High School handlers????

MC63

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This drove me nuts:

I usher at a mass at a Catholic church in Lake County. One of my fellow ushers is the dad of a baseball player on a local public high school.

According to my friend, a nearby high school (not known for athletic success) has a pitcher (bound for a huge prominent program) who has handlers. His high school coach must get their permission before he can pitch. Seriously. My friend says that club teams are taking over high school baseball and soccer programs and HS teams will be hard to find in ten years ... perhaps sooner.

Do you boys have any insights, here?
 

LakeCtyNewt

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Know that of whom you speak. He's only a junior and is a projected top 40 pick in the MLB draft after his senior year. I agree that the whole handlers thing is reduculous but this kid is special - not many HS juniors that top out at 95 on a fastball and has a slider and curve that is major league nasty.
 

mc140

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- Arguably the fastest girl in the state of Illinois this year did not run due to disagreements with her club/high school coaches.

- Most of the better soccer players haven't played high school ball in over 20 years.

-To talk to a lot of the best high school basketball players handlers must be "taken care of" before you can talk to them. Allegedly.
 

GMAN81

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Know that of whom you speak. He's only a junior and is a projected top 40 pick in the MLB draft after his senior year. I agree that the whole handlers thing is reduculous but this kid is special - not many HS juniors that top out at 95 on a fastball and has a slider and curve that is major league nasty.
Newt:
I think a lot of us saw this coming years ago. My son played travel baseball 12 years ago with a kid who ended up being the number one pick of the Red Sox in 2005. His HS team made it to the State Finals that year. I don't know remember if he even pitched in the tournament or not but I was told the Red Sox scout who was to sign him discouraged his pitching in anymore HS games as the draft was happening right about then.

It's all about money. Having a good FB, slider and curve is one thing. Being a projected first round or high second round pick is another...especially first round.

I knew a kid who threw 96 as a junior in HS. He had played football until spring of that junior year. The next fall he did not go out for football. The football coach told him not to. Too much to lose. He was the second pick of the draft that year. Know what his bonus was? I believe it was $80,000. We are talking huge money now...millions.
 

SiuCubFan8

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Newt:

I knew a kid who threw 96 as a junior in HS. He had played football until spring of that junior year. The next fall he did not go out for football. The football coach told him not to. Too much to lose. He was the second pick of the draft that year. Know what his bonus was? I believe it was $80,000. We are talking huge money now...millions.
In 2016, the Reds 2nd overall pick, have 7.7 million bonus allotment in the 1st round.
 

falconfish

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Newt:

I knew a kid who threw 96 as a junior in HS. He had played football until spring of that junior year. The next fall he did not go out for football. The football coach told him not to. Too much to lose. He was the second pick of the draft that year. Know what his bonus was? I believe it was $80,000. We are talking huge money now...millions.


"I had a friend was a big baseball player
Back in high school
He could throw that speed ball by you
Make you look like a fool boy

Saw him the other night at this roadside bar
I was walking in, he was walking out
We went back inside sat down had a few drinks
But all he kept talking about was

Glory days, well they'll pass you by
Glory days, in the wink of a young girl's eye
Glory days, glory days"
 

GMAN81

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"I had a friend was a big baseball player
Back in high school
He could throw that speed ball by you
Make you look like a fool boy

Saw him the other night at this roadside bar
I was walking in, he was walking out
We went back inside sat down had a few drinks
But all he kept talking about was

Glory days, well they'll pass you by
Glory days, in the wink of a young girl's eye
Glory days, glory days"
Not sure what you mean here. But those "glory days" of high school blew his *** right into the major leagues, a 14 year career, several million dollars and a 20 game winner. He didn't have to go inside some bar and tell people how good he used to be in high school. But speaking of glory days. I have always told people it's much better to be a "has-been" than to be a "never was."
 

ClownBaby

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I will be in the minority here but the handlers are 100% right when dealing with the high school baseball coach. Off the top of my head I can think off 2 quality pitchers with pro potenial who had their careers ruined by high school coaches throwing them every other day.

Kerry Wood the weekend after he was the Cubs number 1 pick pitched a double header and threw 150 pitches so his team could advance in the playoffs, does any one really believe that coach had the kids best interest in mind?
 

mc140

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I will be in the minority here but the handlers are 100% right when dealing with the high school baseball coach. Off the top of my head I can think off 2 quality pitchers with pro potenial who had their careers ruined by high school coaches throwing them every other day.

Kerry Wood the weekend after he was the Cubs number 1 pick pitched a double header and threw 150 pitches so his team could advance in the playoffs, does any one really believe that coach had the kids best interest in mind?

The abuse these kids take on average is much worse in travel.
 

ClownBaby

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The abuse these kids take on average is much worse in travel.

I 100% agree with that statement, my point is that sadly you sometimes need a parent or handler to speak up on behalf of these kids because to many coaches will just use the kids.
 

Bwm57

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The abuse these kids take on average is much worse in travel.
MC, I'm not so sure I agree with that statement.
I think the parents feel they have more input in the travel situation and are less afraid to talk to the coach.
Seems to me like more HS coaches have a no contact with the parents attitude.
I'm just speaking in general terms, I know there are good and bad in both arenas.
 
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GMAN81

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I am going to defend the majority of HS coaches here. Travel ball is FAR more abusive to the body than HS ball and it isn't even close. BUT much of the blame for the abuse is on the parents. My experience of this as a parent was having two sons who played HS ball..the older one went on to pitch in college. They both played travel ball. The older son's team was a higher profile team that played at least 70+ games each summer after the HS season. They also played summer ball for their HS teams as well. This was a very good travel team with two of the boys eventually going on to play MLB baseball and a few others who signed pro contracts.

My older son pitched and played a few different positions on that team. As far as caring about the well being of the player I wouldn't give you a nickel for any of his travel coaches except one. All they cared about was winning tournaments that didn't mean squat. The fact is, all of the players who played pro and college ball from this team.. which was pretty much all of them, were discovered on their HS teams. So the travel ball line of being scouted and high profile tournaments was a bunch of BS. But still, I blame parents of those boys too.

Don't get me wrong, my son got better on that team because of the competition he played against. But when it came to qualifying tournaments I saw pitchers pitch on a Friday and then again on a Sunday. (not my son) They might have a 10 inning limit on pitchers for the tourney but that could be 150 pitches in 48 hours in two different outings. It was not unheard of for the team to play eight games in one week end. They had a lot of players but a lot of them got hurt from abuse. There were sore arms. I once had to go to the dugout to tell the coach to take my son out of a game he was pitching in a tournament because he had reached his pitch limit. Not many of the dads would do that. They just let it go in hopes of getting their "money's worth" of participation and one kid hurt his arm after throwing 135 pitches in a 7 inning game...insane. He couldn't even play the rest of the tournament. In my opinion that was the dad's fault too for not stepping in. Don't forget, many of these games were being played in some brutal hot and humid weather too.

Something that isn't mentioned here is the abuse college pitchers take too because a ton of college coaches also care only about winning. Far more than HS coaches, especially if the kid is getting scholarship money. If he is getting money he is going on that mound, period. In general I don't think HS coaches are nearly as bad as the others I mentioned.

Finally, as far as parent input goes...you can approach ANY coach about your son. It all depends on how you do it. If you are civil, respectful and ask questions without appearing to question their motives you'll get respect back and you'll get honesty. It also helps to know something about the game and to not be a parent who is "learning as his son goes along." But if you are an a-hole, (and I have seen MANY parents act this way) disrespectful and questioning their motives..if you're one of the parents who is overly loud and constantly makes an *** out of himself or herself in the bleachers and yells at the coaches from the bleachers you can expect them to get defensive when you approach them. Honestly, I always sat down one of the lines by myself or with my wife...parents were the reason for this.

Sorry this is so long
 
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