what Bernard thinks he saw, which was Ford manipulating him into thinking he had killed her.
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I think Maeve was just acting according to her loop with the escape and then the returning back again. Bernard stated her every move of the escape had been programmed in her. My guess is Ford used her as a security distraction and never had any intentions of her actually leaving the park.

I also don't think it's the last we see of Ford. I could totally see him having used a Ford bot for all the theatrics at his new narrative release. And from a shows success perspective, it seems suicide to kill off honestly the best actor who had 90% of the best scenes of the show thus far. I love the show but a Hopkins less show makes it very run of the mill and average at best.
 
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If Anthony Hopkins signs on for another year then he was creating a host in his likeness. So....either a host Ford was killed or the real Ford. Guess we will find out when they start filming.
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Had read him and Harris both originally signed 2 season contracts for what it's worth. I don't think it's the last we've seen of Dr Ford imo.
 
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Outside of William (who I think has a death wish) I don't see many people signing up to enter the park if the host can kill you. They're stronger, faster, and everything else as a machine compared to a human. There would have to be some kind of fail-safe in place.

I didn't see Charlotte get shot, she would have been my first target. I could see the Ford that got shot being a host too, very few people want to die any sooner than they have to.
 
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RE: Ford, remember they worked on multiple timelines this season so him being dead doesn't really mean he can't be a significant character in the 2nd season. Him making a host in his likeness to kill would really diminish the character of the show. IMO, at some point the characters have to be mortal. I'm thinking he released them to be free with his special programming, similar to the reveries from Arnold.

It'll be interesting to see if any of the humans made it out. Will Bernard and the host decide they need the humans to survive? If they did murder everyone how will they integrate humans back into the park because that will have to take place.

I also completely agree with the Maeve loop. When she got off the train everyone was frozen so all those real people were actually hosts. She was never leaving WW and was absolutely a distraction.
 
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I don't think Maeve was used as a distraction, I think that was how Delos was going to get the 'tech' out of the park. She was being used by Delos. Unless I've misunderstood your post and am stating the obvious.
 
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They tried to use Delores' dad but apparently Ford released all the retired hosts, hence the scene where Lee walks in to get her dad and the room full of retired hosts is empty. Ford was controlling Maeve the entire time. That was the main thing I took away. He was controlling everything little thing that was happening in that park and the finale was his masterpiece narrative.
 
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I tend to agree that for narrative purposes it's probably better off if Ford is actually dead... but Anthony Hopkins was so captivating that I still don't want to accept this could be the end of his character.
 
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anthonys735 said:
They tried to use Delores' dad but apparently Ford released all the retired hosts, hence the scene where Lee walks in to get her dad and the room full of retired hosts is empty. Ford was controlling Maeve the entire time. That was the main thing I took away. He was controlling everything little thing that was happening in that park and the finale was his masterpiece narrative.
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I took it at the end all hosts achieved consciousness. Maeve was programmed to leave but was able to make her own choice. Fords new narrative was to grant them choice and the new narrative is humans/the board vs hosts.

Of course this also achieves what the MIB wanted...for it to be indistinguishable from reality.
 
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There's a lot of other questions to be answered in season 2. Like the security guy that got attacked by the indians...what happened to him and why did they not seize to his command. What role does Bernard have. Who runs the park...or do the hosts attempt to escape...
 
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