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Baseless statement on a baseless assumption? Your hatred is so deep, you're doing everything you can to make it look like what Trump repeated was made on a baseless assumption.
"Some viruses, such as coronavirus, have an external membrane outside the shell. The membrane is relatively sensitive to heat."
Anyway, damn Trump for trying to keep people calm. He should be trying to scare the hell out of everyone...[eyeroll]
Check your hate.
I'm not sure where in this post I took issue with anythng Trump said about the virus. In fact I'm pretty damn sure I said I thought this (the stock market) was an over reaction?
so, he was right in quoting what the experts had stated? what if, and this is a big what if, but what if, Obama would have said something like this? Would your balls be in an uproar, or would you have simply gotten down on your knees, and offered him a knob job?
There are lots of viruses in the Corona family to at least make assumptions. While this one is different, it is still a known entity.
He was talking about April weather heat. But do try to keep strawmanning this into something else.
Nope. Cornavirus family runs the gamut pathogenically. It's like saying all herpesviruses are the same when the only thing they really have in common is latency and no true vertical (germinal) transmission.
Then why don't you read your own clues...Some researchers said the heat will kill it and Trump merely repeated it.
Wrong. A new study was just released relating it to SARS. This is not a new strain we know nothing about. It might be worse than SARS but it has similarities to other known viruses.
Don’t let TDS cloud your professional judgment by doubling down on what he said. It was a political statement by a layperson. Nothing more and nothing less.
You would think that with all of the lies he says daily you would not have to try to make this an issue.
It is a novel virus....
Background
CDC is responding to an outbreak of respiratory disease caused by a novel (new) coronavirus that was first detected in Wuhan City, Hubei Province, China and which has now been detected in 32 locations internationally, including cases in the United States. The virus has been named “SARS-CoV-2” and the disease it causes has been named “coronavirus disease 2019” (abbreviated “COVID-19”).
On January 30, 2020, the International Health Regulations Emergency Committee of the World Health Organization declared the outbreak a “public health emergency of international concernexternal icon” (PHEIC). On January 31, 2020, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex M. Azar II declared a public health emergency (PHE) for the United States to aid the nation’s healthcare community in responding to COVID-19.....
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/summary.html
Only 80 % pretty sure that's the point he is trying to make. You are correct that this is novel and there is no record of it in humans before. Any professional opinions on where it came from? Please don't say FT Dedrick or Dugway.
There's a "Dugway" in a lot of countries. China has several. I was just curious if he thinks Trump released it from ours.
What he said was...
"A new study was just released relating it to SARS. This is not a new strain we know nothing about...."
At only 80% homology , this is not only a novel virus, it's really not very similar to SARS and this is important. Good viral epidemic modelling relies on many things; understanding replication characteristics, target tissue of infection in host, route of transmission, are some of the big ones. And we are just learning about them now. At 80% homology, there's no way any epidemiologist would be able to rely on SARS as a model template unless they are comfortable with a huge error.
It’s a very unique place.
Ever hear about the bird suicide out there?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.de...s-of-bird-crash-land-at-dugway-proving-ground
Or the sheep?
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...n-debate-chemical-weapons-cold-war-180968717/
Side note: I had an office that used there for about 2.5 years when I was bouncing between there and Mojave.
Remember this?
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...27135/cdc-investigates-live-anthrax-shipments
https://www.armytimes.com/news/your...failures-at-army-lab-led-to-anthrax-mistakes/
Egregious safety failures at Army lab led to anthrax mistakes
I wasn't pointing any fingers just making the point we aren't testing fertilizer there, and China has the same capabilities with same chance of human error. That's about as far as I want to discuss about what is stored and tested there. You know the rest of the story as Paul Harvey would say.
http://www.canindia.com/new-coronavirus-similiar-to-2002-sars-outbreak-study/
https://www.thehealthsite.com/news/...s-similar-to-2002-sars-outbreak-study-725126/
https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...ent-from-human-SARS-MERS-CoV-study-found.aspx
Or do you want me to have the chair of the UofL Micro department to mansplain this to you...
Point being, this is in the same family as other strains that we have dealt with in the past...I have posted 3 articles that support this, you have posted a cut and paste from CNN or something worse.
It's new but 80 % homology sounds pretty similar to me.
ho·mol·o·gy
/hōˈmäləjē,həˈmäləjē/
noun
BIOLOGY•CHEMISTRY
- the state of having the same or similar relation, relative position, or structure.
"many proteins show homology across their whole length"
Nice reply. It may very well be similar. How similar in terms of actual impact we’ll see.
Genome is only 30k nucleotides, and each conserved gene should be 95-99% homologous. Interior sequences will vary but not that much.
That has been my point all along. You started this by making fun of Trump and trying to make him sound illiterate...which he is when it comes to this stuff (like 99% if all politicians) but all he did was reiterate what his experts told him.
https://thehill.com/changing-americ...5-the-coronaviruss-genetic-code-is-80-percent
The coronavirus's genetic code is 80 percent similar to SARS
The coronavirus's genetic code is 80 percent similar to SARS
Still too early to say this will end when it warms in April. All the research has pointed out molecular tendencies where we can guess some pathogenic characteristics. But until we have a better handle on true host response, route of spread, etc this is just a marginal guess. He may have listened to someone but I seriously doubt an ‘expert’ volunteered anything like that.