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Which is why they need the PAC schools to clean it up. Nobody at the time of the 4 G% schools going to Big 12 that the B1G was going to take UCLA and USC. If they did then Houston and UCF would not be there.
Not true and you would know if you remotely followed anything other than fan forums. Cincinnati just played in the CFP. How close have the Mountaineers gotten to it? UCF is the largest university in a fast growing market and state. Houston is in another growing market. And then there is BYU...a school with a national brand based on being a Christian/Mormon institution and a national championship in its past.
Doesn't have anything to do with folding up. They just won't be what they once was. Just like the Big 12.
Eyeballs. Eyeballs.
Memphis is #51 DMA. Tuscon is #64.
Memphis is a new market and alternative to SEC games.
AZSt captures the AZ markets.
That Being said, I would take AZ, AZSt AND Memphis.
PAC won't fold. They will backfill with MWC schools. Boise, Fresno, SDSU, San Jose
It is true and you know it. Cincinnati would have never played in the CFP playing in a power 5 conference. They needed a loss by Oklahoma state just to back into it fool. The UCF brand is small in comparison to the Big 3 in Florida. Houston is nothing but a commuter school. Texas and Texas AM are far superior to them in Houston. The magic underwear cult at Byu doesn't have the pull you claim it has.
So ..... Why did the B1G take Maryland and Ruggers? It wasn't for their great athletic programs. Why did the SEC poach Mizzou? Because they were the best program in the B12?
It all comes down to expanding the reach of the conference and overall stability going forward. Ruggers -- NJ/Philly/NYC market. Maryland -- Balt/DC. Mizzou -- Missouri. All new markets and expansion for the new conferences. There were better programs that they could have pulled in, but they opted for new eyeballs in bigger markets that could pull in more viewers.
It all comes down to expanding the reach of the conference and overall stability going forward. Ruggers -- NJ/Philly/NYC market. Maryland -- Balt/DC. Mizzou -- Missouri. All new markets and expansion for the new conferences. There were better programs that they could have pulled in, but they opted for new eyeballs in bigger markets that could pull in more viewers.
Would you prefer the Big 12 to be at 8 only? They needed 4 schools to kick start and Houston, UCF, Cincinnati (the only team that beat ND last year) and BYU were the top 4 teams available for conference growth on an immediate basis.
Decision to stay at 8 would have pushed B12 down to G5 status. Like any of the 4 new teams or not, they were the 4 best available.
So Basically the old Big East and less of a conference than Sun Belt, MWC, ACC and the PAC.
Nobody said bigger than current contract but will be bigger offer than PAC panties.
Written by a POAC 12 reporter:
The Pac-12 has been denounced as a second-rate conference because of the terrible leadership of former commissioner Larry Scott. And he was bad at his job. His poor decision making helped get the conference in its current predicament.
The Big 12 most recently was paid around $38 million to its member schools. The conference will certainly be helped by the additions of BYU, Houston, Cincinnati, and UCF but it still won’t come close to offsetting the upcoming loss of Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC. The Big 12 is also at a slight disadvantage because the current deal doesn’t end until 2025 which is a year after the Pac-12.
But an executive like Yormark probably doesn’t view that as a disadvantage because he will be able to operate knowing what the Pac-12 is making which will aid his ability to leverage his league’s value against theirs.
A wounded duck does not equal a dead duck.
I think you just like to argue more than you do replying.
I’m not arguing to argue, but it really doesn’t matter IF the Little 12 gets a slightly bigger contract than the PAC, as national relevance for both won’t be there. The B1G and the SEC will be the only ones comprising the highest level. Sad but unfortunately true.
Who gives a ****? I worry about WVU only and do not prefer them in an 8 team Big 12 falling back to 8 million a year and filing bankruptcy.
That’s the premise here, WVU’s survival, and the Big12 is eventually going to sink, maybe not now, maybe after another conference, but nevertheless down it goes.
But I would highly doubt that would go down to 8 million also.
Tylerite. Anti Christian. Anti WVU. Anti female. Anti Big12. Anti bathing. Tylerite. Backwoods. Bigot.
The big 12 should have waited to see what transpired before adding any more teams. If you wanted some sort of Big 12, Pac 12 collaboration it would have had a better chance of happening if the big 12 hadn't taken on this G5 dead weight. Cincinnati's team last year was not the norm it was a rare exception which never would have happened had they played in a power 5 conference. Oklahoma State also beat Notre Dame.
The Pac 12 still has Oregon, Washington and Stanford more valuable members than anything the Big 12 contains. Yormark won't be at the poker table holding a royal flush just a bunch of junk cards.
Summary: Taking on the G5 teams was the right move at the time and going forward.
1) We took the best expansion options off the table. PAC 12 has **** right now to chose from.
2) It increased our footprint and finally gave us a regional team (Cincinnati) to play against
1) We took the best expansion options off the table. PAC 12 has **** right now to chose from.
2) It increased our footprint and finally gave us a regional team (Cincinnati) to play against
It wasn’t the four best G5, and none of them the PAC would take. Ok maybe Houston, but that would be a stretch.
You smell funny when you talk out your liberal ***. How's Biden doing now?
If the PAC stays together they will raid the MWC. There are some good choices there. San Diego state and UNLV should have happened yesterday. Good markets and Las Vegas has big potential. Also Boise State is more than solid in football. Then you can take the rest of Cali with Fresno and San Jose st. Then perhaps Hawaii or even air. Force
You're spot on. Will emerge a stronger conference than Big 12 unless 12 moves quickly to gobble up USF and Memohis in the East and SDSU and either UNLV or Colorado St.
Today with so many people who have cut the cable, Rutgers and Maryland would not be as attractive as they were back then.
Not true. Cable subscribers are turning to streaming services from...cable companies...to stream same content.
The pac 12 inviting 2 more teams is probably the most likely scenario at this time. I can't see how it would be any worse than what the big 12 would have.